i understand the spam thing, but that chat was total cancer regardless of me. i was just eager to hear that point discussed so that was on me. also dont even get me started on pugchamp bias when it comes to captianing. and im not on the offensive, im just saying that i shouldnt be thrown under the bus and told to hush just cuz im new to comp. feedback from new players is what comp really needs!

is this still happening

oh my fucking god don't make me roast you again

If a version of this was made. would we have anyone that would volunteer to test this out? i feel like some good points were made and we can tweak this enough to balance it.

how would this even be made

we could tweak the system valve aready uses for the store. or we could just start from scratch. i know a few people that make mods so i can see what i can do.

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im talking about the timing system valve uses when you tryout a weapon from their store. if you dont know what that is please read the first post! im saying that we take whatever code/formula they use and tweak it. im currently asking around to see how much effort it would take

you're essentially suggesting turning tf2 into a pay-to-win game

what the fuck is wrong with you

Ok, im not tryna be a asshole but in the discord we all said this idea was not good. What was the point of bringing here when people already disagreed 6 hours ago

I think is that, once you "try" out an item, it expires 1 week from exactly when you bought it.
Also how long would the timer be? The definition of how long a round can last is, at minimum, one minute.
Also, say that one of the soldiers ran the B.A.S.E Jumper to mid because they're retarded. Fuck it, they're running liberty launcher. And the market gardener. That soldier farms your whole team with the market gardener. The timer runs out for the Jumper. His mind isn't going to be like "OH BETTER BE A GOOD BOY AND RETURN THE PARACHUTE!" No, he's going to keep it because as long as he's not dead, he doesn't have to return it.

Would the time double when two people are using it? It's just so ab usable it's not worth it.

thats not what im suggestiong at all. its completly possible to get all tf2 weps for free or even 1 scrap!

Dude you should make a tournament call it "Mocha's challenge cup" make a $2000 prize pool and have it run this format, it would be an excellent way of showing why it's stupid

the time limit is debatable, but i feel like it wouldnt be long enough to last the entire round. also every weapon has a counter to it. that guy with the parachute would be an easy target, as it was proven in past matches for when they tested it. im also saying that the change could be something immediate but also fair. like the next time he picks up ammo or switches weapons

that chat was cancer and i doubt anyone on the mics were even taking it seriously.

Were not defending anyone, we also arent implying that what theyre saying is right, what we are saying is that you shouldnt be a dickhead to newer players' ideas and being so negative to them. Thats like going up to a 3yr who has the idea "how about we give evryone a trillion dollars" and saying "your dumb cunt kys". that three year old is gonna view you as the idiot you are and you havent managed to change their mind about the idea. As a more experienced player how about you use your knowledge for good instead of a being a fucking ass to people who could benefit from your teachings??? and if you looked at like the first page all it was is people saying "no", "ur dumb", "ban this retard" with no explanation at all

before reading this thread I was like :) after reading this thread I was like :(
stop explaining urself mocha it is making me :( just stop bumping :)

yes, every weapon has a counter to it. However, just because "oh black box has less ammo then rocket launcher" doesn't mean that the soldier with a rocket launcher will beat out the black box always. It's about SKILL.

also how the fuck are you going to change the timed out weapon to the user's desired choice?

What the fuck are you talking about? Have you read this thread at all? Its pretty clear that mocha wants a plugin to force you into giving up the weapon after a certain time, were not just going around telling everyone "hey guys after 1 minute u better unequip that weapon!"

have you tried reading this thread? it's a fucking headache. im done this is retarded fuck it

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the game is about skill, i agree. thats why i feel like if these weapons were timed, any downsides would ultimatly be just on the player for making bad decisions and not hindering everyone elses possibilites because of that player. like i said in the first post: if a guy comes to a sentry with the mangler, that doesnt make the mangler bad or the sentry op. its how you play the game.

and on the timeout, vulcan is right with the idea of a plugin that does it automatically

Mocha, here just a few arguments against the idea:

1) Timing weapons out every round doesn't reduce the extent to which they're cancerous while they're in play.

2) It reduces the tactical nature of mids. You're talking about having a timer for every round where they expire, but that means that every weapon is available at every single midfight. Increasing the number of RNG or massive-damage-for-no-reason items available at the midfight increases the incentive to have your med bait and just mindlessly run into theirs and decide rounds quickly.

3) People have talked for a long time about TF2 being boring or difficult to understand as a spectator esport. Knowing when a weapon is available or not adds this dimension that would make it even harder to watch or for new players to get into.

4) It seems like it wouldn't make sense to have a timer for *both* teams on every item since the other team could deprive you of the chance to use one if you don't decide to run it right away. That means that you don't know when the other team's couple of minutes is up unless someone is keeping track of every weapon they've seen the others use that round. It introduces this fairly large drain of brainpower that is going to no use except to enable use of items no one wants to play around anyway.

5) You seem to think it would be simple to repurpose the code used for item rentals to time out items. You're wrong.

I think Mocha is on the right track but maybe his idea needs tweaking.

What if instead of a timer we had some sort of money system at the beginning of each round where you had to buy weapons

And we got rid of that terrible game mode 5cp and instead played only some sort of attack defend game mode

And the attacking team could have slightly different weapons than the defending team, maybe a little more powerful

I'd also suggest making it 5v5 to simplify things a little bit

Also we should probably just stick to one class to make things even

Now that would make a great competitive game

huh

nobody is going to waste their time creating a server side plugin to put in some sorta kinda overwatch-ultimate like system with weapons that are unfun to play against

Correct me if im wrong, but i thought the timer was for the whole game, and you could only use a weapon maybe once or twice and entire game, not round
And what about an on screen timer which shows how much time you have left on the item?

1. im not saying all weapons are balanced, im saying that the one that are op/broken will be restricted will also still being in play

2. maybe we could have it to where its random. that way both team would be able to use the item without it being such a spamfest/cancer. or maybe we could make the timer short. starting of with a 50/50 round and developing into a more tactical game

3.id be happy to do whatever i can to make this more clear and as easy to understand as possible. plus i feel like this would add some much needed varity to the game while also making it fair.

4. you're right. i feel like that could be re-worked into something that would time the weapons as a whole so that way we wouldnt have any loose straggler items holding up a round.

5. well being that we already have something to work with, i say its a start.

Yes all of those ideas are good but what if the weapon you had affected your movement speed?

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