keep up the good work friend

https://puu.sh/xQltB/6eb6dca621.jpg

3,999 damage in 6:27 mins
mans was doing over 600 dpm on pyro
you cranky baby euros guys are just jealous

I made a handy strawpoll that should settle this debate!

http://www.strawpoll.me/14504273

looks like we should ban pyro from pugs, the community has spoken!

lmao imagine saying that Olgha carrying on pyro is “excessive” offclassing, he’s winning you the pug lmao

pugchamp admins are poo

not all about winning boy, id rather lose and improve than roll someone 5-0 (especially in a pug (especially with a pyro))

I’m glad that you have convinced yourself it’s unfun to play with a pyro kid

i guess my post was unclear, I just meant that it’s not efficient for improving at the game if you have a pyro on your team since in 99% of all the other games there will not be a pyro. otherwise i don’t personally mind having a pyro on my team as long as he is having an impact because if he’s not then its like having a sniper, u have to do more work because it’s 5v6 if he misses.
that being said pugs are just practice games, so you bringing up whether the pyro is winning the pug for u is irrelevant

to be ready for the se7en pyro viaduct forward hold.

I agree that when a pyro is useless in a pug he deserves a ban, just like a sniper or spy. But when he's doing really good it's just because the other team doesn't know how to deal with it.

Let's say Valve will implement everything we use now into matchmaking, how would you explain to players to only use pyro on last but not on the other points? Have an invisible wall from last to second so only scout, soldier, demo and medic can go to second? People are afraid to try new things, even though I have to say the new pyro changes are a bit too good. But the idea of running a full-time pyro shouldn't be a problem.

And if you want to play pugs just to 'practice' or 'have fun', you can also just not pick the players that run pyro? I'm not saying I like that solution but it's the easiest way to prevent full-time pyros in pugs.

https://youtu.be/SEX2a59w18Y

I think gatsan has a point - since we keep saying stuff like pyro is aids, having footage of it being run against high level players successfully would be cool. So record that shit, send to valve, explain them why this is shit. Maybe they will fix.

It's more likely that the other team's scouts are not good enough to deal with the pyro. I mean it's not like you need to study the game for years to devise a strategy to kill pyros, just stay out of his range and have your scouts 2v1 him or play sniper etc. However, that doesn't matter if you don't hit the shots required which is a common issue in pugs.

You can argue that the scouts just need to get good but a lot of the time, the scouts are just soldier/demo/med mains trying to learn another class. It's like a professional basketball player playing with one arm against a team of highschoolers. Yeah you played with one arm and won which is a testament to your skill but you were playing against opponents who are far below your level (sorry I can't think of a better analogy).

I'm only talking about pugs, Valve supporting us with matchmaking is kind of outside the scope of my post.

Let players figure out for themselves what classes are good/bad and as your rank increases, you will get more players who are good at the game, and the players who play pyro outside of appropriate situations will stay at a low rank. It's not like other games aren't able to teach players the intricacies of their game. For example in CS:GO players know to only buy SMGs on anti-eco rounds and to otherwise use the AK/AWP.

Also I already said I don't have a problem with full time pyro so long as he is pulling his weight (other than the fact that it's not good practice if I'm trying to improve).

1.) I don't really like captaining in pugs because I don't know many of the players since I don't pug that frequently.
2.) Even if I did captain, I can't control who the other captain picks.

I thought this thread was gonna be about something else for a change but it was another pyro thread in disguise. I was deceived yet again.

The pyro can be killed by projectiles if you shoot him from behind or the side when he is not actively staring you down. Hitscan "counters" airblast as well. Be smart, then a pyro won't have much of an impact imo. Most classes in TF2 are easiert to kill if they don't see you coming.

That being said, although I have not played pugchamp, in a setting like this you should generally not be too much of an arse and annoy the crap out of everyone by saying "IDC IF ITS AIDS I WANNA WIN". Yes, people are oversensitive when it comes to "offclassing". But if we ever shift towards a offclass-friendlier or even perma-offclass meta then it will take time. Running perma-pyro after an update and proclaiming the Pyro overlord was born will not make anyone acknowledge the mindset of trying different angles.

Banning Olgha was unfortunate nonetheless from what I gather (and I have read all replies to both threads about this) and I am glad he got unbanned.

Olgha, I am very much looking forward to what you can accomplish in our upcoming ETF2L seasons. I legit hope you will be able to find teams to scrim against you and won't face boycott and taunt.

Hope you are all well! Peace and happiness for everyone! (:

The problem isn't if pyro is countered, is if it's fun to counter pyro. And it isn't.

if u hate pyro so much surely countering someone playing pyro would be satisfying?

unless of course you're just frustrated at not being able to counter pyro, like most people in this thread.

https://i.gyazo.com/73d2a54ab297f9724e99298045f166f2.png

get this shit OUT MY GAME soon as posible pls THAKNU

i'm pretty sure pyro can still reflect projectiles shot at it's back by accident

I think doing that will prove the exact opposite of your point : they will conclude(with reason) that this is good for the game to have more used classes and compositions in 6s.

A lot of people are saying run Pyro in matches and then we'll see and that its unnatural to fight in pugs, which it is.

The only thing is that it becomes a vicious cycle where we don't want to face pyros in pugs, so we never have to learn how to face it. There is years of collective experiences and knowledge on fighting bombing soldiers or scouts and demomen, but because this iteration of pyro is so new, it is seemingly obvious that it would be unnatural and weird to play against due to the sheer lack of knowledge surrounding how to properly fight it.

I'm not saying that it is not annoying nor is this necessarily the right time to attempt to induct pyro into the meta, but I think if pyro were to ever become viable, there would always be that period of confusion surrounding its role and how to play/fight it. Because previously pyro was a joke, it was easier to write it off mid pug if the enemy ever used it outside of last, but now due to its increase after the latest update, The Pyro Update, its damage has increased along with its potential making it harder to write off in pugs and forcing people to deal with it.

why dont we have no class limits so we can learn to play against it guys

If people want to play pyro in pugs then they're going to have to be willing to play him in leagues first. Scrims and matches are the best way for people to learn how to counter and play against certain playstyles. Once people start getting the hang of countering pyro, then I feel that it would be ok for him to be allowed full time in pugs. Pugs are too unorganized for pyro to be allowed fully right off the bat, because of how powerful the class is in a semi-chaotic environment.
This needs two things:
The first is that there must be more teams willing to run a pyro full time over the course of a season, and Olgha's team and a team in TFCL are the only two I can think of.
The second is that people must express the opinion that pyro is fine to face after facing these teams, which is the hardest hurdle to get over, as that class is still annoying as fuck to face even when you're beating it.

well it would have to be accompanied with some decent arguments for the skill imbalance between using pyro and using the generalists (i.e. similar output with very little skill) but you're right that valve might not understand those unless they're very carefully phrased.

eeee i am olgha :DD i like to play eeeee piro clas??? :DDDD it is eee very good and fun :DDD

https://clips.twitch.tv/FrailScarySword4Head

guess you won that argument

they changed the airblast hitbox though.

https://youtu.be/qAu6kAe3QHY?t=57s

2:37 of that video ROFL

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