http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh_ItF1wOT0&list=SPB332A9F8BB5E150B&t=12m53s

6v6 is like that (for the most part, class limits being another reason) because the game was originally designed as Generalists and Specialists. The Scout, Soldier, Demoman, and Medic are Generalists and intended to be ran the most while you switch them out for the other 5 classes on a need by need basis.

Of course, most of the unlocks have changed this, but imo this isn't a problem. 6s as a format plays as close as possible as to how the classes were originally intended to be used, Highlander uses them as close as possible as to how they are currently intended to be used. That's my 2c.

Then again, I think Robin has poor reasoning to begin with here, there's more to metagame changes than just wacky items. The 6s meta has changed in many ways since I started paying attention to it (2009-ish) and I'd only say items played a small part in it, which i46 pretty much confirmed - regardless of bans the American teams played basically the same way. Robin just might not be the sort of person who can appreciate the more subtle changes though??

All the weapons with very large explosive ranges that you see are power weapons in MP so good players will control/time them just like Quake.

It's been awhile since I've played it obviously but IIRC the only weapon that can outright instant kill you really easily in one shot is the Excalibat which is a power weapon that can melee (and you can reflect projectiles with the melee which is kinda hard to do) or you can charge it up for a one shot. The other ones won't one shot you if you have the asbestos armor except for the Flamewall iirc which destroys asbestos armors.

I just wanna dog mode people again.

Please support this guys, it's 15$ and has a long old school styled (maze-like get the keycard) single player campaign with old school power weapon multiplayer with mod tools and dedicated servers. If this game sells well it should send a signal to other developers that we want to see more fast paced Arena shooters.

The original was really good (and the first FPS to let you aim up and down!) and this game is essentially an HD remake of that one as far as the multiplayer goes (still has dog/god mode, ludicrous gibs, etc). It should be superb especially since the Unreal Engine is tried and true.

Here's a better video of it though imo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWhsZAhfyqc

It did not have bunny hopping (to my knowledge, bhop wasn't even a concept when this game came out) however it does have air strafing (it is actually the game that essentially invented air strafing and rocket jumping)

it's in off-topic derp

Dead Ringer isn't absurdly strong though, if it were to receive a nerf it would need a buff of another sort as well (like say, lowering the uncloak volume if you really want to encourage more sneaking).

In 6s basically no one uses it.

In Highlander it's used but it's also more predictable than the other two watches and with a little bit of effort you can just force the Spy to essentially be dead by getting him into a cycle of triggering the DR over and over.

Its synergy with the Spy set (in pubs), Spycicle, and Enforcer though is mega annoying but that is mostly because it's pretty apparent Valve forced synergy on the stats there imo and is kind of problems with those items rather than the Dead Ringer itself really.

I am beyond excited for this game, though worried because it's EA publishing :/.

Still, CoD 2 and CoD 4 were excellent.

Give me another CoD4 quality shooter and I'm in.

they'd need to compensate by lowering the damage of bullets to match, coz you would instantly regret this idea if they didn't do that.

it would have to be a big damage nerf too, cause with current damage values a heavy would do 180 damage per second at long range.

please no

it is part of the problem though since when used by someone who actually spends time to practice with it you get really dumb shit, not only can the class essentially designed to protect the combo not protect the combo but the combo can't even protect itself against this shit, I mean, a medic can't airstrafe off of it either basically (you die before you get the chance) and often the BB soldier simply flies far too fast with a proper overcharge jump for anyone to reliably airshot the person (except maybe a really good DH user) or hit him with much hitscan.

this really is the main problem with the weapon. a combination of its ROF, overcharge jumping speed, raw damage, etc makes it an absurd bombing item, by far the best in the game, with little counterplay options for most of the classes - if a BB soldier bombs you and you're not a heavy with a full buff you're dead, pretty guaranteed. Unless you stay inside a building 24/7 or something.

i get the feeling you haven't used it at any point recently considering a few months ago they nerfed it and now it takes 3.4 seconds to downgrade a single level.

if you are an alive engineer and can't hit your sentry twice in 3.4s then wtf you doing.

e:

also people really need to stop proposing solutions, valve doesn't care about those. ANYONE can come up with solutions, they want to know what the problems are.

#14 Pomson hitboxes are for the most part fixed, the Vaccinator ubercharge doesn't protect against crits of any kind regardless of chosen resistance, and Escape Plan Soldiers getting healed by crossbow is intended. The Escape Plan does not prevent all healing (you get healed by medkits/sandvich for example), it prevents Medics from targeting you with the Medigun, that's it. There's more cases of things healing Escape Plan soldiers than not healing escape plan soldiers by far.

I just thought I'd add something pretty important:

Valve has said in the past that they vastly prefer problems and not solutions, so I don't think anyone here should specifically give ideas on how to fix the weapons, but rather point out why the weapons are broken.

e.g.:

Bad:
"Wrangler is too strong, the shield should drop instantly whenever the Engineer dies (but still disable the gun for the same amount of time) and the Wrangler should apply damage falloff to the Sentry gun while activated to make the SG do less damage outside of its normal range. Wrangler shield should also affect Mini Sentries for half the effect."

Good:
"Wrangler is too strong, giving a Sentry Gun infinite damage range breaks a lot of maps and the weapon doesn't reward killing the Engineer enough. On top of all of this, Wrangled Mini-Sentries have more health than a stock Level 3 sentry gun yet are much more spammable."

This should also prevent arguments in the thread, generally people can agree on problems WAYYY easier than they can solutions.

yes the "nerf" actually made it better technically.

Valve aren't going to follow the %s like gospel, they aren't 5. This isn't really much of a worry at all - it just gives them a vast amount more data than they have now (aka very little/practically nothing).

Multiple classes:
-Jar Glitch: Affects Mad Milk + Jarate, easy to reproduce. 1) Throw jar, 2) touch resupply, 3) throw Jar again. Your jar will (contrary to the HUD) refresh from the time you threw the first jar, not the second one. This essentially lets you throw jar items faster than normal.

Soldier:
-Beggar's Bazooka has a reload glitch that prevents overcharge damage, to replicate just hold left click and release really fast over and over.

Demoman:
-Not really a bug but I'm sure people would appreciate it if Valve tuned pipe damage so that the amount of direct pipes to kill a Soldier wasn't somewhat random between 2 or 3.
-Charge scripts still exist thanks to abusing Novint Falcon stuff.

Heavy:
-The GRU death mark occasionally shows above the Heavy head even after he switches away from the GRU.
-Not sure if bug but if the Holiday Punch was made to not work on ubercharge's it would be unbanned in UGC.

Medic:
-If you quickswitch your Syringe Gun or Melee weapons to another weapon you get to switch spawns and not lose your Ubercharge %. AFAIK this is banned in every league but it's pretty overpowered and kind of contrary to every other item that has a %.

Engineer:
-If a Spy applies a sapper to a building during the building's upgrade animation, it can not be unsapped by the Engineer or Pyro.

Sniper:
-Bazaar Bargin has a bug where on a no-crit server after you get 1 head it will continuously give you more and more heads for just shooting nothing.

Spy:
-A disguised Spy using the in-game voice command menu will occasionally display as his real name + real team color to the enemy team in chat if he is nearby any of them, instead of disguised name + disguised team. (since you can't see enemy team voice commands, this is basically an instant give away)
-If you disguise as a player as they change classes, you will occasionally get a disguise with their new classes HP (e.g.: A Scout Disguise with 300 HP)
-If you pick up a med kit while disguised the healing pickup will be your real team color if your disguise is full health instead of disguised team color.
-Applying the same disguise or touching a resupply while disguised changes your disguised weapon to melee.

For the most part the weapons that are banned in Highlander are banned because they would have an impact yes.

A very negative one.

Really the only thing on the UGC list that imo shouldn't be banned is the Huo-Long Heater. (and the Bazaar Bargin, hurry up and fix the bug Valve ffs) It's kind of shitty.

(and technically I would argue the Enforcer since there's no way that gun is more broken than the Wrangler but whateverrrrrrr)