You miss the point so badly I don't see it worth explaining to you but I am well versed in wasting my time.

Organisations like Nerdrage don't give a fuck about TF2 and "sponsor us" because it costs them next to nothing to do so, half a chance their meetings about whether to engage in TF2 are based on if they ordered 6 too many T-shirts. The tiny amount of exposure Nerdage give this game is laughable so their loss shouldn't be mourned with an article on TFTV or a mention in Backcap or even this forum thread.

I shed a tear when Admirable went to Overwatch because his loss to European TF2 is actually worth a 1 hour video and a long article, but he gets neither. People who give to this community are undervalued far too much and substituted for some organisation that doesn't give a fuck about this game.

I find it laughable you think having an organisation want their team to be successful means anything when the point of an organisation / sponsorship in the real world is to financially subsidize amateurs to help them improve their performance. Football teams get sponsors to invest in improving their training conditions or pay for bigger salaries to attract better players to the club. I mentioned in Div 6 getting better perks from some University Student because my Div 6 team didn't have a server and this guy gave us a server and some other stuff that wasn't as important as a server which enabled us to practise more often and do tactics sessions and so forth to improve our team, so their organisation, though it was a bunch of Scottish students attempting to make a gaming community which died when they got bored and moved on with their lives gave way more than any of these major organisations have ever done.

If an organisation wants to have me shed a tear for it, it should put money where it's mouth is. Maybe if Nerdrage supported their TF2 team by offering them incentives to go to LAN they might put extra time to improve their results? I can't speak for their team, but if a team is offering me free travel to compete at a LAN I might actually put more effort practising than I normally do. Give the team some peripherals that they might actually need? I know if an Org came to me and said "we'll get you a new Monitor and Graphics card cos yours is shit" I would jump at the opportunity. I am not saying this is the reason why they haven't done well or not, I just find it amusing they can sit there and say "dropping you cos of bad results" but don't offer anything (ie the purpose of a sponsor / organisation) to support their players?

Nope, they offer you some cheap shirts and in return you get to promote their brand to TF2 players who may decide to care about their OW of CS:GO team cos they say their name in TF2. Amazing perks!

So yeah they are a joke to me, getting involved in this game because they're not serious about it and I don't blame them for not being serious about it, but we shouldn't be serious about them and give them some special status.

Lets be fair Orgs in tf2 are complete jokes in TF2 and offer nothing unless you lack clothing to wear at home.

I find it funny people are so worked up over a tiny org that only offered a Tshirt worth about 10 euros per person whilst asking their team to all tag up and change their avatars and team page to their branding. Other week someone approached us on behalf of an org and I asked what they offering and they said "A tshirt" and I laughed and politely declined.

Maybe it is different in ESEA where orgs pay league fees but in Europe whats the point of them? I got better perks in Div 6 from a community org ran by some Uni student (a free server and good banter). They give this community nothing and people shed a tear when they go? And backcap covers it like its a big deal? Lol. Bigger things make this game go round.

Top5 is a better name anyway, best of luck Ombrack and Le Boys.

Figuring oit pugs are a waste of time? Not news to me.

Hawku was trolling my Div 1 games before you were out of diapers lad.

Respect your elders

When you took the decision not to go, did you realise you were killing TF2's hopes of being an eSport on par with OW at the same time?

I got massive respect for you but that's just wrong.

I reserved two hotel rooms in advanced, no money paid so far, the cheapest deal, took us a couple of hours of looking and talking together but we got it done. I also can cancel the room up until the 21st August (for free) so again no money spent, no obligation.

We know the dates in advanced as they are the same every year, every team member was told at the start of this season when we were trialing in April we had plans for LANs and asked if they could attend and every one we eventually recruited (or was on the team originally) said they could. Some of us work, some study but we all had this time free to go, I myself put my holiday request for the Friday in at the start of the year.

We looked at our travel plans and how much it costs, what they need, what days they leave, when they arrive, every detail for travelling / cost can be estimated down to the pound easily. We had the fundraiser on Muuki's stream planned for a while, all we needed were confirmation from Mr Epic his Visa will be accepted (still not guaranteed but he has to do this 3 months in advanced anyway) and of course Multiplay to announce it. If they said it wasn't happening and we decided we didn't want to come as a result, we scrap the Travel plans, I cancel the rooms, Mr Epic still wanted to go either way so no money lost from him.

It of course helps that we have 3 Brits on our team and that only 1 or 2 of us have any financial difficulty making it, but we knew as early as 2-3 months before announcing it was do-able and planned the details and decided we would do a fundraiser to help those who couldn't come. The only risk I have is the fundraiser target not being met, one I am sure Froyotech understand well.

I realise why your team isn't going, people have to make choices and that's understandable, but you can't use Multiplay's late announcement as an excuse for not going. Your team didn't want to go, simple as that. If you did, you would have planned it.

This thread is pitiful, it's disappointing no NA teams will go and I don't really care if Sev7n attend or not, but 2 teams do not make a LAN. Anyone who still harbours this game of having aspirations of being an eSport is deluded and needs to wake up and rejoin reality. LAN is about community and having a good time with your good TF2 friends, meet other members of the community and it is the best part of this game. The good TF2 games we can play are just a bonus to the overall experience.

For those not going, you might not have as much a good weekend as others but stop crying like this is the end of TF2 or this community, I am sure when people who have no interest in going to another continent quit the game (Ie the ones on Froyo who have played the game nearly a decade) and the next generation of Top Invite / Prem players are formed, the motivation will return again and if there is something I have learned about TF2 is this community is incredibly resourceful.

Epsi / Diggi got drunk as well, did you not see Darn / Extremer play?

It was still the same concept of what i61 will be, top EU teams playing an offline tournament opposed to an online one with one team clear favourites to win.

Lowpander announce going to i61?

Top NA and EU teams dodge?

:thinking:

It's an interesting dynamic because it's main design is to counter the stock sticky bomb launcher with it's sticky clearing mechanism. In comp TF2 we're seeing strategy revolving around using it on last and so forth, so it's a weapon getting used for specific tactical scenarios and players are having to learn with dealing with it being utilised as a strategy.

To me this is the point of TF2 unlocks, add something minor that doesn't completely ruin the current mechanism of how the game flows (like QF did) that tests players ability to be innovative and adaptable. As long as the weapon isn't so powerful that it forces Demos to use it in every situation (COUGH CROSSBOW COUGH) then it's alright.

I don't really think there is a one size fits all kind of way of raising children, corporal punishment for some was a big part of building their character but for others it's a reason for issues in safer life, no matter if it's mild or more harsh.

Well if they don't wanna go to LAN then that's their choice but terms of money it isn't like other teams spending a lot to go to LAN as well, even in EU. Many teams do it before and will do it again, if they wanted it to be 100% crowdfunded then they probably could as well, nearly 10k was raised for i46. It's a case of having the motivation to go and the motivation to do some crowdfunding activies which tbh, can be mostly organised by other people.

If it's a schedule / motivation reason not to go, I can understand but when you're in a position where you can get crowdfunded, money to me isn't an excuse. If people need 3,000 dollars each to travel, they could probably get it, we're a resourceful community and very generous.

Disappointed by the lack of US teams. We might not see another multinational LAN for a while.

Judging by the expense of it all, I am skeptical about smaller NA teams, of course we would all love to see as many NA teams as possible at LAN and will take out our wallets to get them there, especially EVL.

Do EVL not want to go?

Disappointing there will not be an NA team at this event, it will still be a sick European LAN but without NA or AU teams something is lost from the event.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round-robin_tournament