So I've been playing quite a lot of tf2center lately and since I'm a demo main, i play almost exclusively that. I was wondering if it's common for other demos to feel almost... Abandoned, and get little to no cooperation from team. Sometimes this is not true, but most of the time i just have to rely only on myself to deal with foes. So is it just me that I'm bad or it's tf2center that is not welcoming for team relying classes like demo and medic? Also, is there any other way to play competitive 6s except tf2c for a demoman? Thanks in advance (btw I'm not a really good demo, I'm low)
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So I've been playing quite a lot of tf2center lately and since I'm a demo main, i play almost exclusively that. I was wondering if it's common for other demos to feel almost... Abandoned, and get little to no cooperation from team. Sometimes this is not true, but most of the time i just have to rely only on myself to deal with foes. So is it just me that I'm bad or it's tf2center that is not welcoming for team relying classes like demo and medic? Also, is there any other way to play competitive 6s except tf2c for a demoman? Thanks in advance (btw I'm not a really good demo, I'm low)
Yeah, TF2Center, at least in EU, is kind of the equivalent of pubs for 6s, where people just go around not really caring much about their teammates but just trying to do well for themselves and that is rough as demoman where you really need to feed off your teammates and viceversa.
Of course you can always try to play more passively and see what your teammates do, but even that is tough in an environment without calls and trying to deviate any much more from playing like on an actual team for the mere sake of doing well in TF2Center will give you some bad habits. If anything, at least as a demo main, i'd only treat TF2Center as somewhat of a DM server that is not just played on mid and wouldn't really worry much about the outcome of the game or even your own KD as long as you are able to realize when you did right or wrong despite what ended up happening.
Yeah, TF2Center, at least in EU, is kind of the equivalent of pubs for 6s, where people just go around not really caring much about their teammates but just trying to do well for themselves and that is rough as demoman where you really need to feed off your teammates and viceversa.
Of course you can always try to play more passively and see what your teammates do, but even that is tough in an environment without calls and trying to deviate any much more from playing like on an actual team for the mere sake of doing well in TF2Center will give you some bad habits. If anything, at least as a demo main, i'd only treat TF2Center as somewhat of a DM server that is not just played on mid and wouldn't really worry much about the outcome of the game or even your own KD as long as you are able to realize when you did right or wrong despite what ended up happening.
Of course you can always try to play more passively and see what your teammates do, but even that is tough in an environment without calls and trying to deviate any much more from playing like on an actual team for the mere sake of doing well in TF2Center will give you some bad habits. If anything, at least as a demo main, i'd only treat TF2Center as somewhat of a DM server that is not just played on mid and wouldn't really worry much about the outcome of the game or even your own KD as long as you are able to realize when you did right or wrong despite what ended up happening.
iirc the lowest 2 divs of tf2pl.com in eu still have players
etf2l used to do newbie mixes although there was no check for sandbaggers (https://discordapp.com/invite/A2vzKcs)
and yea ur gonna get abandoned in tf2c thats the cost of no coms.
iirc the lowest 2 divs of tf2pl.com in eu still have players
etf2l used to do newbie mixes although there was no check for sandbaggers (https://discordapp.com/invite/A2vzKcs)
and yea ur gonna get abandoned in tf2c thats the cost of no coms.
etf2l used to do newbie mixes although there was no check for sandbaggers (https://discordapp.com/invite/A2vzKcs)
and yea ur gonna get abandoned in tf2c thats the cost of no coms.
coyoiirc the lowest 2 divs of tf2pl.com in eu still have players
etf2l used to do newbie mixes although there was no check for sandbaggers (https://discordapp.com/invite/A2vzKcs)
and yea ur gonna get abandoned in tf2c thats the cost of no coms.
Ok, thanks a lot for the mixes!
[quote=coyo]iirc the lowest 2 divs of tf2pl.com in eu still have players
etf2l used to do newbie mixes although there was no check for sandbaggers (https://discordapp.com/invite/A2vzKcs)
and yea ur gonna get abandoned in tf2c thats the cost of no coms.[/quote]
Ok, thanks a lot for the mixes!
etf2l used to do newbie mixes although there was no check for sandbaggers (https://discordapp.com/invite/A2vzKcs)
and yea ur gonna get abandoned in tf2c thats the cost of no coms.[/quote]
Ok, thanks a lot for the mixes!
TraxgarteYeah, TF2Center, at least in EU, is kind of the equivalent of pubs for 6s, where people just go around not really caring much about their teammates but just trying to do well for themselves and that is rough as demoman where you really need to feed off your teammates and viceversa.
Of course you can always try to play more passively and see what your teammates do, but even that is tough in an environment without calls and trying to deviate any much more from playing like on an actual team for the mere sake of doing well in TF2Center will give you some bad habits. If anything, at least as a demo main, i'd only treat TF2Center as somewhat of a DM server that is not just played on mid and wouldn't really worry much about the outcome of the game or even your own KD as long as you are able to realize when you did right or wrong despite what ended up happening.
My dm is pretty good for my skill level, what I'm lacking is gamesense and positioning,so it's not as uswful. Thanks a lot!
[quote=Traxgarte]Yeah, TF2Center, at least in EU, is kind of the equivalent of pubs for 6s, where people just go around not really caring much about their teammates but just trying to do well for themselves and that is rough as demoman where you really need to feed off your teammates and viceversa.
Of course you can always try to play more passively and see what your teammates do, but even that is tough in an environment without calls and trying to deviate any much more from playing like on an actual team for the mere sake of doing well in TF2Center will give you some bad habits. If anything, at least as a demo main, i'd only treat TF2Center as somewhat of a DM server that is not just played on mid and wouldn't really worry much about the outcome of the game or even your own KD as long as you are able to realize when you did right or wrong despite what ended up happening.[/quote]
My dm is pretty good for my skill level, what I'm lacking is gamesense and positioning,so it's not as uswful. Thanks a lot!
Of course you can always try to play more passively and see what your teammates do, but even that is tough in an environment without calls and trying to deviate any much more from playing like on an actual team for the mere sake of doing well in TF2Center will give you some bad habits. If anything, at least as a demo main, i'd only treat TF2Center as somewhat of a DM server that is not just played on mid and wouldn't really worry much about the outcome of the game or even your own KD as long as you are able to realize when you did right or wrong despite what ended up happening.[/quote]
My dm is pretty good for my skill level, what I'm lacking is gamesense and positioning,so it's not as uswful. Thanks a lot!
maybe you are not as good as you think. Anyway TF2C is really aids and you should try to join low level pug groups or even tf2pl instead so you dont fight circlejerks. If you play too much TF2C you will genuinely get worst, it will make your game sense worst
maybe you are not as good as you think. Anyway TF2C is really aids and you should try to join low level pug groups or even tf2pl instead so you dont fight circlejerks. If you play too much TF2C you will genuinely get worst, it will make your game sense worst
CrimeScenemaybe you are not as good as you think. Anyway TF2C is really aids and you should try to join low level pug groups or even tf2pl instead so you dont fight circlejerks. If you play too much TF2C you will genuinely get worst, it will make your game sense worst
I'm open and i have 310 hours as demo, so maybe I'm really not as good as i think,but tnx ;)
[quote=CrimeScene]maybe you are not as good as you think. Anyway TF2C is really aids and you should try to join low level pug groups or even tf2pl instead so you dont fight circlejerks. If you play too much TF2C you will genuinely get worst, it will make your game sense worst[/quote]
I'm open and i have 310 hours as demo, so maybe I'm really not as good as i think,but tnx ;)
I'm open and i have 310 hours as demo, so maybe I'm really not as good as i think,but tnx ;)
TF2C is not an ideal environment to learn proper positioning, but by being surprised and left alone by your team it at the very least teaches you when you should feel vulnerable and take the necessary precautions before you get picked off. In an ideal scenario you'll be with a team that communicates and does its respective job (which you aren't guaranteed to get in an Open team either).
It's an upward battle for sure but as a Demo main it pays off to recognize when you're alone. Once you've developed that intuition you'll see that playing with a proper team will feel that much smoother. At the end of the day TF2C will be holding you back so I'd recommend finding a group of people to form mix teams, doublemixes or play in pickup games in order to further your skill. Join the ETF2L and TFTV discord if you haven't already and start socializing with people.
TF2C is not an ideal environment to learn proper positioning, but by being surprised and left alone by your team it at the very least teaches you when you should feel vulnerable and take the necessary precautions before you get picked off. In an ideal scenario you'll be with a team that communicates and does its respective job (which you aren't guaranteed to get in an Open team either).
It's an upward battle for sure but as a Demo main it pays off to recognize when you're alone. Once you've developed that intuition you'll see that playing with a proper team will feel that much smoother. At the end of the day TF2C will be holding you back so I'd recommend finding a group of people to form mix teams, doublemixes or play in pickup games in order to further your skill. Join the ETF2L and TFTV discord if you haven't already and start socializing with people.
It's an upward battle for sure but as a Demo main it pays off to recognize when you're alone. Once you've developed that intuition you'll see that playing with a proper team will feel that much smoother. At the end of the day TF2C will be holding you back so I'd recommend finding a group of people to form mix teams, doublemixes or play in pickup games in order to further your skill. Join the ETF2L and TFTV discord if you haven't already and start socializing with people.
FuxxTF2C is not an ideal environment to learn proper positioning, but by being surprised and left alone by your team it at the very least teaches you when you should feel vulnerable and take the necessary precautions before you get picked off. In an ideal scenario you'll be with a team that communicates and does its respective job (which you aren't guaranteed to get in an Open team either).
It's an upward battle for sure but as a Demo main it pays off to recognize when you're alone. Once you've developed that intuition you'll see that playing with a proper team will feel that much smoother. At the end of the day TF2C will be holding you back so I'd recommend finding a group of people to form mix teams, doublemixes or play in pickup games in order to further your skill. Join the ETF2L and TFTV discord if you haven't already and start socializing with people.
I'm already in a team and we've been partecipating in a tournament, it's just that i gotta find something to do while we're not scrimming. Thanks ;)
[quote=Fuxx]TF2C is not an ideal environment to learn proper positioning, but by being surprised and left alone by your team it at the very least teaches you when you should feel vulnerable and take the necessary precautions before you get picked off. In an ideal scenario you'll be with a team that communicates and does its respective job (which you aren't guaranteed to get in an Open team either).
It's an upward battle for sure but as a Demo main it pays off to recognize when you're alone. Once you've developed that intuition you'll see that playing with a proper team will feel that much smoother. At the end of the day TF2C will be holding you back so I'd recommend finding a group of people to form mix teams, doublemixes or play in pickup games in order to further your skill. Join the ETF2L and TFTV discord if you haven't already and start socializing with people.[/quote]
I'm already in a team and we've been partecipating in a tournament, it's just that i gotta find something to do while we're not scrimming. Thanks ;)
It's an upward battle for sure but as a Demo main it pays off to recognize when you're alone. Once you've developed that intuition you'll see that playing with a proper team will feel that much smoother. At the end of the day TF2C will be holding you back so I'd recommend finding a group of people to form mix teams, doublemixes or play in pickup games in order to further your skill. Join the ETF2L and TFTV discord if you haven't already and start socializing with people.[/quote]
I'm already in a team and we've been partecipating in a tournament, it's just that i gotta find something to do while we're not scrimming. Thanks ;)
MamzzFuxxTF2C is not an ideal environment to learn proper positioning, but by being surprised and left alone by your team it at the very least teaches you when you should feel vulnerable and take the necessary precautions before you get picked off. In an ideal scenario you'll be with a team that communicates and does its respective job (which you aren't guaranteed to get in an Open team either).I'm already in a team and we've been partecipating in a tournament, it's just that i gotta find something to do while we're not scrimming. Thanks ;)
It's an upward battle for sure but as a Demo main it pays off to recognize when you're alone. Once you've developed that intuition you'll see that playing with a proper team will feel that much smoother. At the end of the day TF2C will be holding you back so I'd recommend finding a group of people to form mix teams, doublemixes or play in pickup games in order to further your skill. Join the ETF2L and TFTV discord if you haven't already and start socializing with people.
Split your time between mechanics practice (mge/dm/jump), lobbies, and watch your demos.
When you go for DM remember that DM skill does transfer from scout/soldier to pipes.
Make sure to learn crouch sticky jump if you havent already.
When watching demos review mostly your deaths. Why did you die? Was it your fault? What could you have done differently? etc..
[quote=Mamzz][quote=Fuxx]TF2C is not an ideal environment to learn proper positioning, but by being surprised and left alone by your team it at the very least teaches you when you should feel vulnerable and take the necessary precautions before you get picked off. In an ideal scenario you'll be with a team that communicates and does its respective job (which you aren't guaranteed to get in an Open team either).
It's an upward battle for sure but as a Demo main it pays off to recognize when you're alone. Once you've developed that intuition you'll see that playing with a proper team will feel that much smoother. At the end of the day TF2C will be holding you back so I'd recommend finding a group of people to form mix teams, doublemixes or play in pickup games in order to further your skill. Join the ETF2L and TFTV discord if you haven't already and start socializing with people.[/quote]
I'm already in a team and we've been partecipating in a tournament, it's just that i gotta find something to do while we're not scrimming. Thanks ;)[/quote]
Split your time between mechanics practice (mge/dm/jump), lobbies, and watch your demos.
When you go for DM remember that DM skill does transfer from scout/soldier to pipes.
Make sure to learn crouch sticky jump if you havent already.
When watching demos review mostly your deaths. Why did you die? Was it your fault? What could you have done differently? etc..
It's an upward battle for sure but as a Demo main it pays off to recognize when you're alone. Once you've developed that intuition you'll see that playing with a proper team will feel that much smoother. At the end of the day TF2C will be holding you back so I'd recommend finding a group of people to form mix teams, doublemixes or play in pickup games in order to further your skill. Join the ETF2L and TFTV discord if you haven't already and start socializing with people.[/quote]
I'm already in a team and we've been partecipating in a tournament, it's just that i gotta find something to do while we're not scrimming. Thanks ;)[/quote]
Split your time between mechanics practice (mge/dm/jump), lobbies, and watch your demos.
When you go for DM remember that DM skill does transfer from scout/soldier to pipes.
Make sure to learn crouch sticky jump if you havent already.
When watching demos review mostly your deaths. Why did you die? Was it your fault? What could you have done differently? etc..
Watch habib play demoman, he’s one of the best demoman streamers and he has most of his matches on YouTube
Watch habib play demoman, he’s one of the best demoman streamers and he has most of his matches on YouTube
MamzzI'm already in a team and we've been partecipating in a tournament, it's just that i gotta find something to do while we're not scrimming. Thanks ;)
That's good to hear! If you want to improve positioning then you should consider watching STV demos. Compare your habits with the habits of top tier Demomen, take mental notes and then apply them the next time you play. It's not as fun as actually playing the game, but it's very efficient and a far better use of your time.
[quote=Mamzz]
I'm already in a team and we've been partecipating in a tournament, it's just that i gotta find something to do while we're not scrimming. Thanks ;)[/quote]
That's good to hear! If you want to improve positioning then you should consider watching STV demos. Compare your habits with the habits of top tier Demomen, take mental notes and then apply them the next time you play. It's not as fun as actually playing the game, but it's very efficient and a far better use of your time.
I'm already in a team and we've been partecipating in a tournament, it's just that i gotta find something to do while we're not scrimming. Thanks ;)[/quote]
That's good to hear! If you want to improve positioning then you should consider watching STV demos. Compare your habits with the habits of top tier Demomen, take mental notes and then apply them the next time you play. It's not as fun as actually playing the game, but it's very efficient and a far better use of your time.
vulcWatch habib play demoman, he’s one of the best demoman streamers and he has most of his matches on YouTube
The problem with that is that Habib is at such a high level and playing with such a good team a new player isn't going to learn much from him as much as a mid IM+ player would.
It's similar to how people say watch Clockwork demos to learn to play Scout. But clockwork did shit that literally only clockwork and maybe like yomps can do. You need to watch demos from people who are not at the very top until you understand the basics of your class and what you need to.
I think the best bet would to find a mentor and go over your own demos rather than focusing too hard on someone else's demo's
[quote=vulc]Watch habib play demoman, he’s one of the best demoman streamers and he has most of his matches on YouTube[/quote]
The problem with that is that Habib is at such a high level and playing with such a good team a new player isn't going to learn much from him as much as a mid IM+ player would.
It's similar to how people say watch Clockwork demos to learn to play Scout. But clockwork did shit that literally only clockwork and maybe like yomps can do. You need to watch demos from people who are not at the very top until you understand the basics of your class and what you need to.
I think the best bet would to find a mentor and go over your own demos rather than focusing too hard on someone else's demo's
The problem with that is that Habib is at such a high level and playing with such a good team a new player isn't going to learn much from him as much as a mid IM+ player would.
It's similar to how people say watch Clockwork demos to learn to play Scout. But clockwork did shit that literally only clockwork and maybe like yomps can do. You need to watch demos from people who are not at the very top until you understand the basics of your class and what you need to.
I think the best bet would to find a mentor and go over your own demos rather than focusing too hard on someone else's demo's
TwiggyMamzzSplit your time between mechanics practice (mge/dm/jump), lobbies, and watch your demos.FuxxTF2C is not an ideal environment to learn proper positioning, but by being surprised and left alone by your team it at the very least teaches you when you should feel vulnerable and take the necessary precautions before you get picked off. In an ideal scenario you'll be with a team that communicates and does its respective job (which you aren't guaranteed to get in an Open team either).I'm already in a team and we've been partecipating in a tournament, it's just that i gotta find something to do while we're not scrimming. Thanks ;)
It's an upward battle for sure but as a Demo main it pays off to recognize when you're alone. Once you've developed that intuition you'll see that playing with a proper team will feel that much smoother. At the end of the day TF2C will be holding you back so I'd recommend finding a group of people to form mix teams, doublemixes or play in pickup games in order to further your skill. Join the ETF2L and TFTV discord if you haven't already and start socializing with people.
When you go for DM remember that DM skill does transfer from scout/soldier to pipes.
Make sure to learn crouch sticky jump if you havent already.
When watching demos review mostly your deaths. Why did you die? Was it your fault? What could you have done differently? etc..
Thanks a lot!
[quote=Twiggy][quote=Mamzz][quote=Fuxx]TF2C is not an ideal environment to learn proper positioning, but by being surprised and left alone by your team it at the very least teaches you when you should feel vulnerable and take the necessary precautions before you get picked off. In an ideal scenario you'll be with a team that communicates and does its respective job (which you aren't guaranteed to get in an Open team either).
It's an upward battle for sure but as a Demo main it pays off to recognize when you're alone. Once you've developed that intuition you'll see that playing with a proper team will feel that much smoother. At the end of the day TF2C will be holding you back so I'd recommend finding a group of people to form mix teams, doublemixes or play in pickup games in order to further your skill. Join the ETF2L and TFTV discord if you haven't already and start socializing with people.[/quote]
I'm already in a team and we've been partecipating in a tournament, it's just that i gotta find something to do while we're not scrimming. Thanks ;)[/quote]
Split your time between mechanics practice (mge/dm/jump), lobbies, and watch your demos.
When you go for DM remember that DM skill does transfer from scout/soldier to pipes.
Make sure to learn crouch sticky jump if you havent already.
When watching demos review mostly your deaths. Why did you die? Was it your fault? What could you have done differently? etc..[/quote]
Thanks a lot!
It's an upward battle for sure but as a Demo main it pays off to recognize when you're alone. Once you've developed that intuition you'll see that playing with a proper team will feel that much smoother. At the end of the day TF2C will be holding you back so I'd recommend finding a group of people to form mix teams, doublemixes or play in pickup games in order to further your skill. Join the ETF2L and TFTV discord if you haven't already and start socializing with people.[/quote]
I'm already in a team and we've been partecipating in a tournament, it's just that i gotta find something to do while we're not scrimming. Thanks ;)[/quote]
Split your time between mechanics practice (mge/dm/jump), lobbies, and watch your demos.
When you go for DM remember that DM skill does transfer from scout/soldier to pipes.
Make sure to learn crouch sticky jump if you havent already.
When watching demos review mostly your deaths. Why did you die? Was it your fault? What could you have done differently? etc..[/quote]
Thanks a lot!
Max_vulcWatch habib play demoman, he’s one of the best demoman streamers and he has most of his matches on YouTubeThe problem with that is that Habib is at such a high level and playing with such a good team a new player isn't going to learn much from him as much as a mid IM+ player would.
It's similar to how people say watch Clockwork demos to learn to play Scout. But clockwork did shit that literally only clockwork and maybe like yomps can do. You need to watch demos from people who are not at the very top until you understand the basics of your class and what you need to.
I think the best bet would to find a mentor and go over your own demos rather than focusing too hard on someone else's demo's
I used to have a mentor but it was kinda embarrassing to watch togheter how i played hahahahhaha. Thanks though!
[quote=Max_][quote=vulc]Watch habib play demoman, he’s one of the best demoman streamers and he has most of his matches on YouTube[/quote]
The problem with that is that Habib is at such a high level and playing with such a good team a new player isn't going to learn much from him as much as a mid IM+ player would.
It's similar to how people say watch Clockwork demos to learn to play Scout. But clockwork did shit that literally only clockwork and maybe like yomps can do. You need to watch demos from people who are not at the very top until you understand the basics of your class and what you need to.
I think the best bet would to find a mentor and go over your own demos rather than focusing too hard on someone else's demo's[/quote]
I used to have a mentor but it was kinda embarrassing to watch togheter how i played hahahahhaha. Thanks though!
The problem with that is that Habib is at such a high level and playing with such a good team a new player isn't going to learn much from him as much as a mid IM+ player would.
It's similar to how people say watch Clockwork demos to learn to play Scout. But clockwork did shit that literally only clockwork and maybe like yomps can do. You need to watch demos from people who are not at the very top until you understand the basics of your class and what you need to.
I think the best bet would to find a mentor and go over your own demos rather than focusing too hard on someone else's demo's[/quote]
I used to have a mentor but it was kinda embarrassing to watch togheter how i played hahahahhaha. Thanks though!
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