well the republicans have control of the house, senate, and presidency (not to mention scotus appointments) right?

no one to blame if things don't work out this time

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/8/1/courts_strike_down_voter_restriction_laws

I listen to experts when i go to the doctor or get my car fixed but its a bad idea when it comes to the future of my country?

it is only if you're getting your information from one biased source. It's perfectly fine to support one side or another, but taking all of your info from just a right/left source is when problems arise

Youre assuming i did that tho

So now California wants to secede from the US because Trump won, although there has been talk about this since Brexit back in June

http://www.yescalifornia.org/
http://www.ibtimes.com/what-calexit-california-considers-leaving-us-after-trump-win-2444019
http://mashable.com/2016/11/09/california-exit-trump/#tuC_4h1vnEqH
http://www.businessinsider.com/california-secession-calexit-2016-11

That ended well, the last time someone seceded from the us

Very poor report, D-

How many posts about moving to Canada by people who can't afford to do that did I miss?

https://twitter.com/ThatGuyTagg/status/796240346565013504
https://twitter.com/ThatGuyTagg/status/796256569721835520

are you talking about obama?

pretty sure this is the most ridiculous thing i've seen this year

and there were dudes fuckin' mcchickens this year

Yeah it's pretty out there, The biggest issue is that California has the sixth biggest economy in the world and has double the GSP/GDP of Texas and New York and three times as big as Florida.

Leaving would be an issue though, but what can you do when literally 70% of the state is democratic and popular vote doesn't matter here

i hate to say it, but this is simply california liberals upset by the outcome of the election

not only would this be the first time a state has seceded since 1861, but the rest of the world would condemn the act as it would fracture the already unstable us economy and throw the global markets into a tizzy with untold consequences, not to mention the "sovereign nation" would be literally connected to the us, so if anything
a secure border would be raised around california and in the worst case scenario, a complete trade embargo between california and any nations aiding it's removal from the us would be enacted

and let's not forget if california were to be removed, so would a lot of democratic house representation, making it even easier for heavily right-wing republicans to pass that kind of extreme legislature

To be fair, California and Florida (which, looking at how close it was, was swayed to Republican by Cuban Americans who basically vote Republican 100% of the time) are our two states actually getting raped due to climate change like in the present, so either has a pretty compelling case to GTFO of a country that just elected someone who thinks climate change is a Chinese hoax and is going to appoint David Breibart, one of the biggest climate change deniers around, to do the EPA transition. Either way they're pretty boned, succession or not.

Like, regardless of your stance on most issues, if Trump doesn't turn around on climate change (and Breibart on an EPA transition says he won't basically), we've basically just fucked Florida/California extremely bad. This is extra bad because we actually don't even have a plan currently for what we do when Florida starts going into the ocean, where those people go.

This isn't something we aren't going to see in our life times, it's already happening, they're already spending millions on a pump system to mitigate the current issues in several Florida areas due to excess flooding that is estimated to only buy them a couple decades of time. Like, by the time I'm 50 we're going to have a state that has parts out of it start going under water and just not habitable anymore very likely. California isn't much better off, with droughts/wildfires on top of sea level rise, but recent commissions say that ~82% of the native fish on the coast of it is going to be driven to extinction within our life times.

Like, even if you don't care about gender/race/sex issues or whatever and are more of just a pure nationalist, our actual country is essentially under attack by water rise that we've caused and we're not doing anything to lessen that.

e: also yes #559 this basically has no chance of happening, but it's disingenuous at best to say it's people mad just because they lost the election, as that implies that election doesn't directly affect their livelihood for the next decade or two due to how we're apparently going to tackle climate change (not at all). Every problem caused by climate change will get exacerbated in these states if we're just going full speed ahead and adding more natural gas sources and ignoring the Paris accords.

california threatening to secede is just dramatic overreaction, no serious attempt to secede will be made

you act as if global warming and rising water levels are suddenly an incredible issue

global warming has been an issue since the 1990s, and i'm fairly certain will continue to be an issue into the 2020s

as much as the consumer and every day citizen can cut down on his or her carbon footprint and keep the environment healthy, the big business corporations will continue to burn fossil fuels and churn out ozone obliterating emissions until serious sanctions, penalties, and fines are put in place to the point where those corporations are losing more money burning fossil fuels than they would spend making the switch to clean energy

and we just elected a congress and president that wants to make that easier for them btw

u really want pence as president?

Oh trust me, I don't think it will happen but this isn't a complete overreaction to Trump getting elected, this has been thrown out there since Brexit happened back in June. But at the same time you underestimate how crazy some of the people who live here are. There have already been massive protests on college campuses here and I don't even want to check Facebook or other social media to see what people are saying/feel about the election

"you act as if global warming and rising water levels are suddenly an incredible issue"

Going off of what DarkNecrid said, you're right they have been issues for a while. But look at Trump's stance on global warming. California has already been in a drought for a long time and not caring about global warming or doing anything to mitigate it isn't helping the problem and since the primary product produced here is food being in a drought isn't helpful.

u can kill him too

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They were always serious issues, the difference now is that before we were paying lip service to the issue and now we are abandoning the issue completely and are gonna undo the little bit of progress that we were making

Yes and Trump is against that entirely (I mean, natural gas is actually a key part of his "creating more jobs" part of his platform) and he wants to ignore the recent Paris Accords (note: he can't actually cancel it until 4 years pass, but he can just ignore it since there's no body to enforce us to actually do it. It relies on good will). He literally doesn't believe climate change actually exists at all, other than being a "hoax made by the Chinese" and thinks it is "nonsense". (note that this Chinese hoax thing makes little sense now considering China is doing much more than we are to curb climate change lol.)

The problems can still be curbed heavily with the reductions we were already current during under Obama propelled further forward, it's not like reductions aren't something we shouldn't strive towards just because they aren't instantly fixing the problem. It's not PERFECT by any means, but it's still a marked improvement we were continuing to head towards pretty decently compared to "NAH THIS IS A CONSPIRACY THEORY LOL".

Even if you look at just California, they are a major food producer for our country - as in there is many MANY products that we get 80-99% of our supply from California like walnuts, plums, carrots, and celery. Having almost all of their native fish species go extinct and having most of their land get ruined by the continuous droughts/wildfires is going to ruin our supply of a lot of shit. Severely curbing the effects of climate change there isn't as good as fixing it entirely, sure, but it also lets us keep food supply going for a much longer time until we actually do fix our effects on the climate (hopefully, it's a dream at this point).

Really, this is what pains me the most on this. Losing legal abortion is gonna be shitty and I feel for women who want to be safe while getting one, and while not every Trump support is a bigot it's disingenuous to imply there isn't a base there from rural areas that is (hell, I live in a rural area in the midwest that very much is and is all Trump/Pence) that have their views emboldened either and I hate that (I went to Subway today and there was people outside talking about how they hoped "someone would lynch the nigger in office so that Trump can save us now" (actual quote), but having parts of our nation actually getting fucked like RIGHT NOW and we're just going to wistfully ignore it for the next 4 years on the very off chance that China came up with it to give them a business advantage kills me.

we gon die

You know that "paying lip service" means we weren't doing anything, right?

Things I need to have to stay alive in a given month, and their prices without insurance:

• 5 Enlite Sensors: $473.00
  
• ~15mL Humalog: $435.00
  
• 10 Infusion sets: $137.00
  
• ~150 Contournext test strips @$1.04ea: $156
  
• 5 Minimed reserviors: $19.50
  
• Backup Lantus (if there is a mechanical problem with the insulin pump): $30/mo ($360 10mL vial, expires after a year)

Comes to a grand total of $1250 per month without insurance. I am "uninsurable." (denied coverage because of a "pre-existing condition"). I will lose my insurance when the Affordable care act is repealed. This would be in addition to outpatient clinical care I need because of my condition -- endocrinologist every 6 months, and eye exam yearly. This is to "square up" with an average healthy person my age -- my a1c, which is a measurement of diabetes management, is now at 6.7% -- pretty good. Non diabetic people have an a1c under 6%. Our president elect and his congress has vowed to repeal the affordable care act and replace it with an insurance exchange with health savings accounts. They will no doubt have this power with control over congress and the POTUS.

So what is the Republican answer for people like me? What is their answer? I see no plan from Republican lawmakers, DJT or Senators, other than "increased competition will drive prices down." That seems to be working, when the rising cost of insulin has outpaced inflation by 450%. I suppose I should just work harder eh? Pharma needs their pound of flesh.

This isn't some fucking ideological thing. It's reality for me. And I'm lucky -- I'm employed!

I'm one of the 0.3% of Americans living with type 1 diabetes (and 250,000 children, who cannot vote) who did not vote for this populist candidate. Perhaps I've forgotten our priorities though. HRC "seems corrupt."

And BTW -- I own a business.

That $1250 I'd spend in one month will pay for a one way (economy plus!) ticket to any country on earth with a healthcare system that makes sense.

laughing my ass off at these protests, just a bunch of women and cucks standing outside his towers shouting FUCK YOUUUU REEEEEEEE

I'm not even mad about this election. I'm pissed that a bunch of weaboos managed to meme a guy into the presidency, meme magic is a real thing and all this proves is that anything is possible if you can joke about it into existence.