so i can get everything ad block gives me now for free + some useless features for only $8.99 a month?

I just bought it

http://i.imgur.com/vZ4hO3L.png

Its more about supporting the streamers and less about turning the ads off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_nUQImbA2E

This is good, however reading the comments on the official announcement, lots of people don't really see too much value in these little perks to make it worth $9/month. I don't know if I'm going to buy it yet, but it seems kind of meh for the price point.

I don't see how this would benefit partnered streamers more than just watching a stream normally with ads. An 8.99 ad free service would seem to deter users from purchasing a $4.99 from a subscribe-able channel.

Its a scam

inb4 johnsfatcock serving up the beatdown

from the twitchtv twitter

https://twitter.com/TwitchTV/status/298449800137957376

Basically, considering most people adblock every twitch.tv channel, this will be like you're actually watching all of the ads when you're not (and actually giving ad-money to the streamers that are running commercials).

edit: i just went turbo

Just went Turbo, still plan on subscribing to the people I want to support.

It's worth it to give the streamers I was adblocking before extra money, and to support Twitch for giving me the chance to get all this free content, and supporting esports and etc.

I assume individual streams would get less out of this compared to directly buying a subscription?

I'd rather give a stream or two a $5 sub than spread it so thin that it's worth a few cents. Plus I think most TF2 player streams aren't set up to get ad revenue.

i'd rather give people that run ad revenue something, rather than nothing considering the only thing i've ever subscribed to is probably nasl season 1 and gsl

the variety of streams that i watch all have subscription services, and subscribing to just the ones that i personally watch regularly would easily add up to over $100 a month

literally paying $8.99 a month for pinker text

I LOVE IT

I assume the direct sub options give the streamer at least half of the money, and as far as I know ads give you like .001 cents per viewing.

So, providing that is true, I'd rather contribute to the TF.TV channel instead of buying a coffee once a year for a few TF2 players.

the $4.99 sub gets split down the middle, half to twitch half to the streamer

iirc it's $0.02 cents per ad view and you get paid out @ $100

Pretty pointless features not worth the price. You can argue it's great to support eSports (which it is), but in the end there's not much that I'm getting out of it. Playing video games isn't an affliction for streamers, they do it because they like it. There's no reason they should be considered charity cases.

Which is why it's optional and people can still use adblock. It's supporting twitch more than streamers, who has to pay for it's network bills and make a profit. If they increased ad revenue for people who bought the pass, it'd be nicer (ie $3 of the subscription goes to increase ad revenue, where for every time a person plays an ad they get 1 cent instead of .02 cents from that person. Or maybe divide by $3 and give it based off how much that person watches X Y and Z streams).

Also, I don't think anybody said anything about streamers being charity cases. It's literally a donation to support the person doing something that a viewer finds entertaining. I mean think of street performers, I'm pretty sure they love their art, whether it's music or drawing, but might need a few dollars. If a person feels compelled by the performance, they can donate. Otherwise they can just walk away or listen to the free show. Nothing wrong with it. Heck, I'm sure even paid comedians love what they do, but also need a paycheck.

#17

The problem is that street performers are more often hard-up for cash than somebody who has a good enough computer and internet connection to stream well or decently. (Why would anybody want to sit or stand all day in the elements unless they had no other way to make ends meet?) As well, there's more money to be made (if you're good) in street performances than there is from streaming eSports (if you exclude celebrities).

If a streamer is in need of funds, they need to put down the controller and go look for a commercial job or try to do something more sustainable before trying to feed a hobby. The only point where it becomes reasonably profitable is if you do something like WoodysGamertag, who puts out multiple edited quality videos a day, each receiving 200k+ views, in order to support his family while he stays at home to take care of his son who has a host of learning disabilities.

Giving streamers a little pocket change isn't really supporting them so much as it is rewarding them. If you pay their way to cross the pond, like Sal did, that would be supporting them.

As it is, the general streamer is not in need of money, so there's not really a reason that fans should provide them pocket change. Twitch Turbo is supposed to provide more incentive for consumers, but you're really not getting anything worth the cash, so why not keep your pocket change in your own pocket?

my friends street perform for fun lol
no point being talented if you don't use it

I personally do keep money to myself. If you want, think of it as a tip. Or are you one of those people who would never tip someone? I just think it's a nice gesture. Also, some people do stream for a living, because they know they can depend on their generous userbase. Kudos to them, because they found a way to make it work for them. I never said viewers SHOULD. They're suppose to be paid by ads except adblock screws up the model a bit.

#20

It's not comparable to a tip. A tip is given for a service specific to you. I get tips for my artwork because people appreciate what I do for them. I use my skills to make something for them, to their specifications, that I usually do not want to spend my time doing. That isn't really how streams work.

Which is why I said, excluding celebrities. The only way it is ever profitable is if you are very determined, very active, and more often than not, if you are very, very good. That is not most people.

Popular streams interact with people in chat though (and often have "subscriber only" things). And yes, it's not profitable except for the "celebrities". But they became celebrities from streaming. And the money actually makes a significant difference for these people since they aren't making the thousands to millions of dollars celebrities are making. And I still don't get what you're trying to argue, for some people paying money to not see ads and still help streamers a little is worth it for them. Low cost "conspicuous consumption" to help twitch and people who stream. It's not a worthless feature.

I understand that you won't be using the feature, but at least understand it's not "useless". It helps twitch make money, it barely helps streamers, and it gives you extra subscription features that are purely cosmetic, but people enjoy virtual cosmetics (see TF2). Overpriced, maybe, but not useless in the least.

EDIT: Also, everyone should know this but as of now the subscription doesn't actually significantly help streamers unless twitch explicitly states that they'll increase ad revenue from subscribed viewers. This is to support twitch.tv mainly.

Why not just directly donate to people and circumvent the twitch process if you don't want to do this?

I don't even know how to respond to this.

A few people actually have donation links on their twitch page. Going through the subscription process though gives you "twitch flair" and is pretty easy to do. Some people do both.

#22

Chat interaction is not comparable to a fully personalized, customized service.

They didn't stream exclusively, they did something else to support their ability to make time for hobbies.

The money makes a marginal difference if at all, unless you've got a large number of viewers consistently, which you have to work for, and which "donations" will not help you do. Source: I am below the poverty line, and what I make from commissions isn't enough to match minimum wage. I would rather have a job at Walmart, and do art to supplement that.

I didn't say it was worthless. I said it wasn't worth the pricetag. Especially since I can get rid of ads for free. That point is moot.

Oh you'd be surprised about some of the people who don't. Plenty of streamers live in their parents houses and stream exclusively, but didn't per say "do" something to make time. A few fringe cases do fully depend on streaming.

Also, I wouldn't say serving as a waiter is fully personalized and customizable (same with street performers, they just do their thing). That person is serving multiple people at once, and often giving the same generic service to people. Streaming usually doesn't have the personalization, but if they're catering to the general audience (doing things based off what the viewer wants), it's a fine response to donate. I mean a streamer can entertain a few thousand people for a couple of hours, yet a street performer or waiter is only going to serve tens to maybe a few hundred people in a short amount of time. I don't think it's illogical to believe that it's worth it for people to donate. It's mainly thanks to the number of people viewing that they can get a decent amount of money.

And meh, you said pointless, which is close enough to worthless. I agree it's not worth the price tag for me or you, but for other people it is.

this thread went from mediocre to fucking awful really fast

Turbo users count as an ad impression for partnered broadcasters. Having turbo users also leaves more ad inventory available for streamers. This means ad inventory/fill rates stay higher, and streamers make more money.

When you factor in the fact that a lot of regions have an advertising market that is still in it's infancy, this helps significantly for broadcasters with heavy viewership in those regions.

Those that think adblock is the bee's knees: it's very easy for a company to get rid of it entirely. We choose to allow users to have whatever experience they want. That's how we look at it. It's your choice, not ours. We're here to build a platform that allows people to succeed and grow their brand doing something they love.

PS: if you're a turbo user and subscribed to teamfortresstv on Twitch, you can use the emotes sitewide.

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