Valve has MM. Valve can make direct changes to anything they want at any time. Valve also has billions and of billions of dollars to throw at any event they want irregardless of what the community says. Saying that WE are somehow the ones responsible for what happens is insane. We have ZERO control, valve has all control and it is their decision to do something.

hey if you guys (the open whitelist activists) wanna throw a fit and play a different game then im all for it

just shut the fuck up about it

nothings gonna change, valve cannot change

500 days

why so hostile?

i'm a cunt

but these things are played with in pubs and they pubbers say the same shit we do why dont they change to accommodate that?

for example the soda popper, crit a cola and baby face are, from my experience, the most complained about in the pubs that i play at least which is like purely harvest and those ones are sort of the main things we are keeping out of 6s (like top tier of shit we absolutely do not want) so if we are out right rejecting it as a community and the pubbers hate it so much too then why, if they are willing, have they not changed these things? or proof tested it or watever its been like months if not a year these things are exactly the same

idk where they get their pubber inspired changes from anyway because i never saw a pubber complain about stickies ever or ambassador

the conversation is kinda pointless anyway because i think enjoyment of the game for the top scene of tf2 is on thin ice atm players actually do not want to play it as it is and spend a fuck tonne of time complaining (tune into any prem/invite stream not playing scrims/officials) so giving them more shit to complain about will just end up losing valuable community members

i dont even want more shit in the game even if its not broken/annoying/bad or whatever its really a good thing that everyone plays with the same shit

if whatever stupid wep u can think of was unbanned it wouldn't effect the player base in a positive way at all because although pubbers are telling you that they're not playing because they want 6 pyros, really that's not the reason at all and its just an excuse. the real reason is that they have mad fragile egos and don't think they're good enough because they watch B4nny all day and think 'waw i cant do that' and then just don't play or have any desire to play and then even mock it, the idea that someone would wanna be good at this game. just talk to a pubber

if valve actually wanted us to use an open white list in exchange for support they would have made Sigafoo's league their own self with more money

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/038/094/0a1.jpg

they haven't even given us anything to ignore

.

Except multiple fucking tournament organizers said that the R8 would be banned from their tournaments BEFORE it was played at a tournament that has money involved

so how come when we told them what to fix in meet your match they ignored it and released it without patching shit
the community is like a mother to some shut in neet who refuses to take responsibility at this point lolol

ye bro i can tell you're been observing well.... your only tftv posts are either about anime, unbanning unlocks, making the learning curve simpler, making the game a successful esport like dota by simply saying "ok devs we play by ur rules"
your third post (would be second if u didnt fatfinger ur entire keyboard) on this site is

in response to "What's the logic behind unbanning unlocks" and i can tell u for a fact that the way esports work is that the publishers of the game fund tournaments with specific rules (USUALLY EXISTING COMMUNITY DECIDED RULES), the community plays with these tournament rules because there's no fucking use in playing with other rules than what the majors use because the majors are what you'll focus on winning

damn its like we got given a game, liked the mechanics, asked ourselves: how the fuck do we make this mess into a competitive game? the community decided after testing 5v5, 6v6, 7v7 and other things that 6v6 was the best way, then for a brief time people could use shit like 2 demos (which later got reduced to 1 because of how strong the class was)
cs 1.6 was also a fucking mess in the start but the community decided the best way to compete in it was by playing 5v5, timelimit 1:45 and starting money 800 (crazy how similar they are to the current csgo rules?!?!?!)
valve decided after some time to use tf2 as a testing ground for in game economies, which has later made its way to portal 2, dota 2 and csgo
( https://youtu.be/RHC-uGDbu7s and https://youtu.be/gd_QeY9uATA
kinda funny how the first video has this image with leagues written on it when talking about letting your users fight to improve your product )
while valve used to help out the community a lot (adding command to disable random crits) they have with time cared less, the Team Fortress 2 Test (game to test new weapons and cosmetics) has been removed from libraries and since theres so many items, pubs are a fucking mess, csgo casual pubs are a fucking mess
the csgo devs implemented mm to follow the rules of cs 1.6/css comp rules and people liked it
the tf2 devs implemented mm to use their own rules and people disliked it (MAYBE BECAUSE DEVS ARENT GOOD AT PLAYING THEIR PRODUCT?!?!?)

tf2 bad mechanic = mm uses retarded rules
developer response = dont care, going silent

dota 2 and every other game on this list has waaaay more devs than tf2

were banned in tourneys before it was tested to be balanced, the devs later fixed that themselves by not allowing the MP5 to be used in comp until a month after it got into the game to avoid potential abuse of the weapon and patching it before it was in competitive play

goat meta was complained about since the day it was used, but lets use ur logic and apply it to tf2
uncle dane made a vid on why the wrangler is op almost a week ago!!!! where is nerf?? D:

paging Copper

this virgin essay was too long for 1 post

community: hey dudes we would like to play with wrangler but as it looks right now its kinda broken and very unfun :/ the thing that is currently broken is: too much fucking hp and it just denies pushes too easily, we suggest doing this to fix it [...]
valve:
COOL MAN EPIC continue ignoring previous attempts at testing unlocks and coming to conclusions how fucking broken they are and not be given a balance patch even after telling the devs which values to change in order for the weapon to be fun and fair

damn they are all from before meet your match was released which was also released with a lot of bugs still not patched out of it from when it was beta tested because devs didnt care lol!!

when asked about that nursey avoided answering and was silent for the rest of the thread, when b4nny was asked what the devs have told him he jumps around the question like some shitter on spire or at best gives the most vague statement

reminder that MM only came to exist after a bunch of competitive players had to group together and branch out to Valve to ask them for some kind of support (after which was attempted before for years).

on the upside Valve actually listened and did something
the downside is that they completely disregarded a whole decade of the community figuring out what and what isn't balanced and fun and the way they handled it was so heavily disorganised and rushed that people made jokes that there were only 2 developers working on that project and one of them was Valve's janitor

so in the end we ended up with forced directx 9 despite no attempts in fixing the horrible optimisation issues, no class limits, no whitelist, 2 hour long queue time, dumbass rollout prevention freeze time, first-to-2 rounds, viewmodel_fov 54, forced r_drawviewmodels 1, foundry/2fort/turbine/vanguard in the map rotation, pointless ranks that had no meaning other than jerking people off, a barrage of hackers pouring in like an avalanche with zero control and a clusterfuck of a mess that still had abhorrent glitches

In all honesty I don't exactly blame them since they atleast tried instead of giving more radio silence but you can't say "oh we're the ones not listening" and deny that this didn't disapoint you

it really doesnt make sense to me how so many ppl are content with ruining the fun of the videogame so that they can make money from playing the videogame. why didnt u ppl just go overwatch

they wouldn't make more money than they already do though

the TF2 devs cant do shit for us money wise, if you want valve (THE COMPANY, NOT THE TF2 DEVS) to give us a major you need to convince them that investing in a tournament WILL return a large profit without influencing current prices of items in a negative way, for example if 6s was played with our rules, the price of heavy cosmetics wont go down even if heavy isn't seen anywhere but on last and even then only for 2 seconds
also gl trying to get the person who tunes in for 15 minutes while browsing twitch manages to understand the huge importance of ubers which is easier said than done since in dota 2 and csgo the objective and how to reach it is really easily understandable, for csgo its plant/defuse a bomb by getting to a bombsite or kill the enemy team, for dota its destroy the ancient by destroying towers and barracks
in tf2 you have 5cp which is a foreign format for a fuckton of people, A/D, KOTH and payload are easier to understand but then you lose the quality of gameplay that 5cp offers
cosmetics do nothing but shit the entire situation up even more, skins in overwatch still leaves every character recognizable whereas some cosmetics change the silhouettes too much for the casual viewer to be able to instantly tell which class it is what the fuck is this