hi dumpster

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This is a legitimate research venture, I would like to simply see what the TF community thinks.

whys it always russians who start some shit

You may be confusing sex and gender if you think there are only two genders. Gender is your traits that come from masculinity/femininity and hence it is on a spectrum. Sex is the entirely biological aspect and is what you would consider traditionally to have two states: male and female.

https://gyazo.com/12ef6444f37ae1a625beae94892d66bf

Sex and gender are synonymous, you cannot divide a category of biology into two separate categories. I am not denying the idea of other genders/sexes but as of now there are two; Male and Female. Now if you want to get technical we can talk about hermaphrodites and transvestites but at the end of the day they choose a single gender/sex and they make up a minuscule number of society. You can identify as whatever you want, you deserve to be happy, and I will respect your choice.

so nice of you thanks a lot

https://i.imgur.com/q1zlb0P.png

honestly using the google definition when there's been countless studies about what gender really means is intellectually lazy.
Check this for starters if you don't believe me : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction

i'm not into the nonbinary thing but we obviously have gained a wider and more in depth understanding of this since that definition was thought up so i don't see how that proves a point? shouldn't words be adapted to our contemporary ideas rather than the other way around?

normally with this question I expect to get called an SJW for any answer other than "I hate trannies"

If the definition is incorrect then have it changed. I do not think this is "intellectually lazy" but a simple use of a dictionary?

https://gyazo.com/e61b0c74a4c39f22ce90387d9b00e06d - Merriam-Webster
https://gyazo.com/c31d23a972dd5496b3e2eb315685bf0f - Vocabulary.com
https://gyazo.com/00bd1a5ae9aeb041b18ee609c222a67d - Oxford Dictionaries
https://gyazo.com/18c22aa1fbe4491e435160605aa7d2cf - Cambridge Dictionaries

The list goes on and on, even within the article you linked (wikipedia lol) it states that gender and sex are synonyms and can be used interchangeably. https://gyazo.com/4d3dd815a57067a266e2c041270038f5

I am not here to degrade anyone, I would like this to be a nice thread where we can have dialogue. Not shut someone down for having differing ideologies, I like to hear what the people like to say, and I learn a lot of dialect such as this.

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Words change definition yes, so then why haven't we changed these definitions? I looked at 5 different dictionary sources and they all list sex under synonymous for gender. I'd be glad to look at even more but these are very prestigious companies that have been around much longer than this debate has existed.

how is this a shit post? why would I put so much effort into learning about what people have to say?

Russians should be counted into a category of their own

Y'all are so savage to Russians, what did we ever do to you ;~;

gender: russian

did you not understand the first part of that sentence? you can scroll down to feminism and genderqueer or look at the genderqueer wikipedia page, but you're right that wikipedia isn't really going to have the most useful information

i don't know, the psychological community and the people who make dictionaries are different entities, if you wanted up to date information on psychology which one would you ask? the latter is more likely interested in consensus and acceptance rather than actually exploring and researching the subject

again i don't know much about it but you should probably have more of an argument than a definition

But the argument is the definition and the fact is there are two sub-categories of biological humans; Males and Females. If the psychological community and the people who make dictionaries are different factions (most of these companies are progressive and left leaning companies) then you'd think they'd atleast make the effort to change the definition. Then why is it that multiple dictionaries have almost identical definitions? You'd think that there'd be some respectable well-known dictionary that would get behind the notion that gender is a spectrum and sex is completely different from gender, right?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender
https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=gender
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/gender
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I can give more examples of dictionaries giving the new definition, but that's really not the point. Even through basic intuition, you can realize that no one fits perfectly into the two traditional gender roles.

Look, if your point is "it's not in the dictionary, then it's not true" you can fuck off. The wikipedia pages linked above provides good starting points, but I get the feeling that you are only here to nitpick unimportant stuff while ignoring scientific evidence.

yes that's a fact, but the distinction is being made between gender and sex as biological and cultural/social differences, which is even included in your definitions

because they're interested in consensus and widely accepted use of the word, there's certainly debate around genderqueer stuff, so i don't know if they're interested in picking a side
it just isn't an argument, do you think psychologists looking into this would pick up a dictionary and go "ah well i guess we gotta stop doing research because this definition is limited"

I don't get why we have to have a bloody label for everything just be yourself lmao. You can be a more effeminate guy or a more masculine girl, you don't need 200 bs terms to describe it

It honestly baffles me how much people care to present themselves as a bunch of adjectives about their race sexuality gender nationality interests or whatever the fuck else instead of presenting themselves as a human being that has more depth of character than a few epithets can convey

Yes, but culturally each of the sexes have different jobs within society, if we look at Middle-Eastern culture we see that women aren't on the same ground as men. Women are seen as property and are degraded just because of their sex. The only reason they are being discriminated against is because they are women and because on average women are biologically seen as the weaker sex.

If they're not interested in picking a side then that means that there is no hardcore proof that there is more that two genders, does it not? I'm glad that research hasn't stopped just because of there being no evidence, I want the psychologists and gender scientists to finally crack the case.

This is my view exactly. Why is it that people can't be happy being them? You have every right to be happy and I'm sure that if you want to identify as the opposite gender friends/teammates would be obliged to respect your wishes. There doesn't have to be millions upon millions of genders just to describe a single human, because at the end of the day, no matter black, brown, white, yellow, male, female, transgender, gender fluid, or any thing within the technicolor rainbow, we are all still human.

lacking consensus, and having debate, doesn't mean that there isn't evidence or credibility behind it, i'm sure plenty of people have arguments to make, i just don't think you've actually looked at any and thought a dictionary definition would be a solid argument

i don't think all nonbinary people want to identify as treegender or a bunch of other things, i think they more or less agree with you that who you are as a person shouldn't be confined to certain labels, which in their case would be a man/woman

All these dictionaries are simply a descriptive tool on how language is being used. They don't really hold any authority (apart from maybe a game of scrabble but that's literally just for spelling/what is and isn't a word) and they definitely don't attempt to. They just set out to give definitions of how people are using the words not to tell you how to use them.