aimbottersarefagetsTINSFVI think you are unlikely to convince your audience that this is the case. They believe that Valve will modify the game into something they do not like, snarky comments or no.
Take clockwork.
He's busy playing a different game. I'm glad he hasn't left the community entirely and still checks in and gives his views. I often disagree with him, but he's smart and thinks things through.
[quote=aimbottersarefagets][quote=TINSFV]I think you are unlikely to convince your audience that this is the case. They believe that Valve will modify the game into something they do not like, snarky comments or no.[/quote]
Take clockwork.[/quote]
He's busy playing a different game. I'm glad he hasn't left the community entirely and still checks in and gives his views. I often disagree with him, but he's smart and thinks things through.
you're inferring that sending 1000 emails would have helped anyone else get in touch with them and it's conveniently being ignored that there were many attempts to create any sort of rapport from community members with valve and they failed
also, I am impartial to this entire process. I don't play this game and the 1 pug every 3 months I play will hardly be impacted by which weapons are allowed or disallowed. I'm arguing more with others' beliefs in mind, because it seems extremely dense to ignore what the majority of people want and resort to guilt-tripping to convince them otherwise. I find it extremely ironic that banny's alt (aimbotters) can mention democracy in any capacity and at the same time have the gall to pretend that the majority isn't in favor of any of these changes
there's also this unexplained dichotomy that no one seems to be addressing, where you either play TF2 for fun or for money. It seems doing things for money is looked down upon, but are you not essentially playing for money if you're playing for Valve's support? If not, wouldn't you just ban the items that make the game worse? It's unlikely that Valve will manage to release updates that make the game more competitive and more fun, given their track record and the number of employees even working on this game. So, if you're in support of whitelist changes, are you not sacrificing some of your enjoyment of the game to appease Valve for money?
anyway, I'd continue but my entitlement is starting to really burden my shoulders
you're inferring that sending 1000 emails would have helped anyone else get in touch with them and it's conveniently being ignored that there were many attempts to create any sort of rapport from community members with valve and they failed
also, I am impartial to this entire process. I don't play this game and the 1 pug every 3 months I play will hardly be impacted by which weapons are allowed or disallowed. I'm arguing more with others' beliefs in mind, because it seems extremely dense to ignore what the majority of people want and resort to guilt-tripping to convince them otherwise. I find it extremely ironic that banny's alt (aimbotters) can mention democracy in any capacity and at the same time have the gall to pretend that the majority isn't in favor of any of these changes
there's also this unexplained dichotomy that no one seems to be addressing, where you either play TF2 for fun or for money. It seems doing things for money is looked down upon, but are you not essentially playing for money if you're playing for Valve's support? If not, wouldn't you just ban the items that make the game worse? It's unlikely that Valve will manage to release updates that make the game more competitive and more fun, given their track record and the number of employees even working on this game. So, if you're in support of whitelist changes, are you not sacrificing some of your enjoyment of the game to appease Valve for money?
anyway, I'd continue but my entitlement is starting to really burden my shoulders
aimbottersarefagetsTINSFV Silencing discussion by the "you lose your right to complain" is counter-productive.
You just lose credibility. People can still hear your opinion, but they won't even consider it. When someone does not vote when they could have gone voted, I know to not even respect their political opinion. They willingly pulled themself out of the situation and now they're mad that they aren't part of it?
As you can see by all ur posts being heavily downvoted, people are not considering your opinion.
Thus, by your own logic, you lost your right to participate in this discussion. Please cease posting.
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[quote=TINSFV] Silencing discussion by the "you lose your right to complain" is counter-productive.[/quote]
You just lose credibility. People can still hear your opinion, but they won't even consider it. When someone does not vote when they could have gone voted, I know to not even respect their political opinion. They willingly pulled themself out of the situation and now they're mad that they aren't part of it?[/quote]
As you can see by all ur posts being heavily downvoted, people are not considering your opinion.
Thus, by your own logic, you lost your right to participate in this discussion. Please cease posting.
aimbottersarefagetsTINSFV Silencing discussion by the "you lose your right to complain" is counter-productive.
You just lose credibility. People can still hear your opinion, but they won't even consider it. When someone does not vote when they could have gone voted, I know to not even respect their political opinion. They willingly pulled themself out of the situation and now they're mad that they aren't part of it?
My participation in the voting process in no way affects the rightness or wrongness of my views. If my views are wrong, then prove it through reason and argument, not this "credibility."
If they're mad Trump was elected and didn't vote, sure, they have less to stand upon. The same does not apply to when, after Trump is elected, he makes a poor decision and people (who voted for or against, or abstained) criticize him for it. Anyone can criticize an individual's action. The legitimacy of the criticism will either stand up to scrutiny or it won't.
Edit: The voting analogy is also a silly one because America is a republic, not a democracy. There are many states (such as the one in which I live) that vote Republican overwhelmingly. There are some who supported Clinton who did not vote because they knew their votes would not matter nationally (the fact that the alternative was voting for Clinton didn't make them more eager [they still voted on local and state people]). I still have political discussions with them and don't hold them in any lower regard.
[quote=aimbottersarefagets]
[quote=TINSFV] Silencing discussion by the "you lose your right to complain" is counter-productive.[/quote]
You just lose credibility. People can still hear your opinion, but they won't even consider it. When someone does not vote when they could have gone voted, I know to not even respect their political opinion. They willingly pulled themself out of the situation and now they're mad that they aren't part of it?[/quote]
My participation in the voting process in no way affects the rightness or wrongness of my views. If my views are wrong, then prove it through reason and argument, not this "credibility."
If they're mad Trump was elected and didn't vote, sure, they have less to stand upon. The same does not apply to when, after Trump is elected, he makes a poor decision and people (who voted for or against, or abstained) criticize him for it. Anyone can criticize an individual's action. The legitimacy of the criticism will either stand up to scrutiny or it won't.
Edit: The voting analogy is also a silly one because America is a republic, not a democracy. There are many states (such as the one in which I live) that vote Republican overwhelmingly. There are some who supported Clinton who did not vote because they knew their votes would not matter nationally (the fact that the alternative was voting for Clinton didn't make them more eager [they still voted on local and state people]). I still have political discussions with them and don't hold them in any lower regard.
It's not like your vote really matters xD #fuckelectoralcollege
It's not like your vote really matters xD #fuckelectoralcollege
holy moly! i think natascha should be banned ASAP! its like a hitscan "super sandman", for a class with 300hp! try entering that damn flank and watch as he ponderously turns on the point and ruins your chances at escape with those bullets! even if he dies you still can't run away and one of his teammates gets you! thoughts?
i dont know whether this happens often in high level competitive tf2 but im sure there are situations like this in which the natascha becomes "gay"/"retarded"/"pyroesque" to the enemy team and makes babies like you and me want to throw their keyboards at their monitors
holy moly! i think natascha should be banned ASAP! its like a hitscan "super sandman", for a class with 300hp! try entering that damn flank and watch as he ponderously turns on the point and ruins your chances at escape with those bullets! even if he dies you still can't run away and one of his teammates gets you! thoughts?
i dont know whether this happens often in high level competitive tf2 but im sure there are situations like this in which the natascha becomes "gay"/"retarded"/"pyroesque" to the enemy team and makes babies like you and me want to throw their keyboards at their monitors
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Balance: I think so. The fast heal rate and uber building is strong, but halving the buffs and not granting invulnerability are sizable downsides. You also cannot block point capture with the uber. Also, it is useless against a Kritzkrieg.
It is better. The Overheal nerf is not significant because the extra buff is not enough to initiate a team fight against the healing, and the Quick-Fix allows Medics to disengage from poor fights incredibly easily. To expand upon the first point, in a no-Uber situation all the QF has to do to break even with stock is to ensure that the fight does not end in 7.5 seconds...ish. It's weird because the classes playing near the Medic will stay buffed, but that's the point where Overheal decays to the 50% mark, and once that advantage is gone you have nothing. You have to get your team in their faces in that time frame, which is very difficult, because, again, the Quick-Fix is much better at disengaging from shitty fights, because you can jump. During the Quick-Fix meta, Ubercharge was only run (once people besides Mixup figured out it was broken) to counter Kritzkrieg and push vs turtle classes (which were much more frequently run due to the turtle nerf).
Not granting invulnerability is one of the shittiest things about it. It is bad at pushing through chokes, which means it's bad at pushing, which means nothing happens. (which is bad for the metagame because doing nothing is boring and pushing is fun)
But it's only a downside against a team that knows how to counter it. In a scenario with standard classes where one team has stock and the other has QF, the QF has a massive advantage - it builds faster. What the Quick-Fix team needs to do is trade Ubers. In a no-Uber situation, you will win because of the heal advantage. Or you can just build and use your 8 seconds where they don't have Uber to kill everything. Also, if you fuck up, just jump your Medic out, you'll have Uber ad and can try again.
Skill: It adds the dimension of Medic latching onto a Soldier or Demo and flying across the map. Conversely, the Medic must take care not to be jumped in inadvertently by his heal target. This increases a Medic's need for awareness and knowing his team. The nature of the Quick-Fix uber forces teams to be very aware of sticky traps when pushing through chokes, especially into last. Like the stock, the Medic must know whom to flash with the uber.
There are only three difficult things about 6s Medic.
One of them is arrowing people. (EDIT: oh yeah i didn't think of this before, the quick-fix lessens the need for this skill because it builds extremely fast and has offers more zero risk healing vs the high risk high reward of attempting to arrow a teammate)
The second is Pyro DM.
The last one (and only one that really matters) is positioning. Positioning is one of the only facets of Medic that takes skill (and you don't need it if you are getting micro'd, Medic is also the easiest class to micro). The Quick-Fix removes this facet because you cannot be punished for bad positioning, especially since Medic shoots further than the actual Soldier he's attached to (and therefore a potential Soldier that's chasing him) due to his lighter weight.
Also, you say that flashing QF takes skill. It does not. Flashing Uber takes skill because you need to decide if they are GOING to take damage, which is often a difficult decision. Flashing QF does not take skill because you only need to flash megaheal to heal things that are already hurt. You don't need to think, just look at their health bar.
You have to be aware of stickytraps regardless of Medigun, including Vaccinator (you need to pop to save people from getting killed by the trap).
Play with: If it's not fun to play with, no one will use it.
Lmao, what are you talking about? Competitive teams and players don't do things to have fun. The only thing that matters in a competitive game is winning. People will use things that allow them to win. Sitting around your combo as a Heavy / Pyro in HL and spychecking and getting 5 kills and 50 dpm in an hour long game isn't fun. People still do it because it's how you win. Playing 6s Pyro or Spy is fun, they're still worthless garbage joke classes and that's why nobody plays it or wants to pick up a Pyro or Spy.
Play against: Since I have minimal experience in a competitive setting, I won't try to answer.
A point-blank Heavy has the DPS to crush megaheal.
Sniper hits through the faster heal rate / megaheal.
Stickytraps go through megaheal.
Axtinguisher used to.
A very good Kritz punches through it (if it's a glancing blow they can survive and surf away).
there are a bunch of other things like jarate and phlog and spy and gunslinger crit punch but the former is blatantly broken and the others are obviously jokes
Do we want a game where Snipers stare at each other for 5min?
Do we want a game where Heavies are run outside of last?
Do you want a game where the team that pushes is always the team that loses? Because the Quick-Fix is amazing at defending because all you have to do is draw out the fight and you will win, and it's very difficult for your Medic to die since he has such a good escape tool. It's also shit at pushing through spam, traps, and Sniper, which means much more waiting around for a Sniper pick.
Also, Quick-Fix was unbanned before the Axtinguisher was gutted and (more importantly) before stickies were nerfed. Kritzkrieg is much shittier now.
From the standpoint of casters and spectators, the Quick-Fix makes for a rock-paper-scissors game of Medi Guns, where Stock beats Kritz, Krits beats Quick-Fix, and Quick-Fix (used properly) beats Stock.
FUCK rock paper scissors. Rock paper scissors is NOT what makes TF2 interesting.
One of the many reasons that Overwatch is a shit game is that it is full of hard counters and rock paper scissors. Pharah is deleted by Hanzo or any of the hitscan heroes. Reaper is absolutely, 100% worthless against Dva. Zarya existing makes Junkrat and Pharah useless. Tracer 1v1s everything. Yes, none of those characters are necessary overpowered because there is counterplay in a team setting - but there is nothing as frustrating as seeing your hard counter and knowing you may as well take your hands off your keyboard go take a piss because you chose wrong.
The reason 6s is fun is all the combat classes have the potential to outplay each other, and the format creates opportunities for them to do that. That sort of thing will never happen in 6s unless you play Medic or Pyro, or are playing against a very good Sniper, or are playing Scout vs Sentry + Engineer.
The reason the Quick-Fix meta wasn't fun is that what allowed teams to win wasn't being able to win those exciting team fights, but switching Mediguns and exchanging fast, mobile classes that are equally good at pushing and holding to slow turtle classes that are trash at pushing and can easily punish attempts from the enemy team to initiate fights, leading to a whole lot of jack shit going on. Also, Kritzkrieg is trash with the Demo nerf so maybe it will just be Quick-Fix vs Quick-Fix with Ubercharge to push last. Which is also shitty.
[quote=TINSFV]
Balance: I think so. The fast heal rate and uber building is strong, but halving the buffs and not granting invulnerability are sizable downsides. You also cannot block point capture with the uber. Also, it is useless against a Kritzkrieg.[/quote]
It is better. The Overheal nerf is not significant because the extra buff is not enough to initiate a team fight against the healing, and the Quick-Fix allows Medics to disengage from poor fights incredibly easily. To expand upon the first point, in a no-Uber situation all the QF has to do to break even with stock is to ensure that the fight does not end in 7.5 seconds...ish. It's weird because the classes playing near the Medic will stay buffed, but that's the point where Overheal decays to the 50% mark, and once that advantage is gone you have nothing. You have to get your team in their faces in that time frame, which is very difficult, because, again, the Quick-Fix is much better at disengaging from shitty fights, because you can jump. During the Quick-Fix meta, Ubercharge was only run (once people besides Mixup figured out it was broken) to counter Kritzkrieg and push vs turtle classes (which were much more frequently run due to the turtle nerf).
Not granting invulnerability is one of the shittiest things about it. It is bad at pushing through chokes, which means it's bad at pushing, which means nothing happens. (which is bad for the metagame because doing nothing is boring and pushing is fun)
But it's only a downside against a team that knows how to counter it. In a scenario with standard classes where one team has stock and the other has QF, the QF has a massive advantage - it builds faster. What the Quick-Fix team needs to do is trade Ubers. In a no-Uber situation, you will win because of the heal advantage. Or you can just build and use your 8 seconds where they don't have Uber to kill everything. Also, if you fuck up, just jump your Medic out, you'll have Uber ad and can try again.
[quote]Skill: It adds the dimension of Medic latching onto a Soldier or Demo and flying across the map. Conversely, the Medic must take care not to be jumped in inadvertently by his heal target. This increases a Medic's need for awareness and knowing his team. The nature of the Quick-Fix uber forces teams to be very aware of sticky traps when pushing through chokes, especially into last. Like the stock, the Medic must know whom to flash with the uber.[/quote]
There are only three difficult things about 6s Medic.
One of them is arrowing people. (EDIT: oh yeah i didn't think of this before, the quick-fix lessens the need for this skill because it builds extremely fast and has offers more zero risk healing vs the high risk high reward of attempting to arrow a teammate)
The second is Pyro DM.
The last one (and only one that really matters) is positioning. Positioning is one of the only facets of Medic that takes skill (and you don't need it if you are getting micro'd, Medic is also the easiest class to micro). The Quick-Fix removes this facet because you cannot be punished for bad positioning, especially since Medic shoots further than the actual Soldier he's attached to (and therefore a potential Soldier that's chasing him) due to his lighter weight.
Also, you say that flashing QF takes skill. It does not. Flashing Uber takes skill because you need to decide if they are GOING to take damage, which is often a difficult decision. Flashing QF does not take skill because you only need to flash megaheal to heal things that are already hurt. You don't need to think, just look at their health bar.
You have to be aware of stickytraps regardless of Medigun, including Vaccinator (you need to pop to save people from getting killed by the trap).
[quote]Play with: If it's not fun to play with, no one will use it.[/quote]
Lmao, what are you talking about? Competitive teams and players don't do things to have fun. The only thing that matters in a competitive game is winning. People will use things that allow them to win. Sitting around your combo as a Heavy / Pyro in HL and spychecking and getting 5 kills and 50 dpm in an hour long game isn't fun. People still do it because it's how you win. Playing 6s Pyro or Spy is fun, they're still worthless garbage joke classes and that's why nobody plays it or wants to pick up a Pyro or Spy.
[quote]Play against: Since I have minimal experience in a competitive setting, I won't try to answer.[/quote]
A point-blank Heavy has the DPS to crush megaheal.
Sniper hits through the faster heal rate / megaheal.
Stickytraps go through megaheal.
Axtinguisher used to.
A very good Kritz punches through it (if it's a glancing blow they can survive and surf away).
there are a bunch of other things like jarate and phlog and spy and gunslinger crit punch but the former is blatantly broken and the others are obviously jokes
Do we want a game where Snipers stare at each other for 5min?
Do we want a game where Heavies are run outside of last?
Do you want a game where the team that pushes is always the team that loses? Because the Quick-Fix is amazing at defending because all you have to do is draw out the fight and you will win, and it's very difficult for your Medic to die since he has such a good escape tool. It's also shit at pushing through spam, traps, and Sniper, which means much more waiting around for a Sniper pick.
Also, Quick-Fix was unbanned before the Axtinguisher was gutted and (more importantly) before stickies were nerfed. Kritzkrieg is much shittier now.
[quote]From the standpoint of casters and spectators, the Quick-Fix makes for a rock-paper-scissors game of Medi Guns, where Stock beats Kritz, Krits beats Quick-Fix, and Quick-Fix (used properly) beats Stock.[/quote]
FUCK rock paper scissors. Rock paper scissors is NOT what makes TF2 interesting.
One of the many reasons that Overwatch is a shit game is that it is full of hard counters and rock paper scissors. Pharah is deleted by Hanzo or any of the hitscan heroes. Reaper is absolutely, 100% worthless against Dva. Zarya existing makes Junkrat and Pharah useless. Tracer 1v1s everything. Yes, none of those characters are necessary overpowered because there is counterplay in a team setting - but there is nothing as frustrating as seeing your hard counter and knowing you may as well take your hands off your keyboard go take a piss because you chose wrong.
The reason 6s is fun is all the combat classes have the potential to outplay each other, and the format creates opportunities for them to do that. That sort of thing will never happen in 6s unless you play Medic or Pyro, or are playing against a very good Sniper, or are playing Scout vs Sentry + Engineer.
The reason the Quick-Fix meta wasn't fun is that what allowed teams to win wasn't being able to win those exciting team fights, but switching Mediguns and exchanging fast, mobile classes that are equally good at pushing and holding to slow turtle classes that are trash at pushing and can easily punish attempts from the enemy team to initiate fights, leading to a whole lot of jack shit going on. Also, Kritzkrieg is trash with the Demo nerf so maybe it will just be Quick-Fix vs Quick-Fix with Ubercharge to push last. Which is also shitty.
TF3 is the only correct answer. Until then, I wait.
TF3 is the only correct answer. Until then, I wait.
Are those people still here? Thank God. This was a very good thread until they decided to bust in and ruin everything. If I could, I would slap the living fecal matter out of all of 'em.
Anyway, yeah, I feel like first everybody should simmer down. Then, somebody who isn't the famous people who were in this thread should step to the plate, and give us meaningful, insightful discussion on the future. I don't want this to happen again. Nobody does.
Are those people still here? Thank God. This was a very good thread until they decided to bust in and ruin everything. If I could, I would slap the living fecal matter out of all of 'em.
Anyway, yeah, I feel like first everybody should simmer down. Then, somebody who isn't the famous people who were in this thread should step to the plate, and give us meaningful, insightful [i]discussion[/i] on the future. I don't want this to happen again. Nobody does.
4812622Quick-Fix: NO!!!
You make some good points. If all that is as you say, it certainly seems the Quick-Fix would remain banned. We'll see.
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Quick-Fix: NO!!!
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You make some good points. If all that is as you say, it certainly seems the Quick-Fix would remain banned. We'll see.
BlacksmithGamesAre those people still here? Thank God. This was a very good thread until they decided to bust in and ruin everything. If I could, I would slap the living fecal matter out of all of 'em.
Anyway, yeah, I feel like first everybody should simmer down. Then, somebody who isn't the famous people who were in this thread should step to the plate, and give us meaningful, insightful discussion on the future. I don't want this to happen again. Nobody does.
Just because certain individuals chose to devolve the conversation into attacks on others character doesn't mean there wasn't any substance to the point of the original posts.
[quote=BlacksmithGames]Are those people still here? Thank God. This was a very good thread until they decided to bust in and ruin everything. If I could, I would slap the living fecal matter out of all of 'em.
Anyway, yeah, I feel like first everybody should simmer down. Then, somebody who isn't the famous people who were in this thread should step to the plate, and give us meaningful, insightful [i]discussion[/i] on the future. I don't want this to happen again. Nobody does.[/quote]
Just because certain individuals chose to devolve the conversation into attacks on others character doesn't mean there wasn't any substance to the point of the original posts.
i thought dflame alts were bad
On a more relevant note people have been lobbying valve for support for like 7 years now in the competitive community.
If you think a push for big whitelist changes in ESEA 9 years after release is suddenly going to usher in huge support for a game that doesn't even compare to the playerbase of Dota or CS:GO you're really just deluded.
Play this game for the love of it and don't force your opinions of how it should be played on others for some non-sense dream of a competitive renaissance. TF2 is great and the people in it are great but don't drink the Kool-Aid expecting you're going to Valve's paradise, you're just gonna kill the game. This path has been talked over while I played and for years before it and nothing has ever changed and it sure as hell won't change now.
Just love the game for what it is.
i thought dflame alts were bad
On a more relevant note people have been lobbying valve for support for like 7 years now in the competitive community.
If you think a push for big whitelist changes in ESEA 9 years after release is suddenly going to usher in huge support for a game that doesn't even compare to the playerbase of Dota or CS:GO you're really just deluded.
Play this game for the love of it and don't force your opinions of how it should be played on others for some non-sense dream of a competitive renaissance. TF2 is great and the people in it are great but don't drink the Kool-Aid expecting you're going to Valve's paradise, you're just gonna kill the game. This path has been talked over while I played and for years before it and nothing has ever changed and it sure as hell won't change now.
Just love the game for what it is.
I feel if Valve is not going to care about competitive 6's and not attempt to lift a finger to help us why would we include more weapons that would just ruin the game that we love. One thing I thought about when this happened last season is people always complained about stalemates and people parking the bus, then we unban weapons that encourage it like rescue ranger or the natasha. I like the whitelist as of now and feel no need to mess with anything this close to the season started. I do like the idea of all leagues using the same whitelist. If Valve will ever give a shit and say "will host a tournament with a $10k prize pot with our rules" then I could see having to work around the weapons and adding more into the game. Just my opinion.
I feel if Valve is not going to care about competitive 6's and not attempt to lift a finger to help us why would we include more weapons that would just ruin the game that we love. One thing I thought about when this happened last season is people always complained about stalemates and people parking the bus, then we unban weapons that encourage it like rescue ranger or the natasha. I like the whitelist as of now and feel no need to mess with anything this close to the season started. I do like the idea of all leagues using the same whitelist. If Valve will ever give a shit and say "will host a tournament with a $10k prize pot with our rules" then I could see having to work around the weapons and adding more into the game. Just my opinion.
Can we talk about classlimits next?
Can we talk about classlimits next?
"If it ain't broke don't fix it."
Valve have had years to listen to our feedback/suggestions so why should we feel liable to get the support when the community seems better off on its own. Lets just do things our way instead of trying to appeal to a higher calling that couldn't give a shit about us anyway. Thousands of players have built this "esport" from the ground up with minimal support together and as we have seen with the upcoming Rewind LAN have been able to support potentially 3 teams to play @LAN without a single penny from the overlords. So why can't we have our own rules, our own whitelists, our own leagues. Lets just muster all the effort we have into what we got now and make it something we can all enjoy as a community.
TL;DR: Yes lets make our own choices on the whitelist rather than forcing ourselves to make changes for no gain.
"If it ain't broke don't fix it."
Valve have had years to listen to our feedback/suggestions so why should we feel liable to get the support when the community seems better off on its own. Lets just do things our way instead of trying to appeal to a higher calling that couldn't give a shit about us anyway. Thousands of players have built this "esport" from the ground up with minimal support together and as we have seen with the upcoming Rewind LAN have been able to support potentially 3 teams to play @LAN without a single penny from the overlords. So why can't we have our own rules, our own whitelists, our own leagues. Lets just muster all the effort we have into what we got now and make it something we can all enjoy as a community.
TL;DR: Yes lets make our own choices on the whitelist rather than forcing ourselves to make changes for no gain.
damneasyCan we talk about classlimits next?
True class has no limit.
Next.
[quote=damneasy]Can we talk about classlimits next?[/quote]
True class has no limit.
Next.
[quote=damneasy]Can we talk about classlimits next?[/quote]
http://www.teamfortress.tv/36886/the-state-of-tf2-post-valve-meetings
here you go
cw said the only thing worth reading on this page
if u have fun playing tf2, play tf2
don't expect to be able to turn it into a lifestyle, enjoy your meatshots then move on
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that is unless your entire livelihood depends on tf2 MaKiNg !T BiG
cw said the only thing worth reading on this page
if u have fun playing tf2, play tf2
don't expect to be able to turn it into a lifestyle, enjoy your meatshots then move on
[spoiler]that is unless your entire livelihood depends on tf2 MaKiNg !T BiG[/spoiler]
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Uh oh
@MR_SLIN delete this thread
@MR_SLIN delete this thread
what the absolute fuck is this
why are moronic pubbers asking for quick fix unbans
why are you talking about trump
what the absolute fuck is this
why are moronic pubbers asking for quick fix unbans
why are you talking about trump
TINSFVAmerica is a republic, not a democracy
Derailing this thread to point out that republics can be democracies because what makes a republic a republic is that it is ruled by elected individuals
[quote=TINSFV]
America is a republic, not a democracy[/quote]
Derailing this thread to point out that republics can be democracies because what makes a republic a republic is that it is ruled by elected individuals
nopewhat the absolute fuck is this
why are moronic pubbers asking for quick fix unbans
why are you talking about trump
b4nny said he wanted to test these weapons:
quick fix
dalokhas
solemn vow
pomson
soda popper
he said it on stream so thats probably why everyone keeps bringing those weps up.
[quote=nope]what the absolute fuck is this
why are moronic pubbers asking for quick fix unbans
why are you talking about trump[/quote]
b4nny said he wanted to test these weapons:
quick fix
dalokhas
solemn vow
pomson
soda popper
he said it on stream so thats probably why everyone keeps bringing those weps up.