So I'm going to be upgrading my CPU soon and I need some advice. Should I go ahead and buy another (faster and better) Ivy Bridge or is Sandy Bridge better for the money/performance? Also this will be for streaming.
Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge?
posted in
TF2 General Discussion
So I'm going to be upgrading my CPU soon and I need some advice. Should I go ahead and buy another (faster and better) Ivy Bridge or is Sandy Bridge better for the money/performance? Also this will be for streaming.
If you can afford to wait, Intel's next gen (Haswell) parts are going to come out soon. Otherwise go for the Ivy Bridge
If you can afford to wait, Intel's next gen (Haswell) parts are going to come out soon. Otherwise go for the Ivy Bridge
A friend of mine is doing the same thing he just opted to wait 2 years when they will be 100% faster than the ones out right now so maybe you could wait, but if you want it now I'd go with ivy
A friend of mine is doing the same thing he just opted to wait 2 years when they will be 100% faster than the ones out right now so maybe you could wait, but if you want it now I'd go with ivy
Streaming? Perhaps this is useful:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgrreMlF5qoRdGVXTlRmUzNlUGUxc2lvTjdTT240NWc#gid=0
Streaming? Perhaps this is useful:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgrreMlF5qoRdGVXTlRmUzNlUGUxc2lvTjdTT240NWc#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgrreMlF5qoRdGVXTlRmUzNlUGUxc2lvTjdTT240NWc#gid=0
I would never trust a bridge made out of sand. Though, to be honest, I don't think I'd trust one made out of plants either.
WHERE THE REINFORCED CONCRETE BRIDGES BE AT?
I would never trust a bridge made out of sand. Though, to be honest, I don't think I'd trust one made out of plants either.
WHERE THE REINFORCED CONCRETE BRIDGES BE AT?
WHERE THE REINFORCED CONCRETE BRIDGES BE AT?
Haswell will be out early June, I wouldn't expect huge leaps in performance over Ivy clock for clock (5-15%) but it would be enough to wait those few months for, at least to see the benchmarks coming out and how well it overclocks.
Either way you'll want to opt for an i7 if you really want to maximize streaming capability.
Haswell will be out early June, I wouldn't expect huge leaps in performance over Ivy clock for clock (5-15%) but it would be enough to wait those few months for, at least to see the benchmarks coming out and how well it overclocks.
Either way you'll want to opt for an i7 if you really want to maximize streaming capability.
Either way you'll want to opt for an i7 if you really want to maximize streaming capability.
And now I feel I must upgrade from my 3930k when Haswell comes out :|
And now I feel I must upgrade from my 3930k when Haswell comes out :|
If you are going to buy a new Socket 1155 CPU today, there is no reason not to buy a Sandy Bridge. i5 3570K is the clear winner on bang-for-buck, but if you feel like splashing out the i7 3770K is a good buy and you're definitely getting a real noticeable improvement for the extra cash.
However what I'd say is why? Like, why are you buying a new CPU now? If you have a sandybridge chip, your PC can't be that old. if the rate of improvement from Nehalem -> Sandy -> Ivy is anything to go by, you'll be kicking yourself for upgrading now when Haswell comes out. June this year is apparently the projected launch date.
Going from Sandy to Ivy definitely isn't worth the cash, but Sandy to Haswell probably will be.
KBlairStreaming? Perhaps this is useful:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgrreMlF5qoRdGVXTlRmUzNlUGUxc2lvTjdTT240NWc#gid=0
I know it's not yours but fuck this graph. I've seen it posted all over the net and its a load of fucking turd. Nobody in their right mind would ever use those bitrate suggestions (14,000kbps? What the actual fuck)
If you are going to buy a new Socket 1155 CPU today, there is no reason not to buy a Sandy Bridge. i5 3570K is the clear winner on bang-for-buck, but if you feel like splashing out the i7 3770K is a good buy and you're definitely getting a real noticeable improvement for the extra cash.
However what I'd say is why? Like, why are you buying a new CPU now? If you have a sandybridge chip, your PC can't be that old. if the rate of improvement from Nehalem -> Sandy -> Ivy is anything to go by, you'll be kicking yourself for upgrading now when Haswell comes out. June this year is apparently the projected launch date.
Going from Sandy to Ivy definitely isn't worth the cash, but Sandy to Haswell probably will be.
[quote=KBlair]Streaming? Perhaps this is useful:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgrreMlF5qoRdGVXTlRmUzNlUGUxc2lvTjdTT240NWc#gid=0[/quote]
I know it's not yours but fuck this graph. I've seen it posted all over the net and its a load of fucking turd. Nobody in their right mind would ever use those bitrate suggestions (14,000kbps? What the actual fuck)
However what I'd say is why? Like, why are you buying a new CPU now? If you have a sandybridge chip, your PC can't be that old. if the rate of improvement from Nehalem -> Sandy -> Ivy is anything to go by, you'll be kicking yourself for upgrading now when Haswell comes out. June this year is apparently the projected launch date.
Going from Sandy to Ivy definitely isn't worth the cash, but Sandy to Haswell probably will be.
[quote=KBlair]Streaming? Perhaps this is useful:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgrreMlF5qoRdGVXTlRmUzNlUGUxc2lvTjdTT240NWc#gid=0[/quote]
I know it's not yours but fuck this graph. I've seen it posted all over the net and its a load of fucking turd. Nobody in their right mind would ever use those bitrate suggestions (14,000kbps? What the actual fuck)
KissmeAnd now I feel I must upgrade from my 3930k when Haswell comes out :|
From 3930k? Unless you are fretting about power consumption you really shouldn't. 3930k is pretty beast. Haswell is mostly targeted towards mobile and efficiency rather than high end desktop performance. That won't change until Haswell-E comes out which is probably a year later.
[quote=Kissme]And now I feel I must upgrade from my 3930k when Haswell comes out :|[/quote]
From 3930k? Unless you are fretting about power consumption you really shouldn't. 3930k is pretty beast. Haswell is mostly targeted towards mobile and efficiency rather than high end desktop performance. That won't change until Haswell-E comes out which is probably a year later.
From 3930k? Unless you are fretting about power consumption you really shouldn't. 3930k is pretty beast. Haswell is mostly targeted towards mobile and efficiency rather than high end desktop performance. That won't change until Haswell-E comes out which is probably a year later.
PheeshKissmeAnd now I feel I must upgrade from my 3930k when Haswell comes out :|
From 3930k? Unless you are fretting about power consumption you really shouldn't. 3930k is pretty beast. Haswell is mostly targeted towards mobile and efficiency rather than high end desktop performance. That won't change until Haswell-E comes out which is probably a year later.
Ah, I haven't really read up on the Haswell's. Thought they were going to be the newer Ivy's.
[quote=Pheesh][quote=Kissme]And now I feel I must upgrade from my 3930k when Haswell comes out :|[/quote]
From 3930k? Unless you are fretting about power consumption you really shouldn't. 3930k is pretty beast. Haswell is mostly targeted towards mobile and efficiency rather than high end desktop performance. That won't change until Haswell-E comes out which is probably a year later.[/quote]
Ah, I haven't really read up on the Haswell's. Thought they were going to be the newer Ivy's.
From 3930k? Unless you are fretting about power consumption you really shouldn't. 3930k is pretty beast. Haswell is mostly targeted towards mobile and efficiency rather than high end desktop performance. That won't change until Haswell-E comes out which is probably a year later.[/quote]
Ah, I haven't really read up on the Haswell's. Thought they were going to be the newer Ivy's.
A few people tested 3570k vs 3770k vs FX 8350 and the FX won in streaming against both v because of the extra cores. W/o streaming games the FX tied with the 3570k. Tek syndicate did the stream tests and Nicholas 11x12 did the other comparison. This is kind of
on a tangent to the original question, but I thought it might be some good info to have.
A few people tested 3570k vs 3770k vs FX 8350 and the FX won in streaming against both v because of the extra cores. W/o streaming games the FX tied with the 3570k. Tek syndicate did the stream tests and Nicholas 11x12 did the other comparison. This is kind of
on a tangent to the original question, but I thought it might be some good info to have.
on a tangent to the original question, but I thought it might be some good info to have.
KissmePheeshKissmeAnd now I feel I must upgrade from my 3930k when Haswell comes out :|
From 3930k? Unless you are fretting about power consumption you really shouldn't. 3930k is pretty beast. Haswell is mostly targeted towards mobile and efficiency rather than high end desktop performance. That won't change until Haswell-E comes out which is probably a year later.
Ah, I haven't really read up on the Haswell's. Thought they were going to be the newer Ivy's.
They are the newer ivy's, but there's a couple different product lines to keep in mind.
What you have, the 3930K, is based on the xeon server products which have a different schedule than the mainstream desktop products. (it's based on a die that has more cores, that's how you have a 6 core part).
As an example an Ivy bridge product has still not been released on socket 2011 for xeon server products yet, even though Haswell for mainstream desktop/mobile is going to be releasing in a few months.
Your chip would be referred to as Sandy Bridge-E, Ivy Bridge-E hasn't even released yet, and Haswell-E would be the follow-on. Assuming you want to keep a 6 core setup you probably won't have a reason to upgrade until Haswell-E, which is probably not till late 2014.
[quote=Kissme][quote=Pheesh][quote=Kissme]And now I feel I must upgrade from my 3930k when Haswell comes out :|[/quote]
From 3930k? Unless you are fretting about power consumption you really shouldn't. 3930k is pretty beast. Haswell is mostly targeted towards mobile and efficiency rather than high end desktop performance. That won't change until Haswell-E comes out which is probably a year later.[/quote]
Ah, I haven't really read up on the Haswell's. Thought they were going to be the newer Ivy's.[/quote]
They are the newer ivy's, but there's a couple different product lines to keep in mind.
What you have, the 3930K, is based on the xeon server products which have a different schedule than the mainstream desktop products. (it's based on a die that has more cores, that's how you have a 6 core part).
As an example an Ivy bridge product has still not been released on socket 2011 for xeon server products yet, even though Haswell for mainstream desktop/mobile is going to be releasing in a few months.
Your chip would be referred to as Sandy Bridge-E, Ivy Bridge-E hasn't even released yet, and Haswell-E would be the follow-on. Assuming you want to keep a 6 core setup you probably won't have a reason to upgrade until Haswell-E, which is probably not till late 2014.
From 3930k? Unless you are fretting about power consumption you really shouldn't. 3930k is pretty beast. Haswell is mostly targeted towards mobile and efficiency rather than high end desktop performance. That won't change until Haswell-E comes out which is probably a year later.[/quote]
Ah, I haven't really read up on the Haswell's. Thought they were going to be the newer Ivy's.[/quote]
They are the newer ivy's, but there's a couple different product lines to keep in mind.
What you have, the 3930K, is based on the xeon server products which have a different schedule than the mainstream desktop products. (it's based on a die that has more cores, that's how you have a 6 core part).
As an example an Ivy bridge product has still not been released on socket 2011 for xeon server products yet, even though Haswell for mainstream desktop/mobile is going to be releasing in a few months.
Your chip would be referred to as Sandy Bridge-E, Ivy Bridge-E hasn't even released yet, and Haswell-E would be the follow-on. Assuming you want to keep a 6 core setup you probably won't have a reason to upgrade until Haswell-E, which is probably not till late 2014.
PheeshKissmeThey are the newer ivy's, but there's a couple different product lines to keep in mind.PheeshKissmeAnd now I feel I must upgrade from my 3930k when Haswell comes out :|
From 3930k? Unless you are fretting about power consumption you really shouldn't. 3930k is pretty beast. Haswell is mostly targeted towards mobile and efficiency rather than high end desktop performance. That won't change until Haswell-E comes out which is probably a year later.
Ah, I haven't really read up on the Haswell's. Thought they were going to be the newer Ivy's.
What you have, the 3930K, is based on the xeon server products which have a different schedule than the mainstream desktop products. (it's based on a die that has more cores, that's how you have a 6 core part).
As an example an Ivy bridge product has still not been released on socket 2011 for xeon server products yet, even though Haswell for mainstream desktop/mobile is going to be releasing in a few months.
Your chip would be referred to as Sandy Bridge-E, Ivy Bridge-E hasn't even released yet, and Haswell-E would be the follow-on. Assuming you want to keep a 6 core setup you probably won't have a reason to upgrade until Haswell-E, which is probably not till late 2014.
Ah, I was assuming that the Ivy-E would be the last we'd see of the E-series being the 6 cores. Thought Haswell would come with 6 cores standard and then the E-series would be 8 cores. I haven't been following technology lately, been le lazy.
Guess Intel doesn't want to stray from 4 core standard, but they like to perfect the art of their cores before just adding on a billion lesser cores *cough AMD* :3
[quote=Pheesh][quote=Kissme][quote=Pheesh][quote=Kissme]And now I feel I must upgrade from my 3930k when Haswell comes out :|[/quote]
From 3930k? Unless you are fretting about power consumption you really shouldn't. 3930k is pretty beast. Haswell is mostly targeted towards mobile and efficiency rather than high end desktop performance. That won't change until Haswell-E comes out which is probably a year later.[/quote]
Ah, I haven't really read up on the Haswell's. Thought they were going to be the newer Ivy's.[/quote]
They are the newer ivy's, but there's a couple different product lines to keep in mind.
What you have, the 3930K, is based on the xeon server products which have a different schedule than the mainstream desktop products. (it's based on a die that has more cores, that's how you have a 6 core part).
As an example an Ivy bridge product has still not been released on socket 2011 for xeon server products yet, even though Haswell for mainstream desktop/mobile is going to be releasing in a few months.
Your chip would be referred to as Sandy Bridge-E, Ivy Bridge-E hasn't even released yet, and Haswell-E would be the follow-on. Assuming you want to keep a 6 core setup you probably won't have a reason to upgrade until Haswell-E, which is probably not till late 2014.[/quote]
Ah, I was assuming that the Ivy-E would be the last we'd see of the E-series being the 6 cores. Thought Haswell would come with 6 cores standard and then the E-series would be 8 cores. I haven't been following technology lately, been le lazy.
Guess Intel doesn't want to stray from 4 core standard, but they like to perfect the art of their cores before just adding on a billion lesser cores *cough AMD* :3
From 3930k? Unless you are fretting about power consumption you really shouldn't. 3930k is pretty beast. Haswell is mostly targeted towards mobile and efficiency rather than high end desktop performance. That won't change until Haswell-E comes out which is probably a year later.[/quote]
Ah, I haven't really read up on the Haswell's. Thought they were going to be the newer Ivy's.[/quote]
They are the newer ivy's, but there's a couple different product lines to keep in mind.
What you have, the 3930K, is based on the xeon server products which have a different schedule than the mainstream desktop products. (it's based on a die that has more cores, that's how you have a 6 core part).
As an example an Ivy bridge product has still not been released on socket 2011 for xeon server products yet, even though Haswell for mainstream desktop/mobile is going to be releasing in a few months.
Your chip would be referred to as Sandy Bridge-E, Ivy Bridge-E hasn't even released yet, and Haswell-E would be the follow-on. Assuming you want to keep a 6 core setup you probably won't have a reason to upgrade until Haswell-E, which is probably not till late 2014.[/quote]
Ah, I was assuming that the Ivy-E would be the last we'd see of the E-series being the 6 cores. Thought Haswell would come with 6 cores standard and then the E-series would be 8 cores. I haven't been following technology lately, been le lazy.
Guess Intel doesn't want to stray from 4 core standard, but they like to perfect the art of their cores before just adding on a billion lesser cores *cough AMD* :3
Get a 3770k and skip haswell. The performance jump will be minimal, and upon launch it'll probably be slightly more expensive.
Get a 3770k and skip haswell. The performance jump will be minimal, and upon launch it'll probably be slightly more expensive.
I upgraded to the i5 3570K recently and it's awesome. Definitely the best value you'll find for great performance for a nice price.
I upgraded to the i5 3570K recently and it's awesome. Definitely the best value you'll find for great performance for a nice price.
which processor do you have atm? the 3570k is pretty cheap right now and i'm pretty sure haswell will be expensive when it comes out. Haswell isn't going to be that much better than ivy so i don't recommend waiting for it. I'm going for the ivy even if haswell comes out.
which processor do you have atm? the 3570k is pretty cheap right now and i'm pretty sure haswell will be expensive when it comes out. Haswell isn't going to be that much better than ivy so i don't recommend waiting for it. I'm going for the ivy even if haswell comes out.
From what I've seen, the Haswell isn't going to be worth it right away. I'll probably go for an i5 3570k myself.
From what I've seen, the Haswell isn't going to be worth it right away. I'll probably go for an i5 3570k myself.
usually the new gen debuts at the same price point and the old gen drops about 20 bucks or so, but the retailers are probably going to inflate their margin on those first HSW parts. You might be able to get the 3570k for a little cheaper when HSW comes out.
usually the new gen debuts at the same price point and the old gen drops about 20 bucks or so, but the retailers are probably going to inflate their margin on those first HSW parts. You might be able to get the 3570k for a little cheaper when HSW comes out.
When haswell comes out, will we need to wait a few extra months for hype to die down (and prices too), in other words, will it still be better value to get an ivy bridge or are the prices stable once the haswell cpus come out?
When haswell comes out, will we need to wait a few extra months for hype to die down (and prices too), in other words, will it still be better value to get an ivy bridge or are the prices stable once the haswell cpus come out?
3570k or 3770k. Like many others mentioned, performance gain from Haswell is minimal. You would also need a new mobo for Haswell's LGA 1150 anyways and I just don't see the extra 200$+ justifying the minimal performance gain. (Unless you don't have a LGA1155 mobo right now.)
3570k or 3770k. Like many others mentioned, performance gain from Haswell is minimal. You would also need a new mobo for Haswell's LGA 1150 anyways and I just don't see the extra 200$+ justifying the minimal performance gain. (Unless you don't have a LGA1155 mobo right now.)
snail3570k or 3770k. Like many others mentioned, performance gain from Haswell is minimal. You would also need a new mobo for Haswell's LGA 1150 anyways and I just don't see the extra 200$+ justifying the minimal performance gain. (Unless you don't have a LGA1155 mobo right now.)
i really don't understand why people on gaming forums recommend the i7 at all. The i5 is just as good as the i7 as they have the same technology, the i7 just has hyperthreading which is useless for gaming. why spend an extra $100+
[quote=snail]3570k or 3770k. Like many others mentioned, performance gain from Haswell is minimal. You would also need a new mobo for Haswell's LGA 1150 anyways and I just don't see the extra 200$+ justifying the minimal performance gain. (Unless you don't have a LGA1155 mobo right now.)[/quote]
i really don't understand why people on gaming forums recommend the i7 at all. The i5 is just as good as the i7 as they have the same technology, the i7 just has hyperthreading which is useless for gaming. why spend an extra $100+
i really don't understand why people on gaming forums recommend the i7 at all. The i5 is just as good as the i7 as they have the same technology, the i7 just has hyperthreading which is useless for gaming. why spend an extra $100+
I have a 3570k. Lets not turn this into a i5 vs i7 thread.
I have a 3570k. Lets not turn this into a i5 vs i7 thread.
Oblivionagesnail3570k or 3770k. Like many others mentioned, performance gain from Haswell is minimal. You would also need a new mobo for Haswell's LGA 1150 anyways and I just don't see the extra 200$+ justifying the minimal performance gain. (Unless you don't have a LGA1155 mobo right now.)
i really don't understand why people on gaming forums recommend the i7 at all. The i5 is just as good as the i7 as they have the same technology, the i7 just has hyperthreading which is useless for gaming. why spend an extra $100+
Nobody does that here. People only recommend i7's if you plan to do really CPU intensive stuff like streaming or rendering and stuff. Even then, i5's are still pretty good. Games only need i5's unless you want to dump the extra money for a marginal boost.
[quote=Oblivionage][quote=snail]3570k or 3770k. Like many others mentioned, performance gain from Haswell is minimal. You would also need a new mobo for Haswell's LGA 1150 anyways and I just don't see the extra 200$+ justifying the minimal performance gain. (Unless you don't have a LGA1155 mobo right now.)[/quote]
i really don't understand why people on gaming forums recommend the i7 at all. The i5 is just as good as the i7 as they have the same technology, the i7 just has hyperthreading which is useless for gaming. why spend an extra $100+[/quote]
Nobody does that here. People only recommend i7's if you plan to do really CPU intensive stuff like streaming or rendering and stuff. Even then, i5's are still pretty good. Games only need i5's unless you want to dump the extra money for a marginal boost.
i really don't understand why people on gaming forums recommend the i7 at all. The i5 is just as good as the i7 as they have the same technology, the i7 just has hyperthreading which is useless for gaming. why spend an extra $100+[/quote]
Nobody does that here. People only recommend i7's if you plan to do really CPU intensive stuff like streaming or rendering and stuff. Even then, i5's are still pretty good. Games only need i5's unless you want to dump the extra money for a marginal boost.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Tick-Tock
Ivy Bridge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Tick-Tock
Ivy Bridge.
Ivy Bridge.
Please
sign in through STEAM
to post a comment.