everyone was the dude getting fatkidded for hours at one point or another

something like 25 percent of my amateur pugs have been ruined by beginner captains. once it was me, because it didn't occur to me that my priority would transfer. pretty annoying, since like two losses get you kicked back down to beginner. such a strange system overall.

Man, a smug part of me just loves this situation due to all of the bitching that was going on about pugchamp before and how faceit would be the savior of tf2 because somehow people actually thought a banny led project wouldn't totally shit the bed with management or resource allocation.

b4n b4nny!

I feel like the pugchamp/mixchamp system was fine but it just wasn’t popular enough.

it actually blows my mind how so many people have problems with optimization/framerate in this game, but are totally okay with using a site that takes up 3x-4x more system resources than pugchamp while also offering half as many features

can someone who knows erynn/tsc/whoever owns pugchamp tell them to fix the privacy error on the site

can the people who get fatkidded from pugchamp for hours on end not just add to faceit? (where the entire premise is no fatkid lol)

friendly reminder that faceit pugs are aids and being fatkidded from pugchamp shouldnt mean you have to resort to aids pugs

seriously though my point is that there arent any good pugging sites for high open-mid IM. at that level you'll still get fatkidded from pugchamp constantly (plus there's rarely enough players to fill the b-pugs after the main pugs start) and faceit is still a shitshow of new players refusing to play anything but 100 dpm scout

inhouse pugs are really the best option but theyre not the most accessible. Honestly tf2center has become the best website for this sort of thing and that aint right

and yeah if faceit pugs weren't aids then sure but that would negate the whole point of this thread

From my friends list, looks like ~4 IM+ steam pug groups were simultaneously playing today while faceit advanced had 1 pug happening... probably says something about the quality of faceit pugs

also oftentimes tf2center lobbies are filled with IM or high open players who don't want to faceit ...

there was absolutely nothing wrong with pugchamp and now that nobody likes faceit, we can just choose to add up to pugchamp, either coordinate something, or we'll be forced to play these cringe pugs or rely on somewhat unreliable inhouses

From what I've seen both in the EU and NA scenes, the faceit system works nicely at a lower level (up to amateur) because the people getting fatkidded in pugchamp get a more competitive experience than they would playing tf2center.

At the advanced level and above its a less desirable system because the skill quality of the pugs tends to be lower, pugs often get cancelled (pugs not starting was a problem in pugchamp too tho tbf) and there's no sub system.

Playing with a circlejerk is literally more desirable than any site where u add up tho so I kind of like faceit has made this more prevalent.

what r some good im pug groups can someone add me faceit blows

real talk just forcing rkt into every game is why half of invite doesnt pug

I'm pretty sure almost everyone who has ever given feedback about Faceit has said there needs to be a substitution system. I think the only people who ever argued against having a sub system was b4nny + the devs for faceit.

Please invite me to in-house pugs faceit has completely dicked my pugging desires and I miss having fun

amateur is filled with complete random ugc players or mge players that just want to mongo walk at everything in the game and give no shit about playing the game. picking in amateur is impossible since none of the players are known to anyone and you can't pick them on certain classes so people who get last picked are taking the first pick's main class and making the pug an instant loss

i was on my way out anyways but i did like playing pugs until faceit came around
i just want to get on and play what i want to play, and there is no way to do that anymore. even in inhouses i gotta fight to play the class i want to play

playing in esea again was fun until i realized there is no good way to practice thx to faceit
this pretty much just made me stop playing 6s altogether

i miss being yelled at by paddie or dingo, was how i learned a lot early on as a medic main

You know what is killing pugs...
iinbreeding

you cant squish a dogs face liked that

anyway tf2 is dead like our leader Slobodan Melosevic,.
Sad time. : (
spolder is only claass tf2 my gaming egde is spire only no scour fuvk scout worst class i hate that hbosnian guy....

Half of this games players are men who want to female?!!
i wear jeans liked the rest of you EXPEKT ME

Im not gay just clarify.... i love woman they love me i get all serb women on me you wouldnt get this lifesytle,,,,,,,,,

"the turkish peoples.... i despise them..... ending these ungraced individuals is a holy act." -Bohemond the I
WISDOM i seed knowlegde of tf2 gaming

fuck are you guys talking about pugchamp is still alive (atleast in EU) sure there arent like fucking 100 pugs a day but there are quality ones

literally not even rocket, it’s whatever low IM dm class main adds up pug after pug and forces their way onto a class they would never get picked on in said pug if the system allowed for fatkids. It’s so shitty to call people out to play medic, ALMOST as shitty as having your invite player who got picked like 2nd play medic because they were late to join the server and everyone else didn’t add up to heal people.

at least that’s why I don’t add up. I don’t want to be seen as a dick for calling out last picks to play medic, and I also hate losing pugs on a site with a W/L leaderboard because one of the best players on my team has to play med

inhouses are the only fun way to play tf2

please send links the only comp ive played in 2 weeks is faceit and i want to die

Attempting to further fracture the community is what will actually do harm.

shut up your service sucks and it shows

https://i.imgur.com/SCmJJd3.png

You do not have to fracture the community. Assuming the people in this thread are correct, just make the changes to advanced division that the majority of it's player base wants to see.

I could understand at the beginning, the current limitations of the faceit platform force you towards a more liberal player selection, and you maybe want to try something different to increase the amount of high level pugs that go on, but it seems like it's only done the opposite.

I think faceit is a major success for the lower levels, as it gives a good platform for less experienced players, whether that's never played comp before, or a few seasons of ucg/open. At the higher levels, it seems there is a very clear desire from people for a more "exclusive" pug experience.

I don't think this is an inherently bad thing. It puts more importance on pugs for a less experienced individual who maybe does not get picked often in a system where fat kids exist, which also happens to fall fairly close in line with the whole competitive nature that faceit is trying to push in the first place. The current faceit system actually favors someone like me, who does not pug often and usually gets fatkidded because of it, but I can realize the displeasure of the majority of the user base at the top end, and understand where they are coming from.

lizard brain CEO

Look this system is garbage when it comes to having a good quality pug.

Pros:
Faceit has rewards
Faceit is a well-recognized website so many new players can use it
Pugs do not start after 20 years because some retard decides to do something right after picking.
ELO- this is neutral for some but for me I enjoy it.
Choice of a Dallas or Chicago server

Alright, now the cons prepare yourself bout to go Plus Ultra.
Cons:
First Pick is way better than the second pick.
No one wants to captain
12 people pool makes it so you can get stuck with players who are bad and can't play anything but their main. no offense to anyone but if you see a pug and think oh me being on this class could be bad do not play it.
ELO is in these pugs yet a first pick will have to play med if he/she gets in late if there are no med mains. Once again let this one sink in if the player who is late is better than you get off his class and play med if you know it would make the pug a win or easier. I am actually amazed people think pug medic is hard a monkey could play med do not make an invite player play med because " I can't play med I am bad at it" terrible excuse.
No class selection so HAIYAKU! (Hurry* sorry im fluent in Japanese) into the server else you get cucked onto a class you do not wanna play or can't.
No Fatkids- I know people remember pugchamp and never being picked but everyone used to be that guy that sits there hoping to get picked. It is probably the reason pugs had any substance at all you have to make a name for yourself and prove yourself to get picked. Now it is just as easy as pressing play fuck off.
Invite pugs to happen once a month. OMEGALUL
There are rarely any good pugs. I think I've heard this phrase about 100 times " This player would never be in the same pug as me". One team is way better than another team for the majority of pugs played before and after you factor in no class selection.
Invite players started to play less because they do not want an aneurysm playing with what Aim has bestowed onto the truly chosen the term SPED. I know people are learning shit I know I still am, but you reach a point where OHHHHH this site has ELO and you have a player being terrible not trying to get help from others/ talking. Or playing a class they are bad at or just feeding or throwing. I think we all want to have fun but is it really viable when you have people who are trying to win and others are just lucky enough to be in the same pug with invite players but they are not trying to be less of a detriment. PunOko.
Management doesn't fix any problems with suggestions given because it is not possible. "These TriHards are bad"- Safrix 2017
Sound Notifications- No one gets one when they get random captain but I have to get ear raped for map picking excellent.

This one gets a space so you can truly see how important it is DISCORD!
Discord blows End of discussion at least for me.

No sub system my player goes MIA and its 5v6 GG KKKTOOKMYELOAWAY
Truly MonkaS
Look at these pugs and tell me this was a great experience https://clips.twitch.tv/SpinelessPrettyLeopardNononoCat , https://clips.twitch.tv/ElegantVastDadPogChamp https://clips.twitch.tv/FreezingDeliciousDonkeyBrokeBack https://clips.twitch.tv/MushyBoredSparrowPJSalt LMFAO
Tbh I'd actually look at pugs and see who is playing then proceed to look up Anime/Hentai umm I mean art and close my Faceit tab in my browser.

So, in the end, there are way more cons than pros.
I am even willing to play these pugs every day for a month if they happen that much and stream to prove how aids it truly is. Im serious if people want to see why no one likes to play faceit anymore I will put myself through any pug does not matter how bad it seems and captain.

yours truly, VoHiYo Rat VoHiyo