MunkymanPeople being unable to pick their class or have their class picked for them them lead to many people not playing or helped create a really toxic atmosphere which lead to people not playing. I don't think you can have a system like this be successful without some kind of class picking.
This.
Also, the lack of substitiution system.
[quote=Munkyman]People being unable to pick their class or have their class picked for them them lead to many people not playing or helped create a really toxic atmosphere which lead to people not playing. I don't think you can have a system like this be successful without some kind of class picking.[/quote]
This.
Also, the lack of substitiution system.
A few changes.
Picking Order Adjusted
Team picking order is now A-BB-AA-B-A-B. This means that the team that gets first pick will also get the last player remaining at the end of the picking process. This is intended to equalize the picking advantage between captains and provide more balanced games.
Amateur/Open Division Changes
The Amateur division has been renamed to the Open division. Open division will allow join of levels 4-10 and queue of levels 1-10. Essentially, anyone who has leveled out of Beginner or been allowed a division moveup may play in the Open division. Open division will be a place for players of all skill levels to mingle. It will be under the same strict behavior enforcement as Beginner division.
Join those divisions here: NA Open, EU Open
New Cooldowns, Bans, Rules
-Abandoner penalty has been increased to 1 week. Don’t leave games. We hope this change will make abandons much more uncommon.
-Permanent bans will be handed to any users that deliberately or repeatedly disrupt the experience of other players and the smooth operation of TF2PL.
-Any live matches with an abandoner (entire 5 minute grace period passed, outcome of match not clearly decided) can and will be canceled if an admin is informed. Any concluded matches with an abandoner that need Elo reverted now can and will be properly handled. We're implementing a new pathway of communication with FACEIT to ensure the reversion of Elo in ruined matches.
Regarding Reports
All reports with no specific evidence will be discarded. It is highly recommended that you provide screenshots, chatlogs or stream VODs of the situations you are reporting. All reports with specific evidence submitted will be evaluated normally.
Medic Prizing Adjustment
Medic prizes for the top 4 medics by ubercharges popped will be delivered in the form of Mann Co keys. Prizes will scale per division, with no ceiling, and no rounding, as follows: Beginner - 1 key/100 ubers, Open - 2 keys/100 ubers, Advanced - 3 keys/100 ubers, Invite - 4 keys/100 ubers
Prizes from S3+4, in accordance with these changes, will be posted tomorrow in the Discord. Be sure to check if you won anything.
A few changes.
[u][b]Picking Order Adjusted[/b][/u]
Team picking order is now A-BB-AA-B-A-B. This means that the team that gets first pick will also get the last player remaining at the end of the picking process. This is intended to equalize the picking advantage between captains and provide more balanced games.
[u][b]Amateur/Open Division Changes[/b][/u]
The Amateur division has been renamed to the Open division. Open division will allow join of levels 4-10 and queue of levels 1-10. Essentially, anyone who has leveled out of Beginner or been allowed a division moveup may play in the Open division. Open division will be a place for players of all skill levels to mingle. It will be under the same strict behavior enforcement as Beginner division.
Join those divisions here: [url=https://www.faceit.com/en/hub/3c265612-dd2a-4d1f-8cf4-c8a6c1d92472/NA%20-%20TF2PL%20Open%20Division]NA Open[/url], [url=https://www.faceit.com/en/hub/5dd0a523-dd96-420a-9c68-bbba6d0b1281/EU%20-%20TF2PL%20Open%20Division]EU Open[/url]
[u][b]New Cooldowns, Bans, Rules[/b][/u]
-Abandoner penalty has been increased to 1 week. Don’t leave games. We hope this change will make abandons much more uncommon.
-Permanent bans will be handed to any users that deliberately or repeatedly disrupt the experience of other players and the smooth operation of TF2PL.
-Any live matches with an abandoner (entire 5 minute grace period passed, outcome of match not clearly decided) can and will be canceled if an admin is informed. Any concluded matches with an abandoner that need Elo reverted now can and will be properly handled. We're implementing a new pathway of communication with FACEIT to ensure the reversion of Elo in ruined matches.
[u][b]Regarding Reports[/b][/u]
All reports with no specific evidence will be discarded. It is highly recommended that you provide screenshots, chatlogs or stream VODs of the situations you are reporting. All reports with specific evidence submitted will be evaluated normally.
[u][b]Medic Prizing Adjustment[/b][/u]
Medic prizes for the top 4 medics by ubercharges popped will be delivered in the form of Mann Co keys. Prizes will scale per division, with no ceiling, and no rounding, as follows: Beginner - 1 key/100 ubers, Open - 2 keys/100 ubers, Advanced - 3 keys/100 ubers, Invite - 4 keys/100 ubers
Prizes from S3+4, in accordance with these changes, will be posted tomorrow in the Discord. Be sure to check if you won anything.
Really happy with these changes, Amateur has been a really fun place to play with players my level and frag and I’m glad that it’s not only been able to be alive, but that you are still improving it and working on this project.
Really happy with these changes, Amateur has been a really fun place to play with players my level and frag and I’m glad that it’s not only been able to be alive, but that you are still improving it and working on this project.
https://www.faceit.com/en/tf2/room/1-9cfe9d51-1b6f-4680-9c55-924dcae457cf/scoreboard
800+ dpm in a pug
This popped up in the PugChamp thread. http://www.teamfortress.tv/31303/pugchamp/?page=42
NurseyFYI, there always has been a 'no class switching' rule but every admin on the site (including me) have been extremely lenient on it. This was to the point where it was practically never enforced. The rule is being enforced much more heavily now due to some pugs lately being complete blow outs from people changing to their main classes. Please do not switch off the class you were picked on.
It's this easy. If Faceit has admins with chat logs and a captain saying "player plays this class," then Faceit can have a rule enforcing what role players must fill. Seems to me this solves a major portion of the complaints that were being made when the platform released, and are still relevant now.
This popped up in the PugChamp thread. http://www.teamfortress.tv/31303/pugchamp/?page=42
[quote=Nursey]FYI, there always has been a 'no class switching' rule but every admin on the site (including me) have been extremely lenient on it. This was to the point where it was practically never enforced. The rule is being enforced much more heavily now due to some pugs lately being complete blow outs from people changing to their main classes. Please do not switch off the class you were picked on.[/quote]
It's this easy. If Faceit has admins with chat logs and a captain saying "player plays this class," then Faceit can have a rule enforcing what role players must fill. Seems to me this solves a major portion of the complaints that were being made when the platform released, and are still relevant now.
MenachemThis popped up in the PugChamp thread. http://www.teamfortress.tv/31303/pugchamp/?page=42
NurseyFYI, there always has been a 'no class switching' rule but every admin on the site (including me) have been extremely lenient on it. This was to the point where it was practically never enforced. The rule is being enforced much more heavily now due to some pugs lately being complete blow outs from people changing to their main classes. Please do not switch off the class you were picked on.
It's this easy. If Faceit has admins with chat logs and a captain saying "player plays this class," then Faceit can have a rule enforcing what role players must fill. Seems to me this solves a major portion of the complaints that were being made when the platform released, and are still relevant now.
TF2PL already has enforcement of these rules, I'm sure you know. (If you want a page of all rules we enforce then take a look here: https://tf2pl.com/rules.html ) If a player is not playing a class they are supposed to, or is refusing to change off a class, you have all right to report them. This is the rule enforcing we have at tf2pl, based on reports. as I am not a Admin just a Support I do not know if admins have chat logs specifically where you are talking about, if you are talking about in faceit, then admins may have chat logs (however these are rarely used in my experience). If you are talking about in game chat logs, this may be a difficult task as faceit has certain restrictions on what information we gather from the matches (reason why we don't use logstf) also this may be also not very useful as most conversation is carried out in Discord. There are reasons why we don't run a system where you pick players based on classes is to avoid fatkidding. TF2PL is meant to support beginner players from the start, and have professional players enjoy a leisure pugging system. If I have missed something of your proposal feel free to correct me or offer other feedback. Thanks.
[quote=Menachem]This popped up in the PugChamp thread. http://www.teamfortress.tv/31303/pugchamp/?page=42
[quote=Nursey]FYI, there always has been a 'no class switching' rule but every admin on the site (including me) have been extremely lenient on it. This was to the point where it was practically never enforced. The rule is being enforced much more heavily now due to some pugs lately being complete blow outs from people changing to their main classes. Please do not switch off the class you were picked on.[/quote]
It's this easy. If Faceit has admins with chat logs and a captain saying "player plays this class," then Faceit can have a rule enforcing what role players must fill. Seems to me this solves a major portion of the complaints that were being made when the platform released, and are still relevant now.[/quote]
TF2PL already has enforcement of these rules, I'm sure you know. (If you want a page of all rules we enforce then take a look here: https://tf2pl.com/rules.html ) If a player is not playing a class they are supposed to, or is refusing to change off a class, you have all right to report them. This is the rule enforcing we have at tf2pl, based on reports. as I am not a Admin just a Support I do not know if admins have chat logs specifically where you are talking about, if you are talking about in faceit, then admins may have chat logs (however these are rarely used in my experience). If you are talking about in game chat logs, this may be a difficult task as faceit has certain restrictions on what information we gather from the matches (reason why we don't use logstf) also this may be also not very useful as most conversation is carried out in Discord. There are reasons why we don't run a system where you pick players based on classes is to avoid fatkidding. TF2PL is meant to support beginner players from the start, and have professional players enjoy a leisure pugging system. If I have missed something of your proposal feel free to correct me or offer other feedback. Thanks.
Oh shit yeah that works well, so if someone is offclassing we can just report them, they get removed, and then the sub join and the pug is gr-
o wait
Oh shit yeah that works well, so if someone is offclassing we can just report them, they get removed, and then the sub join and the pug is gr-
o wait
crackbabydumpsterOh shit yeah that works well, so if someone is offclassing we can just report them, they get removed, and then the sub join and the pug is gr-
o wait
beats the 1 hour ban at 4am on pugchamp
[quote=crackbabydumpster]Oh shit yeah that works well, so if someone is offclassing we can just report them, they get removed, and then the sub join and the pug is gr-
o wait[/quote]
beats the 1 hour ban at 4am on pugchamp
crackbabydumpsterOh shit yeah that works well, so if someone is offclassing we can just report them, they get removed, and then the sub join and the pug is gr-
o wait
If someone throws or breaks rules in any other way, you can report the match and the elo of the match get refunded so it doesn't count as a loss. After that, a game will start right away without that player. There are functions available to prevent the throwing of games. We are planning on adding changes to the site, so if you want to submit feedback you can do so either in the discord itself or I guess you can just say here idk.
[quote=crackbabydumpster]Oh shit yeah that works well, so if someone is offclassing we can just report them, they get removed, and then the sub join and the pug is gr-
o wait[/quote]
If someone throws or breaks rules in any other way, you can report the match and the elo of the match get refunded so it doesn't count as a loss. After that, a game will start right away without that player. There are functions available to prevent the throwing of games. We are planning on adding changes to the site, so if you want to submit feedback you can do so either in the discord itself or I guess you can just say here idk.