don't forget about 8v8

6V6 was started with CEVO, which held the first TF2 tournament in NA. They had 2 tourney's back to back, an open $1000 and the Sennheiser open (winning team members all received HD350 headsets).

What were the class limits for that? 6v6 was my first competitive format, so it's hard to wrap my brain around how other non-Highlander modes would work.

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i don't know how big of a thing it was but i had some short reading and saw some videos from olde with it

If I remember right, I think animeman created a poll on Gotfrag about it. It was the first big discussion about it. I think the choices were 5v5, 6v6, and maybe one more choice. But yeah, 6v6 won by a mile.

You would still find some teams in beta asking for 5v5 in IRC, but I think people just liked 6v6 more.

So, yeah, animeman I believe.

big animeman aka jaeger
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before that first CEVO tourney there was a lot of back and forth about what the competitive format should be for TF2

I remember a lot of this playing out in irc scrim channels, the main pushes were 8v8 and 6v6...which a few offshoots of 5v5 and 7v7 tried.
I recall 6v6 gaining the most support from a lot of the folks that came over from games like cod and cstrike, whereas a lot of the tfc crowd favored the 8v format. 6's eventually won out and became the defacto standard for getting those early scrims on the basis that 8 people would be too many to travel for competitive LAN's and that it would be too hard to get sponsors for that. So thank those people for the 6v format as they were pretty forward looking.

Class limit wise I seem to recall the initial limits people came up with were a max of 2 per class...as I remember a team using 2 medics on more than one occasion. By the time that first tourney happened I think the medic limit was set at 1, not sure about the demoman..

that's awesome, i figured someone would remember that far back. animeman was great, played a little bit of everything right? was around when coL was really dominate for quite some time

did animeman ever go by a different alias? i could have sworn he was called something else way back when i started getting interested in comp, but every time i try and find out, it doesnt lead anywhere

Even I haven't been around since the very very beginning. I played my first ever comp TF2 scrim while season 2 of cevo was going on. I started playing season 3 of cevo (which was the same time that ESEA picked up TF2 for its first season... Played in both). CAL was also still around and running TF2 then. I'm not sure where 6s was really born but I'm pretty sure it was cevo, or maybe cal

also i forgot to mention TWL, good times

Wow, that's a really good question. I remember playing TWL season 1 ladder but I cannot for the love of me when the switch was made universal. Although, I do recall that TWL had fast attack, and 8v8 running at the same time (pretty sure)

Don't think it was CAL. I remember TGL had 6's for roughneck, but beta tournaments probably fixed it. CEVO ended the discussion afterwards.

I remember TWL had 7's, STA and something else had 8's.

Mithun? I think that was one of his other names (it's his real name anyways).

5v5 fast attack best format

How u been simon

Was it two medics and two demos when it was 8v8? I can't remember.

Man comp. TF2 has changed a lot, even since I started.

Yeah, only demo was restricted to one (at a time when euros still had two demos, silly euros).

I think I also remember the demo playing with the flank over the roamer. I can't be so sure on this though.

STA 8s had no class limits

I know this because I remember 8 demo defense of dustbowl. DEMOLICIOUS

Well that wasn't even that long ago

But yeah, you were allowed two medics then.

the demo limit was 1 for a long time, but then etf2l allowed 2 for 1 season randomly (16 stickies on well gg)

7v7s were the best

Mithun?

that might have been it, thanks

specifically, i just remember watching a cast and one of the casters said something to the effect of "____, now tagged up as animeman on soldier" and i was just wondering if there was something else he was known by

Phaser is so oooolldddd

7v7 seems like it would be the perfect format gameplay-wise to me, because you could have your 7th always playing a utility, but I also feel like it would either be just him/her always playing heavy or it would end up as some retarded "guess what the other team is gonna run and run his counter" sort of thing : /

both teams having a 24/7 sniper could potentially speed up the stalemates because each team would have a pick class.

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phaser do you have any old match screenshots from that first CEVO tourney we played in? I lost mine, was hoping to find the one where we beat fatal1ty + col cs players team. It's my sad personal gaming achievement, lol.

It actually ended up being very slow. But, it's hard to say if it was that the game was new and certain things weren't perfected yet, or the fault of 7v7 format. But I do know that going to 6v6 made the game a much faster format.

But, you have to take in the fact that jumps weren't as efficient, demo played with scouts, solly and demo had 32 shots, so you could spam forever, and things like gunboats weren't around. On the plus side, the game was optimized very well, so my old Athlon ran the game at like 120 FPS.

In the beginning, we tried a lot of different formats and class limits. By the time Season 2 of Cevo rolled around, 6v6 and the current class limits had been finalized. The main difference from current TF2, besides the weapon modifications, was the way we played maps and the rules they were played with.

We played a lot of 2fort, dustbowl, ctf_stronghold, gravelpit, granary with gates...never hydro though.