As of the 9th of February 2018, ETF2L have revoked the rule about using wall bugs! Now only the product wallbug is banned.
Yesterday ETF2L announced changes to bug abuse rules, including the ban of wall bugs.
One of the best and most enjoyable things about TF2 is it's movement and ability to abuse mechanics to give an advantage, such as surfing ramps to negate fall damage or maintain velocity. It's what makes this game special and different from others.
Seeing something unique and new in a game of TF2 gets people excited. I did a wall bug in a casted game at the ESU Rumble in Sweden and it created a lot of discussion, people coming up to me talking about it etc.
Wall bugs are a mechanic that falls into this category of skilful movement to give an advantage, pulling a successful wall bug and getting a nice play out of it is incredibly satisfying and really feels like you've out brained your enemies. Hiding spots are an essential part of TF2, every pocket has to know all the spots and check them, wall bugs adds more variety and fun to hiding spots.
tl;dr I like wall bugs and am salty they are now banned
edit: something i just thought about is wall bugs can happen accidentally
[b][u][h]As of the 9th of February 2018, ETF2L have revoked the rule about using wall bugs! Now only the product wallbug is banned.[/h][/u][/b]
Yesterday ETF2L announced changes to bug abuse rules, including the ban of wall bugs.
One of the best and most enjoyable things about TF2 is it's movement and ability to abuse mechanics to give an advantage, such as surfing ramps to negate fall damage or maintain velocity. It's what makes this game special and different from others.
Seeing something unique and new in a game of TF2 gets people excited. I did a wall bug in a casted game at the ESU Rumble in Sweden and it created a lot of discussion, people coming up to me talking about it etc.
Wall bugs are a mechanic that falls into this category of skilful movement to give an advantage, pulling a successful wall bug and getting a nice play out of it is incredibly satisfying and really feels like you've out brained your enemies. Hiding spots are an essential part of TF2, every pocket has to know all the spots and check them, wall bugs adds more variety and fun to hiding spots.
tl;dr I like wall bugs and am salty they are now banned
edit: something i just thought about is wall bugs can happen accidentally
what if you accidentally get surfed and sweep past a wallbug spot or you happen to be spamming adadadadadadadadad? do you get instantly banned before you even know what happened???
what if you accidentally get surfed and sweep past a wallbug spot or you happen to be spamming adadadadadadadadad? do you get instantly banned before you even know what happened???
This is a stupid rule even disregarding accidentally doing it. Valve has killed more than enough hiding spots without anyone else's help.
This is a stupid rule even disregarding accidentally doing it. Valve has killed more than enough hiding spots without anyone else's help.
driftawhat if you accidentally get surfed and sweep past a wallbug spot or you happen to be spamming adadadadadadadadad? do you get instantly banned before you even know what happened???
If someone wallbugs and it gets reported to us, we'll obviously look at it and judge if it was done deliberately or not
[quote=drifta]what if you accidentally get surfed and sweep past a wallbug spot or you happen to be spamming adadadadadadadadad? do you get instantly banned before you even know what happened???[/quote]
If someone wallbugs and it gets reported to us, we'll obviously look at it and judge if it was done deliberately or not
I fail to see how it's in any way a skill-based thing. Also how do you "out-brain" someone that can't be aware of a bug on a map?
Still dumb to ban it. How do you even enforce such a thing.
I fail to see how it's in any way a skill-based thing. Also how do you "out-brain" someone that can't be aware of a bug on a map?
Still dumb to ban it. How do you even enforce such a thing.
it's been punishable for at least 10 season now though, since i asked the admins about this back in season 18
usage of bugs (hehe 7) has always been stated to be punishable in the rules anyway and the name of this is literally wallbugging, really makes you think
i also reported you for abusing it in season 25 but unfortunately you didnt get punished because you lost the match anyway
it's been punishable for at least 10 season now though, since i asked the admins about this back in season 18
usage of bugs (hehe 7) has always been stated to be punishable in the rules anyway and the name of this is literally wallbugging, really makes you think
i also reported you for abusing it in season 25 but unfortunately you didnt get punished because you lost the match anyway
its an exploit of the engine so it should be punished
its an exploit of the engine so it should be punished
KissakalaI fail to see how it's in any way a skill-based thing. Also how do you "out-brain" someone that can't be aware of a bug on a map?
Still dumb to ban it. How do you even enforce such a thing.
wall bugs aren't always easy to perform. a definition of out brain someone is to out smart someone, so if they are unaware you are still out smarting them.
and it is pretty easy to enforce, just submit demo and tick and AC team can see the player doing it quite clearly.
Muukii also reported you for abusing it in season 25 but unfortunately you didnt get punished because you lost the match anyway
that is hilarious
[quote=Kissakala]I fail to see how it's in any way a skill-based thing. Also how do you "out-brain" someone that can't be aware of a bug on a map?
Still dumb to ban it. How do you even enforce such a thing.[/quote]
wall bugs aren't always easy to perform. a definition of out brain someone is to out smart someone, so if they are unaware you are still out smarting them.
and it is pretty easy to enforce, just submit demo and tick and AC team can see the player doing it quite clearly.
[quote=Muuki]i also reported you for abusing it in season 25 but unfortunately you didnt get punished because you lost the match anyway[/quote]
that is hilarious
Jynxiiits an exploit of the engine so it should be punished
r u for real
[quote=Jynxii]its an exploit of the engine so it should be punished[/quote]
r u for real
I dont think something that can be done so easily/accidentally should be bannable :/
"oh look your solly got stuck in the corner after being airshot, i guess we get default haha"
I dont think something that can be done so easily/accidentally should be bannable :/
"oh look your solly got stuck in the corner after being airshot, i guess we get default haha"
its a joke that etf2l rules have a blanket ban on all bugs, each bug should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis to see if they actually harm the game (does having a wallbug spot you can hide on once or twice really warrant a ban?)
plus many accepted game mechanics would probably already be considered “bugs”. how are people supposed to interpret a rule that places a blanket ban on bugs with no specifics
its a joke that etf2l rules have a blanket ban on all bugs, each bug should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis to see if they actually harm the game (does having a wallbug spot you can hide on once or twice really warrant a ban?)
plus many accepted game mechanics would probably already be considered “bugs”. how are people supposed to interpret a rule that places a blanket ban on bugs with no specifics
sageI dont think something that can be done so easily/accidentally should be bannable :/
"oh look your solly got stuck in the corner after being airshot, i guess we get default haha"
trippaits a joke that etf2l has a blanket ban on bugs honestly, bugs should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis to see if they actually harm the game (does having a wallbug spot you can hide on once or twice really warrant a ban?)
Mentydrifta...
If someone wallbugs and it gets reported to us, we'll obviously look at it and judge if it was done deliberately or not
[quote=sage]I dont think something that can be done so easily/accidentally should be bannable :/
"oh look your solly got stuck in the corner after being airshot, i guess we get default haha"[/quote]
[quote=trippa]its a joke that etf2l has a blanket ban on bugs honestly, bugs should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis to see if they actually harm the game (does having a wallbug spot you can hide on once or twice really warrant a ban?)[/quote]
[quote=Menty][quote=drifta]...[/quote]
If someone wallbugs and it gets reported to us, we'll obviously look at it and judge if it was done deliberately or not[/quote]
Let's ban speedshots while we're at it, I'm pretty sure those are an engine exploit aswell. Or do we just arbitrarily pick engine exploits that are allowed or not allowed? There's very few spots where a wallbug is even useful, I don't see the point in banning the use of it.
Let's ban speedshots while we're at it, I'm pretty sure those are an engine exploit aswell. Or do we just arbitrarily pick engine exploits that are allowed or not allowed? There's very few spots where a wallbug is even useful, I don't see the point in banning the use of it.
No more ctaps as well please
No more ctaps as well please
just look up dudes, no need to ban this
just look up dudes, no need to ban this
if hovering mysteriously near a wear is banned lets ban that spot on gullywash second way above forward spawn
if hovering mysteriously near a wear is banned lets ban that spot on gullywash second way above forward spawn
Alfieif hovering mysteriously near a wear is banned lets ban that spot on gullywash second way above forward spawn
delete this
[quote=Alfie]if hovering mysteriously near a wear is banned lets ban that spot on gullywash second way above forward spawn[/quote]
delete this
No more Pyro either please, it's clearly exploiting the engine when you flail your mouse around to do more damage.
No more Pyro either please, it's clearly exploiting the engine when you flail your mouse around to do more damage.
I mean you can hover in mid air on product and see onto point to get info on the enemies' hold without being able to be damaged?????
I mean you can hover in mid air on product and see onto point to get info on the enemies' hold without being able to be damaged?????
I may be misinformed on what constitutes a wall bug
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isn't that when you hit the sweet spot while touching a wall and it stops all momentum?
if you're using a wall bug to surprise someone walking through an entrance, that's one thing,
but using it to mitigate fall damage (on places like granary mid for example), that seems completely fair
I may be misinformed on what constitutes a wall bug [spoiler]isn't that when you hit the sweet spot while touching a wall and it stops all momentum?[/spoiler]
if you're using a wall bug to surprise someone walking through an entrance, that's one thing,
but using it to mitigate fall damage (on places like granary mid for example), that seems completely fair
Jynxiiits an exploit of the engine so it should be punished
Explosive jumping and the entire spy class are also engine exploits.
[quote=Jynxii]its an exploit of the engine so it should be punished[/quote]
Explosive jumping and the entire spy class are also engine exploits.
Muukii also reported you for abusing it in season 25 but unfortunately you didnt get punished because you lost the match anyway
wish ppl could have reported ur team for abusing whitelist x-D
[quote=Muuki]
i also reported you for abusing it in season 25 but unfortunately you didnt get punished because you lost the match anyway[/quote]
wish ppl could have reported ur team for abusing whitelist x-D
are edgebugs banned too lmao?
are edgebugs banned too lmao?
-protospeedshots and edgebugs are bugs, are they banned lmao?
Well this is what the post actually says:
ETF2LFurthermore, we’re also publishing a list of known bugged spots on various maps that will be added to the already existing Bug-Using rule. If players find any ulterior spots that could be considered illegal to use then we strongly recommend contacting an admin for clarification.
6.1 Bug-Using is not allowed
Any kind of “Bug-Using” is not allowed. Player using bugs will be punished.
Most commonly seen banned map spots include:
Upward: Teleporter in dropdown spot on 3rd point
Gullywash: Last point shutter shoot through
Gullywash: Taunting through the ceiling of elbow
Product: Skybox bugged spot
All maps: Sticking to angled wall
If you are unsure about the legality of any sneaky spot on a map, please contact an admin to clarify the situation and prevent complaints from your opponent.
Both of these rules will come into effect immediately in Season 29.
Make of that what you will.
[quote=-proto]speedshots and edgebugs are bugs, are they banned lmao?[/quote]
Well this is what the post actually says:
[quote=ETF2L]Furthermore, we’re also publishing a list of known bugged spots on various maps that will be added to the already existing Bug-Using rule. If players find any ulterior spots that could be considered illegal to use then we strongly recommend contacting an admin for clarification.
6.1 Bug-Using is not allowed
Any kind of “Bug-Using” is not allowed. Player using bugs will be punished.
Most commonly seen banned map spots include:
Upward: Teleporter in dropdown spot on 3rd point
Gullywash: Last point shutter shoot through
Gullywash: Taunting through the ceiling of elbow
Product: Skybox bugged spot
All maps: Sticking to angled wall
If you are unsure about the legality of any sneaky spot on a map, please contact an admin to clarify the situation and prevent complaints from your opponent.
Both of these rules will come into effect immediately in Season 29.[/quote]
Make of that what you will.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9egTEhsqrOk[/youtube]
So this banned now?
using wall bugs to survive from a big fall = good
using wall bugs to hide in skybox = bad
using wall bugs to survive from a big fall = good
using wall bugs to hide in skybox = bad
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