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it's kinda depressing how most airlines have these horror stories but they're laughing at united now that everyone who didn't get a plastic fork with their meal is going to the media or reddit about it
it's kinda depressing how most airlines have these horror stories but they're laughing at united now that everyone who didn't get a plastic fork with their meal is going to the media or reddit about it
Corporation makes mistake, consumers get man handled by police. Yep makes sense to me.
Corporation makes mistake, consumers get man handled by police. Yep makes sense to me.
The captain is in charge of the aircraft. And if he or she decides that someone needs to be offloaded, that command has to be obeyed. From the moment that the unfortunate individual in this case said, "I'm staying put", he became a disruptive passenger.
From that moment he was disobeying the captain's command. Officials were legally entitled to remove him, and as the videos show, he was dragged from the plane. It appears from the evidence that the law was broken - by him, not by the airline. But I would be surprised if United pressed charges.
[quote]The captain is in charge of the aircraft. And if he or she decides that someone needs to be offloaded, that command has to be obeyed. From the moment that the unfortunate individual in this case said, "I'm staying put", he became a disruptive passenger.
From that moment he was disobeying the captain's command. Officials were legally entitled to remove him, and as the videos show, he was dragged from the plane. It appears from the evidence that the law was broken - by him, not by the airline. But I would be surprised if United pressed charges.[/quote]
From that moment he was disobeying the captain's command. Officials were legally entitled to remove him, and as the videos show, he was dragged from the plane. It appears from the evidence that the law was broken - by him, not by the airline. But I would be surprised if United pressed charges.[/quote]
VouriThe captain is in charge of the aircraft. And if he or she decides that someone needs to be offloaded, that command has to be obeyed. From the moment that the unfortunate individual in this case said, "I'm staying put", he became a disruptive passenger.
From that moment he was disobeying the captain's command. Officials were legally entitled to remove him, and as the videos show, he was dragged from the plane. It appears from the evidence that the law was broken - by him, not by the airline. But I would be surprised if United pressed charges.
I'm pretty sure the people at the check in counter could have said that they were full. Even without that, the people at the gate could have prevented him from boarding. Still United's fault imo since they had so many chances to prevent it from happening.
[quote=Vouri][quote]The captain is in charge of the aircraft. And if he or she decides that someone needs to be offloaded, that command has to be obeyed. From the moment that the unfortunate individual in this case said, "I'm staying put", he became a disruptive passenger.
From that moment he was disobeying the captain's command. Officials were legally entitled to remove him, and as the videos show, he was dragged from the plane. It appears from the evidence that the law was broken - by him, not by the airline. But I would be surprised if United pressed charges.[/quote][/quote]
I'm pretty sure the people at the check in counter could have said that they were full. Even without that, the people at the gate could have prevented him from boarding. Still United's fault imo since they had so many chances to prevent it from happening.
From that moment he was disobeying the captain's command. Officials were legally entitled to remove him, and as the videos show, he was dragged from the plane. It appears from the evidence that the law was broken - by him, not by the airline. But I would be surprised if United pressed charges.[/quote][/quote]
I'm pretty sure the people at the check in counter could have said that they were full. Even without that, the people at the gate could have prevented him from boarding. Still United's fault imo since they had so many chances to prevent it from happening.
regardless of the letter of the law, he was clearly handled in a way that far exceeded the necessary level of force. as a corporation, they've made a mistake. what they ought to do to rectify that mistake is not forcibly eject the consumer from their plane. if the voucher and hotel room that they offered didn't convince anyone to get off of the plane, then they should increase their voucher payout, it's a simple as that. instead, they bullied and physically assaulted an old asian man while remaining within the letter of the law in doing so. that doesn't make what they did right, and they deserve 100% of the backlash that they are getting for handling it the way that they did.
regardless of the letter of the law, he was clearly handled in a way that far exceeded the necessary level of force. as a corporation, they've made a mistake. what they ought to do to rectify that mistake is not forcibly eject the consumer from their plane. if the voucher and hotel room that they offered didn't convince anyone to get off of the plane, then they should increase their voucher payout, it's a simple as that. instead, they bullied and physically assaulted an old asian man while remaining within the letter of the law in doing so. that doesn't make what they did right, and they deserve 100% of the backlash that they are getting for handling it the way that they did.
I'm pretty sure they are supposed to offer 400% of the ticket price, but they were offering lower to see of anyone would take it instead.
I'm pretty sure they are supposed to offer 400% of the ticket price, but they were offering lower to see of anyone would take it instead.
Overbooking flights is a common thing, but doesn't often lead to issues like that. If it does, there should be a different way to solve it.
Overbooking flights is a common thing, but doesn't often lead to issues like that. If it does, there should be a different way to solve it.
I mean technically the airline is right, yes he did have to get off, but on the other hand the airline did sell him a ticket and the way he was removed was definitely unnecessary.
I mean technically the airline is right, yes he did have to get off, but on the other hand the airline did sell him a ticket and the way he was removed was definitely unnecessary.
VouriThe captain is in charge of the aircraft. And if he or she decides that someone needs to be offloaded, that command has to be obeyed. From the moment that the unfortunate individual in this case said, "I'm staying put", he became a disruptive passenger.
From that moment he was disobeying the captain's command. Officials were legally entitled to remove him, and as the videos show, he was dragged from the plane. It appears from the evidence that the law was broken - by him, not by the airline. But I would be surprised if United pressed charges.
http://i.imgur.com/0PKQOsO.jpg
saw this other day whilst looking for memes
even if he was legally allowed to be removed the way they did it was wrong and there is this video that surfaced after he was dragged off the plane https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/04/just-kill-me-horrifying-new-video-shows-united-passenger-drooling-blood/ (i didn't know how to embed the video that was on the site itself so just posted source)
[quote=Vouri][quote]The captain is in charge of the aircraft. And if he or she decides that someone needs to be offloaded, that command has to be obeyed. From the moment that the unfortunate individual in this case said, "I'm staying put", he became a disruptive passenger.
From that moment he was disobeying the captain's command. Officials were legally entitled to remove him, and as the videos show, he was dragged from the plane. It appears from the evidence that the law was broken - by him, not by the airline. But I would be surprised if United pressed charges.[/quote][/quote]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/0PKQOsO.jpg[/img]
saw this other day whilst looking for memes
even if he was legally allowed to be removed the way they did it was wrong and there is this video that surfaced after he was dragged off the plane https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/04/just-kill-me-horrifying-new-video-shows-united-passenger-drooling-blood/ (i didn't know how to embed the video that was on the site itself so just posted source)
From that moment he was disobeying the captain's command. Officials were legally entitled to remove him, and as the videos show, he was dragged from the plane. It appears from the evidence that the law was broken - by him, not by the airline. But I would be surprised if United pressed charges.[/quote][/quote]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/0PKQOsO.jpg[/img]
saw this other day whilst looking for memes
even if he was legally allowed to be removed the way they did it was wrong and there is this video that surfaced after he was dragged off the plane https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/04/just-kill-me-horrifying-new-video-shows-united-passenger-drooling-blood/ (i didn't know how to embed the video that was on the site itself so just posted source)
shorasOverbooking flights is a common thing, but doesn't often lead to issues like that. If it does, there should be a different way to solve it.
They do solve it a different way, priority is given to the people already in the plane and preventing overbooking is done at the gate. There is a strong policy that's put in place for that and they actually are allowed to deny boarding for. If it happens any other way, some rule or law somewhere is probably being broken.
What United did by trying to get some of their employees on a full flight, legally speaking, has nothing to do with overbooking. Overbooking is defined in terms of oversales, which means the employees they were trying to put on were not involved with overbooking. They are not allowed to kick you off for this, both in terms of the law and in United's contract (and they wouldn't be allowed to kick you off even if it were a matter of overbooking).
VouriThe captain is in charge of the aircraft. And if he or she decides that someone needs to be offloaded, that command has to be obeyed. From the moment that the unfortunate individual in this case said, "I'm staying put", he became a disruptive passenger.
From that moment he was disobeying the captain's command. Officials were legally entitled to remove him, and as the videos show, he was dragged from the plane. It appears from the evidence that the law was broken - by him, not by the airline. But I would be surprised if United pressed charges.
You are allowed to remove someone that is already disruptive (specifically, within United's contract, "disorderly, offensive, abusive, or violent"). You are not allowed to attempt to remove someone, have them become "disruptive" by refusing (as is their right, since attempting to remove them was illegal in the first place), and then use that as justification for removing them. United's contract had nothing about removing people already on a plane to put others on it, they had no grounds to attempt to remove him in the first place.
e: sorta ninja'd, didn't realize how long it took me to write this :B
[quote=shoras]Overbooking flights is a common thing, but doesn't often lead to issues like that. If it does, there should be a different way to solve it.[/quote]
They do solve it a different way, priority is given to the people already in the plane and preventing overbooking is done at the gate. There is a strong policy that's put in place for that and they actually are allowed to deny boarding for. If it happens any other way, some rule or law somewhere is probably being broken.
What United did by trying to get some of their employees on a full flight, legally speaking, has nothing to do with overbooking. Overbooking is defined in terms of oversales, which means the employees they were trying to put on were not involved with overbooking. They are not allowed to kick you off for this, both in terms of the law and in United's contract (and they wouldn't be allowed to kick you off even if it were a matter of overbooking).
[quote=Vouri][quote]The captain is in charge of the aircraft. And if he or she decides that someone needs to be offloaded, that command has to be obeyed. From the moment that the unfortunate individual in this case said, "I'm staying put", he became a disruptive passenger.
From that moment he was disobeying the captain's command. Officials were legally entitled to remove him, and as the videos show, he was dragged from the plane. It appears from the evidence that the law was broken - by him, not by the airline. But I would be surprised if United pressed charges.[/quote][/quote]
You are allowed to remove someone that is already disruptive (specifically, within United's contract, "disorderly, offensive, abusive, or violent"). You are not allowed to attempt to remove someone, have them become "disruptive" by refusing (as is their right, since attempting to remove them was illegal in the first place), and then use that as justification for removing them. United's contract had nothing about removing people already on a plane to put others on it, they had no grounds to attempt to remove him in the first place.
e: sorta ninja'd, didn't realize how long it took me to write this :B
They do solve it a different way, priority is given to the people already in the plane and preventing overbooking is done at the gate. There is a strong policy that's put in place for that and they actually are allowed to deny boarding for. If it happens any other way, some rule or law somewhere is probably being broken.
What United did by trying to get some of their employees on a full flight, legally speaking, has nothing to do with overbooking. Overbooking is defined in terms of oversales, which means the employees they were trying to put on were not involved with overbooking. They are not allowed to kick you off for this, both in terms of the law and in United's contract (and they wouldn't be allowed to kick you off even if it were a matter of overbooking).
[quote=Vouri][quote]The captain is in charge of the aircraft. And if he or she decides that someone needs to be offloaded, that command has to be obeyed. From the moment that the unfortunate individual in this case said, "I'm staying put", he became a disruptive passenger.
From that moment he was disobeying the captain's command. Officials were legally entitled to remove him, and as the videos show, he was dragged from the plane. It appears from the evidence that the law was broken - by him, not by the airline. But I would be surprised if United pressed charges.[/quote][/quote]
You are allowed to remove someone that is already disruptive (specifically, within United's contract, "disorderly, offensive, abusive, or violent"). You are not allowed to attempt to remove someone, have them become "disruptive" by refusing (as is their right, since attempting to remove them was illegal in the first place), and then use that as justification for removing them. United's contract had nothing about removing people already on a plane to put others on it, they had no grounds to attempt to remove him in the first place.
e: sorta ninja'd, didn't realize how long it took me to write this :B
United had this coming. They've had this overbooking issue for years and deserve everything they're getting
United had this coming. They've had this overbooking issue for years and deserve everything they're getting
On one hand I feel like doing away with overbooking wouldn't cause issues like this
On the other hand the way that the entire thing was handled is just awful
Also oddly enough the doctor that was selected to get off the flight has had some incredibly shady medical stuff go on in the past (source) but that doesn't give any authority any right to treat him how he was treated imo
On one hand I feel like doing away with overbooking wouldn't cause issues like this
On the other hand the way that the entire thing was handled is just awful
Also oddly enough the doctor that was selected to get off the flight has had some incredibly shady medical stuff go on in the past ([url=https://youtu.be/D7-25dwf9iM?t=479]source[/url]) but that doesn't give any authority any right to treat him how he was treated imo
On the other hand the way that the entire thing was handled is just awful
Also oddly enough the doctor that was selected to get off the flight has had some incredibly shady medical stuff go on in the past ([url=https://youtu.be/D7-25dwf9iM?t=479]source[/url]) but that doesn't give any authority any right to treat him how he was treated imo
aieraold
I wish I could kick you out of a plane aiera
[quote=aiera]old[/quote]
I wish I could kick you out of a plane aiera
I wish I could kick you out of a plane aiera
THEBILLDOZERI'm pretty sure they are supposed to offer 400% of the ticket price, but they were offering lower to see of anyone would take it instead.
This depends on how quickly they find a new flight for the person. If the airline cannot find a flight within 4 hours, they have to give 400%. If they find it within one hour, then they only have to cover the cost of the plane.
[quote=THEBILLDOZER]I'm pretty sure they are supposed to offer 400% of the ticket price, but they were offering lower to see of anyone would take it instead.[/quote]
This depends on how quickly they find a new flight for the person. If the airline cannot find a flight within 4 hours, they have to give 400%. If they find it within one hour, then they only have to cover the cost of the plane.
This depends on how quickly they find a new flight for the person. If the airline cannot find a flight within 4 hours, they have to give 400%. If they find it within one hour, then they only have to cover the cost of the plane.
dot_https://twitter.com/tonestradamus/status/851837058209521665
yeah the victim blaming our media does is fucking disgusting
[quote=dot_]https://twitter.com/tonestradamus/status/851837058209521665[/quote]
yeah the victim blaming our media does is fucking disgusting
yeah the victim blaming our media does is fucking disgusting
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/13/scorpion-stings-man-on-united-flight-to-calgary.html
Can't catch a break lmao
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/13/scorpion-stings-man-on-united-flight-to-calgary.html
Can't catch a break lmao
Can't catch a break lmao
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