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$30

MAN OH MAN, I AM FUCKING MAD.

#freeclockwork

Killing, do keep in mind that off-classing may be entirely necessary for teams. Say your demo main goes on vacation for two weeks. Some teams might very understandably switch almost everyone's role on the team for the matches in the interim period. Instead of a policy banning specific things (i.e. off-classing), maybe think about having a subjectively judged policy requiring teams give an "honest effort" at the invite level.

I could understand rules for off-classing during match of the week. Maybe additional penalties for off-classing while clearly throwing the game would be worthwhile.

Banning offclassing is indeed a tricky subject indeed.

Banning off classing isn't that tricky. There is a difference between having a single person playing a different class (animeman on demo) and having your entire team attempting to throw the game. Don't ascribe it to quantitative measures or force people to announce their main heading into the season or something, just make it known that if you throw the game you're going to be penalized.

If that means we don't get ghos7 on pan scout or get to watch AG run 5 heavies on badlands again then so be it, at least we don't have to deal with people throwing matches.

^ ??????? that's never going to happen

wait so the ban is from now? so clocks 2 days doesn't really affect him at all?

2 days or 2 matches? Or meaning a ban from using the pugs that no one uses?

@Dunder

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clock obviously can't use ESEA's premium pug service while he is banned?

And here I was thinking Ggglygy actually did it.

Agree with everything but the FT fine. Really, unless it's stated in the conduct policy that they aren't allowed to throw a match/not take it seriously, the fine is meh. They can do what they want in their matches. They shouldn't be worried about ESEA getting involved, as the players are paying to play. They shouldn't be worried about anything other than the community and the spectators being super pissed.

my 2 cents

If it's left to the discretion of the admins, then I don't think it's actually that tricky. There's a difference between having your scouts run heavy and sniper on least and having every player on your team play classes that differ from what they'd been all season prior. It shouldn't be too hard for the admins to make a decision, and I think the punishments they levied here were entirely fair.

Edit: That's not to say that all instances of offclassing like FT should receive punishments, but if they're going to alter the seeding going into lan then I think it should be understandable.

PAN SCOUT LEGEND
i remember going through that demo to get timestamps and once he would've killed someone but twitched like 90 degreed away from them right before it hit and he died cause of it
i pay too much attention

and so the real villain was lange all along

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ESEA should really let all invite players play for free without having to pay league fee's and premium if they wish to:

a) Help make TF2 a more legitimate e-sport

b) Mandate penalties and fines for off classing and seed fixing

If you pay for a service, you should have the right to off class as you please and choose to play to win or play to loose. How can you justify telling someone "pay to play in this league but you can't play any class you wish"

Taking away the fee that invite players must play to participate in ESEA will aliviate these problems and allow ESEA more power and and control to mandate such things as fines and penalties, punishment for playing to lose and off classing.

Invite players already get free premium, if they didn't have to pay fees then ESEA would be losing even MORE money on TF2.

fees go towards the prize pot, really
the only "problem" is the way the league is even currently set up right now, once someone's secured a LAN spot they don't have to worry about the rest of the season. that's not necessarily a bad thing, but it's connected to incidents like this, and punishing players for treating their matches insincerely is totally reasonable if they "get away" with it in terms of whether they get to be part of the tournament.

Next time my team loses I'm going to submit a ticket that they threw the match for seedings just so my team has to pay 2.5% for being bad.

if your team was fined for being bad rr- would owe ESEA money

Throwing a match/seed fixing is not in a spirit of fairness and good sportsmanship.

Off-classing should be ok if the teams agree to have a fun match like mix^ and those other guys imo

Teams in professional sports throw games to get the seed they want for the playoffs. This is not something new in esports or real sports for that matter. These teams do not get fined for this.

This is true but I would still argue that it is not good sportsmanship. Which is required by the rules. I don't care either way on the fine. *shrug*

Because generally these teams have 2nd and 3rd-string players they can throw out there to play under the guise of "getting them actual experience", however you don't have that luxury in Invite, see here:

At any one point, you can only have 3 backups playing. Meaning you will have 3 starters out there and if they're not on the expected class you're going to be accused of throwing it away under the current ruleset. In essence Invite is more like Arena Football than traditional American Football, you gotta play both sides of the field all season.