I assume that ESEA plans to split TF2 Open into two conferences again, as they have since season 22.
Is this a good thing? Last season it seemed that Eastern was significantly stronger than Central, which didn't feel great from a bubble playoffs team leader's perspective. We also had weird situations once a few teams died, where teams ended up playing twice and there were also some matches towards the end of the season between the top and bottom teams of each conference (think lucrative's team vs a team with like 5 rounds won all season). With a single conference, there could have been more competitive matches between the teams on the lower end instead, and we would have a better understanding of where the teams lie in relation to one another. What do you think?
I assume that ESEA plans to split TF2 Open into two conferences again, as they have since season 22.
Is this a good thing? Last season it seemed that Eastern was significantly stronger than Central, which didn't feel great from a bubble playoffs team leader's perspective. We also had weird situations once a few teams died, where teams ended up playing twice and there were also some matches towards the end of the season between the top and bottom teams of each conference (think lucrative's team vs a team with like 5 rounds won all season). With a single conference, there could have been more competitive matches between the teams on the lower end instead, and we would have a better understanding of where the teams lie in relation to one another. What do you think?
s22 they were really bad, east conference was super easy so we never played some of the good teams in central so please no conferences
s22 they were really bad, east conference was super easy so we never played some of the good teams in central so please no conferences
All 3 seasons they have been present there have been issues with conference balance, and it discourages certain teams from scrimming each other because they have no incentive to learn how another team plays if they don't meet them until playoffs. Having 1 larger conference like we used to would pretty much solve both of these problems.
All 3 seasons they have been present there have been issues with conference balance, and it discourages certain teams from scrimming each other because they have no incentive to learn how another team plays if they don't meet them until playoffs. Having 1 larger conference like we used to would pretty much solve both of these problems.
It is probably for the best that there is not conferences. It would boost the competition in the regular season, and it would also make seeding a bit better for playoffs.
Playoffs on the other hand shouldn't be single elimination. The better teams should be on top, and if the two best teams face off against each other in the second round of playoffs, then you have a team going off to win open, and the other sitting back in 8th place unable to do anything. Double elimination would likely fix it.
Conferences + Single Elim. Playoffs = Bad
It is probably for the best that there is not conferences. It would boost the competition in the regular season, and it would also make seeding a bit better for playoffs.
Playoffs on the other hand shouldn't be single elimination. The better teams should be on top, and if the two best teams face off against each other in the second round of playoffs, then you have a team going off to win open, and the other sitting back in 8th place unable to do anything. Double elimination would likely fix it.
Conferences + Single Elim. Playoffs = Bad
No.
It's also an unnecessary supplement/detriment to player egos.
No.
It's also an unnecessary supplement/detriment to player egos.
why did open start having conferences
why did open start having conferences
There was and never will be a reason to split Open into conferences. I don't know what the rationale is but we should definitely talk to tri about it.
There was and never will be a reason to split Open into conferences. I don't know what the rationale is but we should definitely talk to tri about it.
No. Not only because of playoffs ramifications, but also because of how it affects the low open teams. Every season there's a handful of them and I'm sure they'd love to be able to actually play their scrim partners in matches to have a close fun match. Instead they just get to wave at each other from across the conference wall and get pounded by the top team in their respective conferences because they ran out of teams to play. Which means that they're more likely to die and/or have such a demoralizing season that they won't return for the next one.
No. Not only because of playoffs ramifications, but also because of how it affects the low open teams. Every season there's a handful of them and I'm sure they'd love to be able to actually play their scrim partners in matches to have a close fun match. Instead they just get to wave at each other from across the conference wall and get pounded by the top team in their respective conferences because they ran out of teams to play. Which means that they're more likely to die and/or have such a demoralizing season that they won't return for the next one.
SombreThanks to everyone who said we'd be out the first couple weeks, then before playoffs, then in playoffs...you really helped us rub our balls all over this league ;)
shoutout to carpool cucks, power surge and everyone else who was mad cool
[quote=Sombre]Thanks to everyone who said we'd be out the first couple weeks, then before playoffs, then in playoffs...you really helped us rub our balls all over this league ;)
shoutout to carpool cucks, power surge and everyone else who was mad cool[/quote]
Quick update: brought it up with Tri, he said he'd look into it but said it was doubtful the conference system could be changed due to how the servers work, thanked us for the feedback though. Unfortunate but not much to be done about it other than get so many teams it becomes a non-issue :(
Quick update: brought it up with Tri, he said he'd look into it but said it was doubtful the conference system could be changed due to how the servers work, thanked us for the feedback though. Unfortunate but not much to be done about it other than get so many teams it becomes a non-issue :(
CitricQuick update: brought it up with Tri, he said he'd look into it but said it was doubtful the conference system could be changed due to how the servers work, thanked us for the feedback though. Unfortunate but not much to be done about it other than get so many teams it becomes a non-issue :(
Are there server location restrictions based on conference? If not we could just get all the Open teams to signup for central.
[quote=Citric]Quick update: brought it up with Tri, he said he'd look into it but said it was doubtful the conference system could be changed due to how the servers work, thanked us for the feedback though. Unfortunate but not much to be done about it other than get so many teams it becomes a non-issue :([/quote]
Are there server location restrictions based on conference? If not we could just get all the Open teams to signup for central.
7:14 PM - Citric: hey following up on what i asked you about conferences, what would happen if all the open teams signed up for central instead of split? somebody suggested that
7:18 PM - tri: they can do that but idk if there would be enough central servers for everyone
7:19 PM - tri: i think i'll try to see if we can just make all servers available for one conference
7:19 PM - tri: but then stil there would be a shortage if everyone wanted chicago for example
7:14 PM - Citric: hey following up on what i asked you about conferences, what would happen if all the open teams signed up for central instead of split? somebody suggested that
7:18 PM - tri: they can do that but idk if there would be enough central servers for everyone
7:19 PM - tri: i think i'll try to see if we can just make all servers available for one conference
7:19 PM - tri: but then stil there would be a shortage if everyone wanted chicago for example
everybody signing up for one conference sounds good in theory but if anyone fags out and signs up for a different conference they get instant playoffs
everybody signing up for one conference sounds good in theory but if anyone fags out and signs up for a different conference they get instant playoffs
i think if there were only a few teams in the other conference they'd just get moved
i think if there were only a few teams in the other conference they'd just get moved
if it's server availability then just have all the same servers available (nyc atl chi dal etc) as a first come first serve like they do for IM
if it's server availability then just have all the same servers available (nyc atl chi dal etc) as a first come first serve like they do for IM
even though conferences deter competition in open, i don't know if it'd be logistically possible to have every team under one conference
even though conferences deter competition in open, i don't know if it'd be logistically possible to have every team under one conference
vipereven though conferences deter competition in open, i don't know if it'd be logistically possible to have every team under one conference
they did for like 21 seasons straight before this so i dont think it would be impossible.
[quote=viper]even though conferences deter competition in open, i don't know if it'd be logistically possible to have every team under one conference[/quote]
they did for like 21 seasons straight before this so i dont think it would be impossible.
DirtyMortthey did for like 21 seasons straight before this so i dont think it would be impossible.
correct me if i'm wrong but hasn't esea decreased the number of tf2 servers available for scheduling from where it was 4-5 seasons ago
[quote=DirtyMort]they did for like 21 seasons straight before this so i dont think it would be impossible.[/quote]
correct me if i'm wrong but hasn't esea decreased the number of tf2 servers available for scheduling from where it was 4-5 seasons ago
2 Conferences causes several problems
-- Increases the chances of current playoff tie-breaker rules unable to fix ties at the end of the season.
-- Stacking many or all good teams into 1 conference
-- Dead teams could cause the same teams to play each other twice in the regular season or getting FFW's (Both of these suck)
2 Conferences causes several problems
-- Increases the chances of current playoff tie-breaker rules unable to fix ties at the end of the season.
-- Stacking many or all good teams into 1 conference
-- Dead teams could cause the same teams to play each other twice in the regular season or getting FFW's (Both of these suck)
THEBILLDOZEReverybody signing up for one conference sounds good in theory but if anyone fags out and signs up for a different conference they get instant playoffs
Oh ya I gay.
[quote=THEBILLDOZER]everybody signing up for one conference sounds good in theory but if anyone fags out and signs up for a different conference they get instant playoffs[/quote]
Oh ya I gay.
conferences are pretty wack, wouldn't want them in the future. it's more fun to play all the teams instead of just a handful by "region" (even though I played central and I'm eastern).
conferences are pretty wack, wouldn't want them in the future. it's more fun to play all the teams instead of just a handful by "region" (even though I played central and I'm eastern).