InobfaalizeeTCM zerox was the best player I've ever seen
If i had to choose, it is him
This tells me you are as old as I am...But I agree.
Everyone is missing out on fojji though, I think he only played swedens national team for 2 cups and played with the swedish team Kompaniet for the first season of ETF2L, but he was destroying everyone. Don't know if his performance would still keep up with the much higher level of players in general, but back then no one came close.
At the time there were very very good players, and I honestly think they could have matched b4nny, who is obviously the most succesfull player due to all his accomplishments, if they were still playing. Can think of a lot of people: skinnie, dorkan, rybot, agron, ronny, punpu, mafu, exfane...
[quote=Ino][quote=bfaalizee]TCM zerox was the best player I've ever seen
If i had to choose, it is him[/quote]
This tells me you are as old as I am...But I agree.
Everyone is missing out on fojji though, I think he only played swedens national team for 2 cups and played with the swedish team Kompaniet for the first season of ETF2L, but he was destroying everyone. Don't know if his performance would still keep up with the much higher level of players in general, but back then no one came close.[/quote]
At the time there were very very good players, and I honestly think they could have matched b4nny, who is obviously the most succesfull player due to all his accomplishments, if they were still playing. Can think of a lot of people: skinnie, dorkan, rybot, agron, ronny, punpu, mafu, exfane...
mge mike. probably best DM is TF2. good at all classes (if he was playing scout this season he would chalange stark for scout of the season) also has good gamesence. During i46 mge mike beat tlr consistently in mge by 20:5. he also won best player and most overrated player is the same season during ETF2L award show
mge mike. probably best DM is TF2. good at all classes (if he was playing scout this season he would chalange stark for scout of the season) also has good gamesence. During i46 mge mike beat tlr consistently in mge by 20:5. he also won best player and most overrated player is the same season during ETF2L award show
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easily dolphin rider by a landslide
easily dolphin rider by a landslide
_Neo_i think termo was a very underrated demoman he put up huge numbers in i52 and did a lot of work for his team
"Whichever one you like Termo is right at the top, he wasn’t overly healed, he wasn’t baiting his team, he didn’t pad his damage stats, he was just good." from gentleman's jon article i52 by the numbers.
everyone seemed to agree that he was the best demo in i52 so how is that underrated?
[quote=_Neo_]i think termo was a very underrated demoman he put up huge numbers in i52 and did a lot of work for his team[/quote]
"Whichever one you like Termo is right at the top, he wasn’t overly healed, he wasn’t baiting his team, he didn’t pad his damage stats, he was just good." from gentleman's jon article i52 by the numbers.
everyone seemed to agree that he was the best demo in i52 so how is that underrated?
Phoenix21_Neo_i think termo was a very underrated demoman he put up huge numbers in i52 and did a lot of work for his team
"Whichever one you like Termo is right at the top, he wasn’t overly healed, he wasn’t baiting his team, he didn’t pad his damage stats, he was just good." from gentleman's jon article i52 by the numbers.
everyone seemed to agree that he was the best demo in i52 so how is that underrated?
i think he's saying that because he wasnt mentioned very much here, especially in comparison to players like kaidus/duwatna/numlocked
termo is a very strong demoman, and is really dominant over other demos in australia at the moment, he top damages pretty much every game recently (gets a bit more tanked/ubered though nowadays)
[quote=Phoenix21][quote=_Neo_]i think termo was a very underrated demoman he put up huge numbers in i52 and did a lot of work for his team[/quote]
"Whichever one you like Termo is right at the top, he wasn’t overly healed, he wasn’t baiting his team, he didn’t pad his damage stats, he was just good." from gentleman's jon article i52 by the numbers.
everyone seemed to agree that he was the best demo in i52 so how is that underrated?[/quote]
i think he's saying that because he wasnt mentioned very much here, especially in comparison to players like kaidus/duwatna/numlocked
termo is a very strong demoman, and is really dominant over other demos in australia at the moment, he top damages pretty much every game recently (gets a bit more tanked/ubered though nowadays)
alle is the best demoman in the world
alle is the best demoman in the world
Fragga.
https://www.youtube.com/user/FraggaTF2
Since I have been watching, B4nny, Clockwork, Stark and Mike and maybe even Kaidus standout.
But it's difficult because how do we quantify best? B4nny is top level on 3 classes, though you can debate whether he is best at any one (demo quite possibly). Clockwork and Mike are pretty much one class specialists (although CW could snipe brilliantly). Better than B4nny probably on those classes, but he can play three classes. Stark is imo at least comparable to CW on scout and not much worse than top soldiers on soldier. If he's on soldier he can contest Mike in a match, from what I have seen. And Kaidus was great and seemed to be capable of even more than he delivered at LAN, albeit rarely on the best team. Once again though, a specialist. I have omitted any medics, which seems unfair. I'd probably pick Shade, but I watched more NA TF2 than EU when I started watching a few years back.
So essentially, is a specialist better than a top level generalist? Not a clue.
Since I have been watching, B4nny, Clockwork, Stark and Mike and maybe even Kaidus standout.
But it's difficult because how do we quantify best? B4nny is top level on 3 classes, though you can debate whether he is best at any one (demo quite possibly). Clockwork and Mike are pretty much one class specialists (although CW could snipe brilliantly). Better than B4nny probably on those classes, but he can play three classes. Stark is imo at least comparable to CW on scout and not much worse than top soldiers on soldier. If he's on soldier he can contest Mike in a match, from what I have seen. And Kaidus was great and seemed to be capable of even more than he delivered at LAN, albeit rarely on the best team. Once again though, a specialist. I have omitted any medics, which seems unfair. I'd probably pick Shade, but I watched more NA TF2 than EU when I started watching a few years back.
So essentially, is a specialist better than a top level generalist? Not a clue.
b4nny is the best all rounder but i wouldnt say he is really the best at any individual class. Nobody else that i know of can play as many classes at the level that he does. I am FAR from a b4nny fanboy but i feel he has earned that title.
b4nny is the best all rounder but i wouldnt say he is really the best at any individual class. Nobody else that i know of can play as many classes at the level that he does. I am FAR from a b4nny fanboy but i feel he has earned that title.
AdebisiSince I have been watching, B4nny, Clockwork, Stark and Mike and maybe even Kaidus standout.
But it's difficult because how do we quantify best? B4nny is top level on 3 classes, though you can debate whether he is best at any one (demo quite possibly). Clockwork and Mike are pretty much one class specialists (although CW could snipe brilliantly). Better than B4nny probably on those classes, but he can play three classes. Stark is imo at least comparable to CW on scout and not much worse than top soldiers on soldier. If he's on soldier he can contest Mike in a match, from what I have seen. And Kaidus was great and seemed to be capable of even more than he delivered at LAN, albeit rarely on the best team. Once again though, a specialist. I have omitted any medics, which seems unfair. I'd probably pick Shade, but I watched more NA TF2 than EU when I started watching a few years back.
So essentially, is a specialist better than a top level generalist? Not a clue.
What? Mike can play scout or demo at toplevel lol (demo better then scout tho)
[quote=Adebisi]Since I have been watching, B4nny, Clockwork, Stark and Mike and maybe even Kaidus standout.
But it's difficult because how do we quantify best? B4nny is top level on 3 classes, though you can debate whether he is best at any one (demo quite possibly). Clockwork and Mike are pretty much one class specialists (although CW could snipe brilliantly). Better than B4nny probably on those classes, but he can play three classes. Stark is imo at least comparable to CW on scout and not much worse than top soldiers on soldier. If he's on soldier he can contest Mike in a match, from what I have seen. And Kaidus was great and seemed to be capable of even more than he delivered at LAN, albeit rarely on the best team. Once again though, a specialist. I have omitted any medics, which seems unfair. I'd probably pick Shade, but I watched more NA TF2 than EU when I started watching a few years back.
So essentially, is a specialist better than a top level generalist? Not a clue.[/quote]
What? Mike can play scout or demo at toplevel lol (demo better then scout tho)
DamnEasyAdebisiSince I have been watching, B4nny, Clockwork, Stark and Mike and maybe even Kaidus standout.
But it's difficult because how do we quantify best? B4nny is top level on 3 classes, though you can debate whether he is best at any one (demo quite possibly). Clockwork and Mike are pretty much one class specialists (although CW could snipe brilliantly). Better than B4nny probably on those classes, but he can play three classes. Stark is imo at least comparable to CW on scout and not much worse than top soldiers on soldier. If he's on soldier he can contest Mike in a match, from what I have seen. And Kaidus was great and seemed to be capable of even more than he delivered at LAN, albeit rarely on the best team. Once again though, a specialist. I have omitted any medics, which seems unfair. I'd probably pick Shade, but I watched more NA TF2 than EU when I started watching a few years back.
So essentially, is a specialist better than a top level generalist? Not a clue.
What? Mike can play scout or demo at toplevel lol (demo better then scout tho)
When I say top, I mean like comparable to these players I am mentioning.
I haven't really seen Mike play much of those classes tbf.
[quote=DamnEasy][quote=Adebisi]Since I have been watching, B4nny, Clockwork, Stark and Mike and maybe even Kaidus standout.
But it's difficult because how do we quantify best? B4nny is top level on 3 classes, though you can debate whether he is best at any one (demo quite possibly). Clockwork and Mike are pretty much one class specialists (although CW could snipe brilliantly). Better than B4nny probably on those classes, but he can play three classes. Stark is imo at least comparable to CW on scout and not much worse than top soldiers on soldier. If he's on soldier he can contest Mike in a match, from what I have seen. And Kaidus was great and seemed to be capable of even more than he delivered at LAN, albeit rarely on the best team. Once again though, a specialist. I have omitted any medics, which seems unfair. I'd probably pick Shade, but I watched more NA TF2 than EU when I started watching a few years back.
So essentially, is a specialist better than a top level generalist? Not a clue.[/quote]
What? Mike can play scout or demo at toplevel lol (demo better then scout tho)[/quote]
When I say top, I mean like comparable to these players I am mentioning.
I haven't really seen Mike play much of those classes tbf.
AdebisiWhen I say top, I mean like comparable to these players I am mentioning.
I haven't really seen Mike play much of those classes tbf.
He can
[quote=Adebisi]
When I say top, I mean like comparable to these players I am mentioning.
I haven't really seen Mike play much of those classes tbf.[/quote]
He can
DamnEasyAdebisiWhen I say top, I mean like comparable to these players I am mentioning.
I haven't really seen Mike play much of those classes tbf.
He can
If you say so.
[quote=DamnEasy][quote=Adebisi]
When I say top, I mean like comparable to these players I am mentioning.
I haven't really seen Mike play much of those classes tbf.[/quote]
He can[/quote]
If you say so.
frenzyxsteveeeeeeeeeeeeeee
alle might be the best demo in the world, but not once s23 rolls around #20believe
[quote=frenzyx]steveeeeeeeeeeeeeee[/quote]
alle might be the best demo in the world, but not once s23 rolls around #20believe
AdebisiWhen I say top, I mean like comparable to these players I am mentioning.
I haven't really seen Mike play much of those classes tbf.
mike played demo for ayogurl in season 16 (?) and had outrageous dpm
[quote=Adebisi]
When I say top, I mean like comparable to these players I am mentioning.
I haven't really seen Mike play much of those classes tbf.[/quote]
mike played demo for ayogurl in season 16 (?) and had outrageous dpm
EoNAdebisiWhen I say top, I mean like comparable to these players I am mentioning.
I haven't really seen Mike play much of those classes tbf.
mike played demo for ayogurl in season 16 (?) and had outrageous dpm
it triggers me ppl saying others are more versatile just cause i never had a good opportunity to play demo in a top team @ lan
[quote=EoN][quote=Adebisi]
When I say top, I mean like comparable to these players I am mentioning.
I haven't really seen Mike play much of those classes tbf.[/quote]
mike played demo for ayogurl in season 16 (?) and had outrageous dpm[/quote]
it triggers me ppl saying others are more versatile just cause i never had a good opportunity to play demo in a top team @ lan
diamond0wnerquad.
[quote=diamond0wner]quad.[/quote]
Hard to match old/new na/eu players up. But I'm sure strakie would aslo be up there with mike, cw, b4nny ...
Hard to match old/new na/eu players up. But I'm sure strakie would aslo be up there with mike, cw, b4nny ...
MGEMikeEoNAdebisiWhen I say top, I mean like comparable to these players I am mentioning.
I haven't really seen Mike play much of those classes tbf.
mike played demo for ayogurl in season 16 (?) and had outrageous dpm
it triggers me ppl saying others are more versatile just cause i never had a good opportunity to play demo in a top team @ lan
I think that is kind of the point though. You never have won stuff as demo, even if you are hella good. This is not supposed to diminish from your demo skill, but I think what Adebiski said applies to the discussion, how he has never seen you play other classes.
[quote=MGEMike][quote=EoN][quote=Adebisi]
When I say top, I mean like comparable to these players I am mentioning.
I haven't really seen Mike play much of those classes tbf.[/quote]
mike played demo for ayogurl in season 16 (?) and had outrageous dpm[/quote]
it triggers me ppl saying others are more versatile just cause i never had a good opportunity to play demo in a top team @ lan[/quote]
I think that is kind of the point though. You never have won stuff as demo, even if you are hella good. This is not supposed to diminish from your demo skill, but I think what Adebiski said applies to the discussion, how he has never seen you play other classes.
MGEMikeEoNAdebisiWhen I say top, I mean like comparable to these players I am mentioning.
I haven't really seen Mike play much of those classes tbf.
mike played demo for ayogurl in season 16 (?) and had outrageous dpm
it triggers me ppl saying others are more versatile just cause i never had a good opportunity to play demo in a top team @ lan
I bet you haven't even played pyro for a top team at LAN!
[quote=MGEMike][quote=EoN][quote=Adebisi]
When I say top, I mean like comparable to these players I am mentioning.
I haven't really seen Mike play much of those classes tbf.[/quote]
mike played demo for ayogurl in season 16 (?) and had outrageous dpm[/quote]
it triggers me ppl saying others are more versatile just cause i never had a good opportunity to play demo in a top team @ lan[/quote]
I bet you haven't even played pyro for a top team at LAN!
MGEMikeEoNAdebisiWhen I say top, I mean like comparable to these players I am mentioning.
I haven't really seen Mike play much of those classes tbf.
mike played demo for ayogurl in season 16 (?) and had outrageous dpm
it triggers me ppl saying others are more versatile just cause i never had a good opportunity to play demo in a top team @ lan
Then again, have you seen me play any class for a top team (or mediocre team,)?
Where's my fucking nomination?
edit: I'm joking ^^ and I have never really seen you play demo, so please remain untriggered. Or play demo next season to a very high standard and post on here every day to remind me im full of shit.
[quote=MGEMike][quote=EoN][quote=Adebisi]
When I say top, I mean like comparable to these players I am mentioning.
I haven't really seen Mike play much of those classes tbf.[/quote]
mike played demo for ayogurl in season 16 (?) and had outrageous dpm[/quote]
it triggers me ppl saying others are more versatile just cause i never had a good opportunity to play demo in a top team @ lan[/quote]
Then again, have you seen me play any class for a top team (or mediocre team,)?
Where's my fucking nomination?
edit: I'm joking ^^ and I have never really seen you play demo, so please remain untriggered. Or play demo next season to a very high standard and post on here every day to remind me im full of shit.
After i58 I think Stark has to be in the discussion.
It's always hard to pick the "best of all time" but for most people as long as you're in the discussion, it's an achievement in itself.
After i58 I think Stark has to be in the discussion.
It's always hard to pick the "best of all time" but for most people as long as you're in the discussion, it's an achievement in itself.
personally I'd put Mike and cw over b4nny because their skill level is just fucking off the charts. Stark is also in there somewhere too
personally I'd put Mike and cw over b4nny because their skill level is just fucking off the charts. Stark is also in there somewhere too