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Sure there's a fair bit of vegans that are annoyingly passionate about their lifestyle and diet but it's hard to argue against what they stand for. I completely agree with why someone would go vegan but I am against people antagonizing everyone that doesn't have the same ethics. It's a bit ironic that some people that shit on vegans are doing the exact same thing the annoying vegans are doing.
Sure there's a fair bit of vegans that are annoyingly passionate about their lifestyle and diet but it's hard to argue against what they stand for. I completely agree with why someone would go vegan but I am against people antagonizing everyone that doesn't have the same ethics. It's a bit ironic that some people that shit on vegans are doing the exact same thing the annoying vegans are doing.
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Here's all you need to know, IMHO.
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Here's all you need to know, IMHO.
Here's all you need to know, IMHO.
being a vegan is objectively better for the environment.
i still like meat tho so.....
if everyone just cut beef from their diet like legit carbon emmissions would go down by 20%
cows make more greenhouse gases than cars like wtf
being a vegan is objectively better for the environment.
i still like meat tho so.....
if everyone just cut beef from their diet like legit carbon emmissions would go down by 20%
cows make more greenhouse gases than cars like wtf
i still like meat tho so.....
if everyone just cut beef from their diet like legit carbon emmissions would go down by 20%
cows make more greenhouse gases than cars like wtf
1) Vegan morality when it comes to the suffering of sentient life cannot be argued against, they are correct in that regard.
I just eat meat because I really don't care about the suffering of animals. I don't need some science motivated excuse to release me of the guilty conscience of eating something that was once alive and felt pain. I just don't feel like it, period.
2) Veganism accomplishes nothing for the environment. A lifetime of veganism cannot offset even a fraction of the damage a single 747 flight causes. It's better for the environment to skip a single 747 flight than it is to spend your entire mortal life without touching meat.
Conversely if you depend on a science motivated excuse to project to yourself some air of environmental importance and of doing good on the world then there's far more efficient means to go about it. Being seriously politically active on imposing laws that undermine and bankrupt the meat industry will do far more for the environment than preachy Facebooktivism, but no one's really that committed, are they?
At the end of the day it's just means of virtue signalling with the (sub?)conscious attempt at social leverage. They, even if they refuse to admit it, merely want to be perceived in a good light. Nothing else.
truktrukSure there's a fair bit of vegans that are annoyingly passionate about their lifestyle and diet but it's hard to argue against what they stand for. I completely agree with why someone would go vegan but I am against people antagonizing everyone that doesn't have the same ethics. It's a bit ironic that some people that shit on vegans are doing the exact same thing the annoying vegans are doing.
Normies gonna normie. In much of the same coin you'll have people praising their meat-eating as some epic pwnage to vegans. Nothing more than social masturbation to validate their position among their group, a classic "us vs them" shitflinging contest that gets tiring the millionth time you witness it.
It's all so very exhausting.
1) Vegan morality when it comes to the suffering of sentient life cannot be argued against, they are correct in that regard.
I just eat meat because I really don't care about the suffering of animals. I don't need some science motivated excuse to release me of the guilty conscience of eating something that was once alive and felt pain. I just don't feel like it, period.
2) Veganism accomplishes nothing for the environment. A lifetime of veganism cannot offset even a fraction of the damage a single 747 flight causes. It's better for the environment to skip a single 747 flight than it is to spend your entire mortal life without touching meat.
Conversely if you depend on a science motivated excuse to project to yourself some air of environmental importance and of doing good on the world then there's far more efficient means to go about it. Being seriously politically active on imposing laws that undermine and bankrupt the meat industry will do far more for the environment than preachy Facebooktivism, but no one's really that committed, are they?
At the end of the day it's just means of virtue signalling with the (sub?)conscious attempt at social leverage. They, even if they refuse to admit it, merely want to be perceived in a good light. Nothing else.
[quote=truktruk]Sure there's a fair bit of vegans that are annoyingly passionate about their lifestyle and diet but it's hard to argue against what they stand for. I completely agree with why someone would go vegan but I am against people antagonizing everyone that doesn't have the same ethics. It's a bit ironic that some people that shit on vegans are doing the exact same thing the annoying vegans are doing.[/quote]
Normies gonna normie. In much of the same coin you'll have people praising their meat-eating as some epic pwnage to vegans. Nothing more than social masturbation to validate their position among their group, a classic "us vs them" shitflinging contest that gets tiring the millionth time you witness it.
It's all so very exhausting.
I just eat meat because I really don't care about the suffering of animals. I don't need some science motivated excuse to release me of the guilty conscience of eating something that was once alive and felt pain. I just don't feel like it, period.
2) Veganism accomplishes nothing for the environment. A lifetime of veganism cannot offset even a fraction of the damage a single 747 flight causes. It's better for the environment to skip a single 747 flight than it is to spend your entire mortal life without touching meat.
Conversely if you depend on a science motivated excuse to project to yourself some air of environmental importance and of doing good on the world then there's far more efficient means to go about it. Being seriously politically active on imposing laws that undermine and bankrupt the meat industry will do far more for the environment than preachy Facebooktivism, but no one's really that committed, are they?
At the end of the day it's just means of virtue signalling with the (sub?)conscious attempt at social leverage. They, even if they refuse to admit it, merely want to be perceived in a good light. Nothing else.
[quote=truktruk]Sure there's a fair bit of vegans that are annoyingly passionate about their lifestyle and diet but it's hard to argue against what they stand for. I completely agree with why someone would go vegan but I am against people antagonizing everyone that doesn't have the same ethics. It's a bit ironic that some people that shit on vegans are doing the exact same thing the annoying vegans are doing.[/quote]
Normies gonna normie. In much of the same coin you'll have people praising their meat-eating as some epic pwnage to vegans. Nothing more than social masturbation to validate their position among their group, a classic "us vs them" shitflinging contest that gets tiring the millionth time you witness it.
It's all so very exhausting.
My mom has a friend who is a vegan. Her husband is literally a pig farmer and he is a vegan also. I mean the man's gotta earn a living so what can you do.
I actually recommend you go vegan. If you make sure to eat enough protein and avoid excessive sugar then you are basically on healthiest diet you can live on. Having a diet consisting entirely of greens and vegetables will most likely add an extra 10-20 years to your lifespan. I definitely respect vegans for having the willpower to eat nothing but vegetables, greens and other disgustingly "healthy" food.
I'm not entirely sure why someone would want to be a vegan instead of a vegetarian if they are doing it for animal rights, nowadays you can buy eggs and milk where the animals are happy and treated well. I'm not a vegetarian because it feels pointless considering the animal is already dead. I mean If I don't eat that steak then it gets thrown away and I think that I should at least give the cow's death some kind of meaning.
My mom has a friend who is a vegan. Her husband is literally a pig farmer and he is a vegan also. I mean the man's gotta earn a living so what can you do.
I actually recommend you go vegan. If you make sure to eat enough protein and avoid excessive sugar then you are basically on healthiest diet you can live on. Having a diet consisting entirely of greens and vegetables will most likely add an extra 10-20 years to your lifespan. I definitely respect vegans for having the willpower to eat nothing but vegetables, greens and other disgustingly "healthy" food.
I'm not entirely sure why someone would want to be a vegan instead of a vegetarian if they are doing it for animal rights, nowadays you can buy eggs and milk where the animals are happy and treated well. I'm not a vegetarian because it feels pointless considering the animal is already dead. I mean If I don't eat that steak then it gets thrown away and I think that I should at least give the cow's death some kind of meaning.
I actually recommend you go vegan. If you make sure to eat enough protein and avoid excessive sugar then you are basically on healthiest diet you can live on. Having a diet consisting entirely of greens and vegetables will most likely add an extra 10-20 years to your lifespan. I definitely respect vegans for having the willpower to eat nothing but vegetables, greens and other disgustingly "healthy" food.
I'm not entirely sure why someone would want to be a vegan instead of a vegetarian if they are doing it for animal rights, nowadays you can buy eggs and milk where the animals are happy and treated well. I'm not a vegetarian because it feels pointless considering the animal is already dead. I mean If I don't eat that steak then it gets thrown away and I think that I should at least give the cow's death some kind of meaning.
GoaskAlicethe first two lines of this pointless paragraph already tells me that you are a fucking idiot
How rude and impolite.
[quote=GoaskAlice]
the first two lines of this pointless paragraph already tells me that you are a fucking idiot[/quote]
How rude and impolite.
the first two lines of this pointless paragraph already tells me that you are a fucking idiot[/quote]
How rude and impolite.
GoaskAlicesheepy_dogs_handthings
the first two lines of this pointless paragraph already tells me that you are a fucking idiot
Your question at the start of this thread already tells me that you are a fucking idiot
[quote=GoaskAlice][quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]things[/quote]
the first two lines of this pointless paragraph already tells me that you are a fucking idiot[/quote]
Your question at the start of this thread already tells me that you are a fucking idiot
the first two lines of this pointless paragraph already tells me that you are a fucking idiot[/quote]
Your question at the start of this thread already tells me that you are a fucking idiot
Fuxx1) Vegan morality when it comes to the suffering of sentient life cannot be argued against, they are correct in that regard.
I just eat meat because I really don't care about the suffering of animals. I don't need some science motivated excuse to release me of the guilty conscience of eating something that was once alive and felt pain. I just don't feel like it, period.
2) Veganism accomplishes nothing for the environment. A lifetime of veganism cannot offset even a fraction of the damage a single 747 flight causes. It's better for the environment to skip a single 747 flight than it is to spend your entire mortal life without touching meat.
Conversely if you depend on a science motivated excuse to project to yourself some air of environmental importance and of doing good on the world then there's far more efficient means to go about it. Being seriously politically active on imposing laws that undermine and bankrupt the meat industry will do far more for the environment than preachy Facebooktivism, but no one's really that committed, are they?
At the end of the day it's just means of virtue signalling with the (sub?)conscious attempt at social leverage. They, even if they refuse to admit it, merely want to be perceived in a good light. Nothing else.
truktrukSure there's a fair bit of vegans that are annoyingly passionate about their lifestyle and diet but it's hard to argue against what they stand for. I completely agree with why someone would go vegan but I am against people antagonizing everyone that doesn't have the same ethics. It's a bit ironic that some people that shit on vegans are doing the exact same thing the annoying vegans are doing.
Normies gonna normie. In much of the same coin you'll have people praising their meat-eating as some epic pwnage to vegans. Nothing more than social masturbation to validate their position among their group, a classic "us vs them" shitflinging contest that gets tiring the millionth time you witness it.
It's all so very exhausting.
This makes so much sense and people downvote it lol
[quote=Fuxx]1) Vegan morality when it comes to the suffering of sentient life cannot be argued against, they are correct in that regard.
I just eat meat because I really don't care about the suffering of animals. I don't need some science motivated excuse to release me of the guilty conscience of eating something that was once alive and felt pain. I just don't feel like it, period.
2) Veganism accomplishes nothing for the environment. A lifetime of veganism cannot offset even a fraction of the damage a single 747 flight causes. It's better for the environment to skip a single 747 flight than it is to spend your entire mortal life without touching meat.
Conversely if you depend on a science motivated excuse to project to yourself some air of environmental importance and of doing good on the world then there's far more efficient means to go about it. Being seriously politically active on imposing laws that undermine and bankrupt the meat industry will do far more for the environment than preachy Facebooktivism, but no one's really that committed, are they?
At the end of the day it's just means of virtue signalling with the (sub?)conscious attempt at social leverage. They, even if they refuse to admit it, merely want to be perceived in a good light. Nothing else.
[quote=truktruk]Sure there's a fair bit of vegans that are annoyingly passionate about their lifestyle and diet but it's hard to argue against what they stand for. I completely agree with why someone would go vegan but I am against people antagonizing everyone that doesn't have the same ethics. It's a bit ironic that some people that shit on vegans are doing the exact same thing the annoying vegans are doing.[/quote]
Normies gonna normie. In much of the same coin you'll have people praising their meat-eating as some epic pwnage to vegans. Nothing more than social masturbation to validate their position among their group, a classic "us vs them" shitflinging contest that gets tiring the millionth time you witness it.
It's all so very exhausting.[/quote]
This makes so much sense and people downvote it lol
I just eat meat because I really don't care about the suffering of animals. I don't need some science motivated excuse to release me of the guilty conscience of eating something that was once alive and felt pain. I just don't feel like it, period.
2) Veganism accomplishes nothing for the environment. A lifetime of veganism cannot offset even a fraction of the damage a single 747 flight causes. It's better for the environment to skip a single 747 flight than it is to spend your entire mortal life without touching meat.
Conversely if you depend on a science motivated excuse to project to yourself some air of environmental importance and of doing good on the world then there's far more efficient means to go about it. Being seriously politically active on imposing laws that undermine and bankrupt the meat industry will do far more for the environment than preachy Facebooktivism, but no one's really that committed, are they?
At the end of the day it's just means of virtue signalling with the (sub?)conscious attempt at social leverage. They, even if they refuse to admit it, merely want to be perceived in a good light. Nothing else.
[quote=truktruk]Sure there's a fair bit of vegans that are annoyingly passionate about their lifestyle and diet but it's hard to argue against what they stand for. I completely agree with why someone would go vegan but I am against people antagonizing everyone that doesn't have the same ethics. It's a bit ironic that some people that shit on vegans are doing the exact same thing the annoying vegans are doing.[/quote]
Normies gonna normie. In much of the same coin you'll have people praising their meat-eating as some epic pwnage to vegans. Nothing more than social masturbation to validate their position among their group, a classic "us vs them" shitflinging contest that gets tiring the millionth time you witness it.
It's all so very exhausting.[/quote]
This makes so much sense and people downvote it lol
VisFuxxAt the end of the day it's just means of virtue signalling with the (sub?)conscious attempt at social leverage. They, even if they refuse to admit it, merely want to be perceived in a good light. Nothing else.This makes so much sense and people downvote it lol
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Normies gonna normie. In much of the same coin you'll have people praising their meat-eating as some epic pwnage to vegans. Nothing more than social masturbation to validate their position among their group, a classic "us vs them" shitflinging contest that gets tiring the millionth time you witness it.
I could only read it as him saying every position you can hold is stupid.
- If you are vegan, then the only reason you're following a personal moral code and don't want to do things you consider unethical is because you're a narcissist.
- If you are against vegans, then you're just a part of a stupid circlejerk.
- If you are fine with most vegans, then you're a normie.
It somehow manages to act smugly superior to vegans, while calling out people who act smugly superior to vegans (and anyone who realizes that not every vegan is awful).
sheepy_dogs_handI'm not entirely sure why someone would want to be a vegan instead of a vegetarian if they are doing it for animal rights, nowadays you can buy eggs and milk where the animals are happy and treated well. I'm not a vegetarian because it feels pointless considering the animal is already dead. I mean If I don't eat that steak then it gets thrown away and I think that I should at least give the cow's death some kind of meaning.
I think the main arguments are:
- increasing demand, even if you're buying from good sources, will make producers increase supply and a lot of that will come from places that don't care much about animal rights / those good sources may have to compromise in order to ramp up production.
- even if the animals are treated well, the idea that they're selectively bred, born, and raised solely for people to eat/use doesn't sit well with some people.
I eat meat too, and don't take a personal issue with either, but I can understand why they'd feel the way they do. Of course you also get some idiots that think farms are abusive for fun or other nonsense, but all the vegans I've met in real life are completely rational about it.
[quote=Vis][quote=Fuxx]At the end of the day it's just means of virtue signalling with the (sub?)conscious attempt at social leverage. They, even if they refuse to admit it, merely want to be perceived in a good light. Nothing else.
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Normies gonna normie. In much of the same coin you'll have people praising their meat-eating as some epic pwnage to vegans. Nothing more than social masturbation to validate their position among their group, a classic "us vs them" shitflinging contest that gets tiring the millionth time you witness it.[/quote]
This makes so much sense and people downvote it lol[/quote]
I could only read it as him saying every position you can hold is stupid.
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[*] If you are vegan, then the only reason you're following a personal moral code and don't want to do things you consider unethical is because you're a narcissist.
[*] If you are against vegans, then you're just a part of a stupid circlejerk.
[*] If you are fine with most vegans, then you're a normie.
[/list]
It somehow manages to act smugly superior to vegans, while calling out people who act smugly superior to vegans (and anyone who realizes that not every vegan is awful).[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]I'm not entirely sure why someone would want to be a vegan instead of a vegetarian if they are doing it for animal rights, nowadays you can buy eggs and milk where the animals are happy and treated well. I'm not a vegetarian because it feels pointless considering the animal is already dead. I mean If I don't eat that steak then it gets thrown away and I think that I should at least give the cow's death some kind of meaning.[/quote]
I think the main arguments are:
- increasing demand, even if you're buying from good sources, will make producers increase supply and a lot of that will come from places that don't care much about animal rights / those good sources may have to compromise in order to ramp up production.
- even if the animals are treated well, the idea that they're selectively bred, born, and raised solely for people to eat/use doesn't sit well with some people.
I eat meat too, and don't take a personal issue with either, but I can understand why they'd feel the way they do. Of course you also get some idiots that think farms are abusive for fun or other nonsense, but all the vegans I've met in real life are completely rational about it.
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Normies gonna normie. In much of the same coin you'll have people praising their meat-eating as some epic pwnage to vegans. Nothing more than social masturbation to validate their position among their group, a classic "us vs them" shitflinging contest that gets tiring the millionth time you witness it.[/quote]
This makes so much sense and people downvote it lol[/quote]
I could only read it as him saying every position you can hold is stupid.
[list]
[*] If you are vegan, then the only reason you're following a personal moral code and don't want to do things you consider unethical is because you're a narcissist.
[*] If you are against vegans, then you're just a part of a stupid circlejerk.
[*] If you are fine with most vegans, then you're a normie.
[/list]
It somehow manages to act smugly superior to vegans, while calling out people who act smugly superior to vegans (and anyone who realizes that not every vegan is awful).[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]I'm not entirely sure why someone would want to be a vegan instead of a vegetarian if they are doing it for animal rights, nowadays you can buy eggs and milk where the animals are happy and treated well. I'm not a vegetarian because it feels pointless considering the animal is already dead. I mean If I don't eat that steak then it gets thrown away and I think that I should at least give the cow's death some kind of meaning.[/quote]
I think the main arguments are:
- increasing demand, even if you're buying from good sources, will make producers increase supply and a lot of that will come from places that don't care much about animal rights / those good sources may have to compromise in order to ramp up production.
- even if the animals are treated well, the idea that they're selectively bred, born, and raised solely for people to eat/use doesn't sit well with some people.
I eat meat too, and don't take a personal issue with either, but I can understand why they'd feel the way they do. Of course you also get some idiots that think farms are abusive for fun or other nonsense, but all the vegans I've met in real life are completely rational about it.
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