its back

#61

Legit_Lurkki

1 Frags – +

so much for that global whitelist

#62

Dylan

36 Frags – +

okay but can I just get like an explanation from someone who was there and said "yes, I want the cow mangler back" like what was your reasoning?

#63

Olgha

-15 Frags – +

Well first seeing this whitelist would make sens, i mean some of the items that were banned before should not be the case today, Dragon fury, rescue ranger (without wrangler) that has been unban, but what i don't really get is :
1- Items Still banned : such as BASE Jumper and Short circuit ( that has been nerfed since their last ban ).
2- Newly banned items : such as Sandman, Atomizer, Dalokohs bar, gloves of emergency; Pomson, Vita Saw and Darwin danger shield. What we could get from this is that ESEA is not trying to ban as little weapons as possible, and i don't even get why these weapons tbh, i mean Darwin Danger shield ? Really ? The Item that is only useful if you're facing a pyro in the other team, does it really need a ban ?
3- Finally Items that hasn't changed but got allowed : Machina (Mainly an upgrade to any weapons), Cow mangler (same), Natasha (tbh i would even see this one allowed, because it is not an absolute upgrade regarding other miniguns).

I'd like to get the idea of this whitelist really

edit: but i truly like the fact that at least some league changes their whitelist (Hi ETF2L, who is just waiting for people to say something about it to make it change, like why would blame Valve to update that slow if the league is even slower than Valve) i don't get this whitelist though.

Well first seeing this whitelist would make sens, i mean some of the items that were banned before should not be the case today, Dragon fury, rescue ranger (without wrangler) that has been unban, but what i don't really get is :
1- Items Still banned : such as BASE Jumper and Short circuit ( that has been nerfed since their last ban ).
2- Newly banned items : such as Sandman, Atomizer, Dalokohs bar, gloves of emergency; Pomson, Vita Saw and Darwin danger shield. What we could get from this is that ESEA is not trying to ban as little weapons as possible, and i don't even get why these weapons tbh, i mean Darwin Danger shield ? Really ? The Item that is only useful if you're facing a pyro in the other team, does it really need a ban ?
3- Finally Items that hasn't changed but got allowed : Machina (Mainly an upgrade to any weapons), Cow mangler (same), Natasha (tbh i would even see this one allowed, because it is not an absolute upgrade regarding other miniguns).

I'd like to get the idea of this whitelist really

edit: but i truly like the fact that at least some league changes their whitelist (Hi ETF2L, who is just waiting for people to say something about it to make it change, like why would blame Valve to update that slow if the league is even slower than Valve) i don't get this whitelist though.

#64

hayes

36 Frags – +

I'll just say right now; I fully plan on abusing the hell out of this weapon. There is no way the mangler should be allowed in a competitive setting right now. Infinite ammo is incredibly powerful (There are so many times I see soldiers running around with their stick because of a lack of ammo and dying for it) and charge shots are very underrated. It's a lot more than it being just an upgrade from default; if that was the case, than people would want to ban the iron bomber, but I rarely see people argue that. Mangler is a pretty significant upgrade to default that crosses the line of being overpowered without adding anything interesting to the game.

Watch this and tell me that this was fair and perfectly fine; https://www.twitch.tv/videos/309398807?t=15m46s

I'll just say right now; I fully plan on abusing the hell out of this weapon. There is no way the mangler should be allowed in a competitive setting right now. Infinite ammo is incredibly powerful (There are so many times I see soldiers running around with their stick because of a lack of ammo and dying for it) and charge shots are very underrated. It's a lot more than it being just an upgrade from default; if that was the case, than people would want to ban the iron bomber, but I rarely see people argue that. Mangler is a pretty significant upgrade to default that crosses the line of being overpowered without adding anything interesting to the game.

Watch this and tell me that this was fair and perfectly fine; https://www.twitch.tv/videos/309398807?t=15m46s

#65

frenzy_

-8 Frags – +

b4nnyBefore you post, please actually look at the S29 whitelist. The only unbans were Pretty Boy's Pocket Pistol, Atomizer, Cow Mangler 5000, Mantreads, Dragon's Fury, and Gas Passer. I'm sure tri can chime in on how the decisions were finalized, but it was mostly settled on after discussions during the preseason invite meeting where consensus was that adding this incremental batch of items would be seamless, which I'm confident you'll find that to be the case. Along with the other changes to the league structuring, this is best whitelist yet and should be the new standard that other leagues catch up to. Props to tri and ESEA for pushing for progress this season.b4nnybotmodelol
the preseason invite meeting that only people you bothered to message knew aboutWhatever conspiracy narrative you're trying to weave has no basis in reality. There were representatives from every single potential invite team known at the time, and the entire thing was publicly streamed (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/303159134?t=1h41m04s lasts about 2 hours). If you had wanted to join in, you'd have been more than welcome. I get that your team was formed last minute and was unable to contribute to the discussions while they were still relevant, and that is far from ideal, but to be frank, even if you had been there and planned to contribute anything along the lines of "this item is annoying" I doubt you would have really made much difference in the outcome of the decisions.

So what your saying is everyone in the tf2 community has to watch your stream every night in order to know if their next season will be ruined? This is soo bad, why not take a community poll on tfttv? Maybe at make a post about on tftv about it . More people read tftv then watch your stream. And unbanning weapons isnt going to make any progress what? What "progress" are we talking talking about. Short answer is there is none just let everyone enjoy the game they like. Without you coming in and fucking everything up. Instead of you being selective with who you invite to your group and decide the fate of next season. Maybe you talk to everyone and not like >10 people. Your so arrogant its actually fucking stupid.

[quote=b4nny]Before you post, please actually look at [url=https://whitelist.tf/9279]the S29 whitelist[/url]. The only unbans were Pretty Boy's Pocket Pistol, Atomizer, Cow Mangler 5000, Mantreads, Dragon's Fury, and Gas Passer. I'm sure tri can chime in on how the decisions were finalized, but it was mostly settled on after discussions during the preseason invite meeting where consensus was that adding this incremental batch of items would be seamless, which I'm confident you'll find that to be the case. Along with the other changes to the league structuring, this is best whitelist yet and should be the new standard that other leagues catch up to. Props to tri and ESEA for pushing for progress this season.[/quote]
[quote=b4nny][quote=botmode]lol
the preseason invite meeting that only people you bothered to message knew about[/quote]
Whatever conspiracy narrative you're trying to weave has no basis in reality. There were representatives from every single potential invite team known at the time, and the entire thing was publicly streamed (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/303159134?t=1h41m04s lasts about 2 hours). If you had wanted to join in, you'd have been more than welcome. I get that your team was formed last minute and was unable to contribute to the discussions while they were still relevant, and that is far from ideal, but to be frank, even if you had been there and planned to contribute anything along the lines of "this item is annoying" I doubt you would have really made much difference in the outcome of the decisions.[/quote]

So what your saying is everyone in the tf2 community has to watch your stream every night in order to know if their next season will be ruined? This is soo bad, why not take a community poll on tfttv? Maybe at make a post about on tftv about it . More people read tftv then watch your stream. And unbanning weapons isnt going to make any progress what? What "progress" are we talking talking about. Short answer is there is none just let everyone enjoy the game they like. Without you coming in and fucking everything up. Instead of you being selective with who you invite to your group and decide the fate of next season. Maybe you talk to everyone and not like >10 people. Your so arrogant its actually fucking stupid.

#66

sac

9 Frags – +

global whitelist should be etf2l whitelist, and no changes made to that whitelist without consent of both NA and EU league, so retarded moves like this are null and void.

#67

DuMmTm

Twitch Prime

75 Frags – +

Etf2l weebmins wanted coalplant and even they think that this is stupid lol

#68

Shifta

-1 Frags – +

I think the cow mangler being allowed is a bad decision. It's basically a complete upgrade to stock so a) if the original is your preference then you're just at a straight disadvantage and b) if you prefer stock rl you are at a disadvantage unless you use this weapon which is a complete eyesore to gameplay. Also iirc the projectiles are a lot more difficult to see which is another needless advantage. The charged shots are fun to use, yeah, but other than that what does it add to gameplay? This "we need to whitelist as many weapons as possible just to the point the game is almost but not quite broken" mindset is so pointless. I sure am glad I don't play in esea! :)

#69

SolarLight

9 Frags – +

I can sympathize with unbanning a few of the weapons (I don't think anyone's complaining that the Mantreads would be overpowered, though I get the controversy with the Cow Mangler), but this defeats the point in having a Global Whitelist. I thought it was a priority to ensure that every league is running the same whitelist?

#70

twiikuu

13 Frags – +

hayesWatch this and tell me that this was fair and perfectly fine; https://www.twitch.tv/videos/309398807?t=15m46s

Holy shit that's filthy

[quote=hayes]Watch this and tell me that this was fair and perfectly fine; https://www.twitch.tv/videos/309398807?t=15m46s[/quote]

Holy shit that's filthy

#71

BumFreeze

2 Frags – +

unban atomizer and the pyro weapons but not this shit reeeee

#72

Comanglia

42 Frags – +

For a moment I thought I was going to be able to bring back this bad boy.

https://i.imgur.com/aQ63JQM.png

Glad I can't, but have to say it's odd it isn't seeing as the Cow Mangler is unbanned which will have a larger disruption of flow in the game than any other previously banned weapon save the disciplinary action and quick-fix. The Cow Mangler 5000 is an even better weapon now than when it was banned last time, what makes anyone think it'll be ok now?

For a moment I thought I was going to be able to bring back this bad boy.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/aQ63JQM.png[/img]

Glad I can't, but have to say it's odd it isn't seeing as the Cow Mangler is unbanned which will have a larger disruption of flow in the game than any other previously banned weapon save the disciplinary action and quick-fix. The Cow Mangler 5000 is an even better weapon now than when it was banned last time, what makes anyone think it'll be ok now?

#73

rotidder

-23 Frags – +

>soldier mains complaining about being buffed

#74

Tiuty

3 Frags – +

"AND THE MED DROPS TO PEW PEW PEW PEW LAZER GUN"

#75

Connie-

RGB LAN

6 Frags – +

Man, this season was looking to be one of the best in a long time. Then I saw this :/

#76

mathemaphysicist

9 Frags – +

LOL just dont get hit by lazer

#77

dbk

62 Frags – +

damn maybe rgl was onto something with the whole 'ban b4nny' thing afterall

#78

Redux

7 Frags – +

i am going to punch my penis until i pee blood if i drop to a charge shot ever again or have to deal with a soldier holding left click on choke for centuries

#79

ScrewB

11 Frags – +

B4nny please go away.

#80

reece

61 Frags – +

b4nnyIf you had wanted to join in, you'd have been more than welcome.

b4nny how in the actual fuck could i have possibly known about ur stupid meeting when i only pop in ur stream to remind u i laid pipe on ur mom

b4nnybut to be frank, even if you had been there and planned to contribute anything along the lines of "this item is annoying" I doubt you would have really made much difference in the outcome of the decisions

shut up bitch no one likes u or items that remove strategy from the game

[quote=b4nny]If you had wanted to join in, you'd have been more than welcome.[/quote]
b4nny how in the actual fuck could i have possibly known about ur stupid meeting when i only pop in ur stream to remind u i laid pipe on ur mom

[quote=b4nny]but to be frank, even if you had been there and planned to contribute anything along the lines of "this item is annoying" I doubt you would have really made much difference in the outcome of the decisions[/quote]
shut up bitch no one likes u or items that remove strategy from the game

#81

zheep

18 Frags – +

this weapon is really stupid but charge shotting someone across the map never gets old tbh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrRbDXnZvn8

this weapon is really stupid but charge shotting someone across the map never gets old tbh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrRbDXnZvn8

#82

cukei

24 Frags – +

I know everyone is freaking out about the mangler but don't forget how retarded the pocket pistol is.

It just melts people.

https://clips.twitch.tv/VibrantAstuteSoybeanGOWSkull

I know everyone is freaking out about the mangler but don't forget how retarded the pocket pistol is.

It just melts people.

https://clips.twitch.tv/VibrantAstuteSoybeanGOWSkull

#83

funhaver1998

7 Frags – +

You really could have done that with stock pistol

#84

danny1

29 Frags – +

.

#85

niko

2 Frags – +

it was banned for a reason why tho

#86

Zesty

7 Frags – +

Yo I need to hold this last banny can u unban vaccinator natascha and rescue ranger for me real quick ty.

#87

garbuglio

63 Frags – +

b4nnybotmodelol
the preseason invite meeting that only people you bothered to message knew aboutWhatever conspiracy narrative you're trying to weave has no basis in reality. There were representatives from every single potential invite team known at the time, and the entire thing was publicly streamed (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/303159134?t=1h41m04s lasts about 2 hours). If you had wanted to join in, you'd have been more than welcome. I get that your team was formed last minute and was unable to contribute to the discussions while they were still relevant, and that is far from ideal, but to be frank, even if you had been there and planned to contribute anything along the lines of "this item is annoying" I doubt you would have really made much difference in the outcome of the decisions.

nobody was told that the weapon bans would be decided in this meeting, at least i wasn't because if i was i would have gone 100% and ree'd in the mic every time the cow mangler was even mentioned, the decision to unban these weapons was made by a tiny group of people that were in the right place at the right time, don't you agree that at least an invite-wide vote should be taken?

[quote=b4nny][quote=botmode]lol
the preseason invite meeting that only people you bothered to message knew about[/quote]
Whatever conspiracy narrative you're trying to weave has no basis in reality. There were representatives from every single potential invite team known at the time, and the entire thing was publicly streamed (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/303159134?t=1h41m04s lasts about 2 hours). If you had wanted to join in, you'd have been more than welcome. I get that your team was formed last minute and was unable to contribute to the discussions while they were still relevant, and that is far from ideal, but to be frank, even if you had been there and planned to contribute anything along the lines of "this item is annoying" I doubt you would have really made much difference in the outcome of the decisions.[/quote]
nobody was told that the weapon bans would be decided in this meeting, at least i wasn't because if i was i would have gone 100% and ree'd in the mic every time the cow mangler was even mentioned, the decision to unban these weapons was made by a tiny group of people that were in the right place at the right time, don't you agree that at least an invite-wide vote should be taken?

#88

gemm

5 Frags – +

aren't the mantreads still majorly bugged?

equip them then equip the gunboats and you still have godlike air accel. that's a pretty serious bug that limits how they can be used and they should be banned for it imo.

aren't the mantreads still majorly bugged?

equip them then equip the gunboats and you still have godlike air accel. that's a pretty serious bug that limits how they can be used and they should be banned for it imo.

#89

dippidy

28 Frags – +

cant wait to push against the sparkle gang iron last hold for a whole season again

https://cdn.frankerfacez.com/emoticon/236895/4

cant wait to push against the sparkle gang iron last hold for a whole season again
[img]https://cdn.frankerfacez.com/emoticon/236895/4[/img]

#90

mosh

-16 Frags – +

is this how we acting everytime theres a change, dam

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnjwdongkdA/?taken-by=shutupn00b

is this how we acting everytime theres a change, dam

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnjwdongkdA/?taken-by=shutupn00b