Wills I'm sure you realize this but, the attitude of complete trust in leadership has caused some of the most tragic things in the world, like the holocaust. /Godwin'd
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Wills I'm sure you realize this but, the attitude of complete trust in leadership has caused some of the most tragic things in the world, like the holocaust. /Godwin'd
the reaction of wills reminds me of all the people that defended their hacker teammates in the past
it's actually uncannily similar to ezell
the reaction of wills reminds me of all the people that defended their hacker teammates in the past
it's actually uncannily similar to ezell
it's actually uncannily similar to ezell
And then there's this gold from the UGC forums:
wills4545They just aren't used to somebody who won't mindlessly agree with the status quo. That's why Mustard has the occasional problem :P
I stood my ground, explained my case, defended myself in a polite manner.
If people actually understood my points (or even tried to), then the argument would barely have started.
All I said (and continued to say) was that I take a man at his word until proven otherwise. It's not fair to accuse someone of lying unless you can prove it. If Moose was lying, he'll get double the heat, but if it comes out he was honest, then I'll have nothing to say.
And then there's this gold from the UGC forums:
[QUOTE=wills4545]They just aren't used to somebody who won't mindlessly agree with the status quo. That's why Mustard has the occasional problem :P
I stood my ground, explained my case, defended myself in a polite manner.
If people actually understood my points (or even tried to), then the argument would barely have started.
All I said (and continued to say) was that I take a man at his word until proven otherwise. It's not fair to accuse someone of lying unless you can prove it. If Moose was lying, he'll get double the heat, but if it comes out he was honest, then I'll have nothing to say.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=wills4545]They just aren't used to somebody who won't mindlessly agree with the status quo. That's why Mustard has the occasional problem :P
I stood my ground, explained my case, defended myself in a polite manner.
If people actually understood my points (or even tried to), then the argument would barely have started.
All I said (and continued to say) was that I take a man at his word until proven otherwise. It's not fair to accuse someone of lying unless you can prove it. If Moose was lying, he'll get double the heat, but if it comes out he was honest, then I'll have nothing to say.[/QUOTE]
Foxthe reaction of wills reminds me of all the people that defended their hacker teammates in the past
it's actually uncannily similar to ezell
and otakuscott (Lord_Droll shit up that thread)
[quote=Fox]the reaction of wills reminds me of all the people that defended their hacker teammates in the past
it's actually uncannily similar to ezell[/quote]
and otakuscott (Lord_Droll shit up that thread)
it's actually uncannily similar to ezell[/quote]
and otakuscott (Lord_Droll shit up that thread)
RoyceAnd then there's this gold from the UGC forums:
wills4545They just aren't used to somebody who won't mindlessly agree with the status quo. That's why Mustard has the occasional problem :P
I stood my ground, explained my case, defended myself in a polite manner.
If people actually understood my points (or even tried to), then the argument would barely have started.
All I said (and continued to say) was that I take a man at his word until proven otherwise. It's not fair to accuse someone of lying unless you can prove it. If Moose was lying, he'll get double the heat, but if it comes out he was honest, then I'll have nothing to say.
cause we cannot trust this "VAC" they are talking about. thousands and thousands get banned for using hacks while innocent :(
[quote=Royce]And then there's this gold from the UGC forums:
[QUOTE=wills4545]They just aren't used to somebody who won't mindlessly agree with the status quo. That's why Mustard has the occasional problem :P
I stood my ground, explained my case, defended myself in a polite manner.
If people actually understood my points (or even tried to), then the argument would barely have started.
All I said (and continued to say) was that I take a man at his word until proven otherwise. It's not fair to accuse someone of lying unless you can prove it. If Moose was lying, he'll get double the heat, but if it comes out he was honest, then I'll have nothing to say.[/QUOTE][/quote]
cause we cannot trust this "VAC" they are talking about. thousands and thousands get banned for using hacks while innocent :(
[QUOTE=wills4545]They just aren't used to somebody who won't mindlessly agree with the status quo. That's why Mustard has the occasional problem :P
I stood my ground, explained my case, defended myself in a polite manner.
If people actually understood my points (or even tried to), then the argument would barely have started.
All I said (and continued to say) was that I take a man at his word until proven otherwise. It's not fair to accuse someone of lying unless you can prove it. If Moose was lying, he'll get double the heat, but if it comes out he was honest, then I'll have nothing to say.[/QUOTE][/quote]
cause we cannot trust this "VAC" they are talking about. thousands and thousands get banned for using hacks while innocent :(
martenRoyceAnd then there's this gold from the UGC forums:
wills4545They just aren't used to somebody who won't mindlessly agree with the status quo. That's why Mustard has the occasional problem :P
I stood my ground, explained my case, defended myself in a polite manner.
If people actually understood my points (or even tried to), then the argument would barely have started.
All I said (and continued to say) was that I take a man at his word until proven otherwise. It's not fair to accuse someone of lying unless you can prove it. If Moose was lying, he'll get double the heat, but if it comes out he was honest, then I'll have nothing to say.
cause we cannot trust this "VAC" they are talking about. thousands and thousands get banned for using hacks while innocent :(
what is this
[quote=marten][quote=Royce]And then there's this gold from the UGC forums:
[QUOTE=wills4545]They just aren't used to somebody who won't mindlessly agree with the status quo. That's why Mustard has the occasional problem :P
I stood my ground, explained my case, defended myself in a polite manner.
If people actually understood my points (or even tried to), then the argument would barely have started.
All I said (and continued to say) was that I take a man at his word until proven otherwise. It's not fair to accuse someone of lying unless you can prove it. If Moose was lying, he'll get double the heat, but if it comes out he was honest, then I'll have nothing to say.[/QUOTE][/quote]
cause we cannot trust this "VAC" they are talking about. thousands and thousands get banned for using hacks while innocent :([/quote]
what is this
[QUOTE=wills4545]They just aren't used to somebody who won't mindlessly agree with the status quo. That's why Mustard has the occasional problem :P
I stood my ground, explained my case, defended myself in a polite manner.
If people actually understood my points (or even tried to), then the argument would barely have started.
All I said (and continued to say) was that I take a man at his word until proven otherwise. It's not fair to accuse someone of lying unless you can prove it. If Moose was lying, he'll get double the heat, but if it comes out he was honest, then I'll have nothing to say.[/QUOTE][/quote]
cause we cannot trust this "VAC" they are talking about. thousands and thousands get banned for using hacks while innocent :([/quote]
what is this
Turinwhat is this
thats me trying to be funny :/
[quote=Turin]
what is this[/quote]
thats me trying to be funny :/
what is this[/quote]
thats me trying to be funny :/
As Jerro just noticed on the UGC forums:
wait
did someone just delete downpour's thread from earlier? cause i can't find it
http://www.ugcleague.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6414
admins pls explain, that thread has questions that a lot of people are asking
Apparently they deleted the thread that Downpour started in which he was asking legitimate questions about Moose's VAC ban.
As Jerro just noticed on the UGC forums:
[quote]wait
did someone just delete downpour's thread from earlier? cause i can't find it
http://www.ugcleague.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6414
admins pls explain, that thread has questions that a lot of people are asking[/quote]
Apparently they deleted the thread that Downpour started in which he was asking legitimate questions about Moose's VAC ban.
[quote]wait
did someone just delete downpour's thread from earlier? cause i can't find it
http://www.ugcleague.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6414
admins pls explain, that thread has questions that a lot of people are asking[/quote]
Apparently they deleted the thread that Downpour started in which he was asking legitimate questions about Moose's VAC ban.
martenTurinwhat is this
thats me trying to be funny :/
It's a valid point though. Wills' argument is that he trusts Moose's word that he didn't hack. Does that mean he doesn't trust VAC to detect cheaters? Like I said on the other forums, sure VAC comes up with false-positives occasionally, but Moose is not infallible either.
[quote=marten][quote=Turin]
what is this[/quote]
thats me trying to be funny :/[/quote]
It's a valid point though. Wills' argument is that he trusts Moose's word that he didn't hack. Does that mean he doesn't trust VAC to detect cheaters? Like I said on the other forums, sure VAC comes up with false-positives occasionally, but Moose is not infallible either.
what is this[/quote]
thats me trying to be funny :/[/quote]
It's a valid point though. Wills' argument is that he trusts Moose's word that he didn't hack. Does that mean he doesn't trust VAC to detect cheaters? Like I said on the other forums, sure VAC comes up with false-positives occasionally, but Moose is not infallible either.
vanillaAs Jerro just noticed on the UGC forums:
wait
did someone just delete downpour's thread from earlier? cause i can't find it
http://www.ugcleague.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6414
admins pls explain, that thread has questions that a lot of people are asking
Apparently they deleted the thread that Downpour started in which he was asking legitimate questions about Moose's VAC ban.
Jesus christ, the UGC admins are bad at their job.
[quote=vanilla]As Jerro just noticed on the UGC forums:
[quote]wait
did someone just delete downpour's thread from earlier? cause i can't find it
http://www.ugcleague.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6414
admins pls explain, that thread has questions that a lot of people are asking[/quote]
Apparently they deleted the thread that Downpour started in which he was asking legitimate questions about Moose's VAC ban.[/quote]
Jesus christ, the UGC admins are bad at their job.
[quote]wait
did someone just delete downpour's thread from earlier? cause i can't find it
http://www.ugcleague.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6414
admins pls explain, that thread has questions that a lot of people are asking[/quote]
Apparently they deleted the thread that Downpour started in which he was asking legitimate questions about Moose's VAC ban.[/quote]
Jesus christ, the UGC admins are bad at their job.
One does not simply "remove" things from the internet.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15438980/6414.htm
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15438980/6414_2.htm
This is getting ridiculous, just let us talk about how your admin may or may have fucked up, stop censoring posts and man the fuck up and say what you're going to do about it.
If you're going to be shady and do a bunch of back door bullshit, then then Illinois Governorship is up for election pretty soon, you guys will all fit right in.
For fucks sake, we just want some responsibility on the part of the admins for once. Ya'll are making Killing look like Winston fucking Churchill right now.
EDIT: and it appears as if UGC has mysteriously restored that post they took down earlier... innnnnnnteresting.
One does not simply "remove" things from the internet.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15438980/6414.htm
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15438980/6414_2.htm
This is getting ridiculous, just let us talk about how your admin may or may have fucked up, stop censoring posts and man the fuck up and say what you're going to do about it.
If you're going to be shady and do a bunch of back door bullshit, then then Illinois Governorship is up for election pretty soon, you guys will all fit right in.
For fucks sake, we just want some responsibility on the part of the admins for once. Ya'll are making Killing look like Winston fucking Churchill right now.
EDIT: and it appears as if UGC has mysteriously restored that post they took down earlier... innnnnnnteresting.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15438980/6414.htm
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15438980/6414_2.htm
This is getting ridiculous, just let us talk about how your admin may or may have fucked up, stop censoring posts and man the fuck up and say what you're going to do about it.
If you're going to be shady and do a bunch of back door bullshit, then then Illinois Governorship is up for election pretty soon, you guys will all fit right in.
For fucks sake, we just want some responsibility on the part of the admins for once. Ya'll are making Killing look like Winston fucking Churchill right now.
EDIT: and it appears as if UGC has mysteriously restored that post they took down earlier... innnnnnnteresting.
I remember when CPL was banned from ESEA , half the pug.nahl community at the time had #freecpl tag in their names.
5 months later 3 of his alt accounts were VAC banned. Some ppl still deny he ever hacked in the league. Wills is one of those ppl.
I remember when CPL was banned from ESEA , half the pug.nahl community at the time had #freecpl tag in their names.
5 months later 3 of his alt accounts were VAC banned. Some ppl still deny he ever hacked in the league. Wills is one of those ppl.
5 months later 3 of his alt accounts were VAC banned. Some ppl still deny he ever hacked in the league. Wills is one of those ppl.
http://www.ugcleague.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6425
Let's see if they delete it.
http://www.ugcleague.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6425
Let's see if they delete it.
Let's see if they delete it.
at this rate I wouldn't be surprised if downpour disappeared into a UGC labor camp
at this rate I wouldn't be surprised if downpour disappeared into a UGC labor camp
MoooI remember when CPL was banned from ESEA , half the pug.nahl community at the time had #freecpl tag in their names.
5 months later 3 of his alt accounts were VAC banned. Some ppl still deny he ever hacked in the league. Wills is one of those ppl.
anakin from etf2l had screenshots that proved he hacked. http://etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-21038/page-24/?recent=437331#post-406387
[quote=Mooo]I remember when CPL was banned from ESEA , half the pug.nahl community at the time had #freecpl tag in their names.
5 months later 3 of his alt accounts were VAC banned. Some ppl still deny he ever hacked in the league. Wills is one of those ppl.[/quote]
anakin from etf2l had screenshots that proved he hacked. http://etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-21038/page-24/?recent=437331#post-406387
[img]http://i.imgur.com/CrJOb.jpg[/img]
5 months later 3 of his alt accounts were VAC banned. Some ppl still deny he ever hacked in the league. Wills is one of those ppl.[/quote]
anakin from etf2l had screenshots that proved he hacked. http://etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-21038/page-24/?recent=437331#post-406387
[img]http://i.imgur.com/CrJOb.jpg[/img]
I voiced my opinion in the new thread.
I like Moose personally, seems like there is something else besides the OpenPlugin going on. He said he's going to step away, but I think he should still face player sactions at least. UGC's indecisiveness on this versus the m4rissa debacle is humiliatingly hypocritical.
If it's determined he was testing the stuff for UGC, and simply failed to use an ALT, then I am not opposed to rehabilitating him as an admin+player down the line.
I voiced my opinion in the new thread.
I like Moose personally, seems like there is something else besides the OpenPlugin going on. He said he's going to step away, but I think he should still face player sactions at least. UGC's indecisiveness on this versus the m4rissa debacle is humiliatingly hypocritical.
If it's determined he was testing the stuff for UGC, and simply failed to use an ALT, then I am not opposed to rehabilitating him as an admin+player down the line.
I like Moose personally, seems like there is something else besides the OpenPlugin going on. He said he's going to step away, but I think he should still face player sactions at least. UGC's indecisiveness on this versus the m4rissa debacle is humiliatingly hypocritical.
If it's determined he was testing the stuff for UGC, and simply failed to use an ALT, then I am not opposed to rehabilitating him as an admin+player down the line.
If I was VAC banned, I would have probably been suspended for multiple seasons and my team would have been disqualified from playoffs.
Great league.
If I was VAC banned, I would have probably been suspended for multiple seasons and my team would have been disqualified from playoffs.
Great league.
Great league.
vanillaAs Jerro just noticed on the UGC forums:
wait
did someone just delete downpour's thread from earlier? cause i can't find it
http://www.ugcleague.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6414
admins pls explain, that thread has questions that a lot of people are asking
Apparently they deleted the thread that Downpour started in which he was asking legitimate questions about Moose's VAC ban.
when ugc is under infinate's rule, every thread that says the word admin will be deleted. maybe one day there will be a good admin.
[quote=vanilla]As Jerro just noticed on the UGC forums:
[quote]wait
did someone just delete downpour's thread from earlier? cause i can't find it
http://www.ugcleague.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6414
admins pls explain, that thread has questions that a lot of people are asking[/quote]
Apparently they deleted the thread that Downpour started in which he was asking legitimate questions about Moose's VAC ban.[/quote]
when ugc is under infinate's rule, every thread that says the word admin will be deleted. maybe one day there will be a good admin.
[quote]wait
did someone just delete downpour's thread from earlier? cause i can't find it
http://www.ugcleague.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6414
admins pls explain, that thread has questions that a lot of people are asking[/quote]
Apparently they deleted the thread that Downpour started in which he was asking legitimate questions about Moose's VAC ban.[/quote]
when ugc is under infinate's rule, every thread that says the word admin will be deleted. maybe one day there will be a good admin.
atiderevanillaAs Jerro just noticed on the UGC forums:
wait
did someone just delete downpour's thread from earlier? cause i can't find it
http://www.ugcleague.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6414
admins pls explain, that thread has questions that a lot of people are asking
Apparently they deleted the thread that Downpour started in which he was asking legitimate questions about Moose's VAC ban.
when ugc is under infinate's rule, every thread that says the word admin will be deleted. maybe one day there will be a good admin.
Inf actually found out about that thread being deleted and restored it himself.
[quote=atidere][quote=vanilla]As Jerro just noticed on the UGC forums:
[quote]wait
did someone just delete downpour's thread from earlier? cause i can't find it
http://www.ugcleague.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6414
admins pls explain, that thread has questions that a lot of people are asking[/quote]
Apparently they deleted the thread that Downpour started in which he was asking legitimate questions about Moose's VAC ban.[/quote]
when ugc is under infinate's rule, every thread that says the word admin will be deleted. maybe one day there will be a good admin.[/quote]
Inf actually found out about that thread being deleted and restored it himself.
[quote]wait
did someone just delete downpour's thread from earlier? cause i can't find it
http://www.ugcleague.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6414
admins pls explain, that thread has questions that a lot of people are asking[/quote]
Apparently they deleted the thread that Downpour started in which he was asking legitimate questions about Moose's VAC ban.[/quote]
when ugc is under infinate's rule, every thread that says the word admin will be deleted. maybe one day there will be a good admin.[/quote]
Inf actually found out about that thread being deleted and restored it himself.
next episode of fully charged, get these ugc clowns on for an explanation since they keep avoiding every topic on it
next episode of fully charged, get these ugc clowns on for an explanation since they keep avoiding every topic on it
UGC admins being inconsistent?
This is news to people?
UGC admins being inconsistent?
This is news to people?
This is news to people?
LennonInf actually found out about that thread being deleted and restored it himself.
so much damage control
[quote=Lennon]Inf actually found out about that thread being deleted and restored it himself.[/quote]
so much damage control
so much damage control
One day Wills is going to meet a girl... and that girl will break his heart.
One day Wills is going to meet a girl... and that girl will break his heart.
dfynext episode of fully charged, get these ugc clowns on for an explanation since they keep avoiding every topic on it
Actually let Killing into the call this time as well
[quote=dfy]next episode of fully charged, get these ugc clowns on for an explanation since they keep avoiding every topic on it[/quote]
Actually let Killing into the call this time as well
Actually let Killing into the call this time as well
mustardoverlordlet me and hildreth in a call with the admins
Livestream it, "real time with The British Monotone King and The Overlord". First question would be to Infinite, why are you such a douche?
[quote=mustardoverlord]let me and hildreth in a call with the admins[/quote]
Livestream it, "real time with The British Monotone King and The Overlord". First question would be to Infinite, why are you such a douche?
Livestream it, "real time with The British Monotone King and The Overlord". First question would be to Infinite, why are you such a douche?
barryhooliOne day Wills is going to meet a girl... and that girl will break his heart.
There's already been a post going into his approach to women on the ugc forums...
edit: and it's just as retarded as you would expect
[quote=barry][quote=hooli]One day Wills is going to meet a girl... and that girl will break his heart.[/quote]
There's already been a post going into his approach to women on the ugc forums...
edit: and it's just as retarded as you would expect[/quote]
http://www.ugcleague.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4428&
There's already been a post going into his approach to women on the ugc forums...
edit: and it's just as retarded as you would expect[/quote]
http://www.ugcleague.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4428&
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