Wtf we have a Lowpander room all booked, we're sharing beds and everything???

And that 3/6 guy who got telefragged LOL.

Wonder where he is now...

It's kind of funny to me because he's one of the few people putting effort and money in the make TF2 something this day and age and 6v6 players just sit here and whine that a guy who is trying isn't doing things for them.

I don't care about 7v7 or this tournament, if it was EU we might play for fun but I don't see why you should expect him to put money into a format like 6v6 he objectively dislikes just because you want the format to grow. It's really arrogant and presumptuous.

I remember when a guy who probably rather not be named pumped money into HL because he enjoyed it and didn't like 6v6 five years ago, same arguments happened as now and in the end he put some money into 6v6 as well, and nothing changed.

I am really confused, I was told by Gemm this would start at 19 CEST, but on this post it says it starts at 21 CEST?

Please clear this up, this will effect the quality of the signups.

Scrimming Lowpander.

I stopped taking this seriously when this guy said Overdose is better than Crossbow because some guy who doesn't play the game anymore said so :D

You can run Banners on Soldiers, it's a tactical choice if you want to sacrifice mobility for extra damage or ability to soak up damage.

You can run Pain Train if you want to sacrifice the speed the Escape Plan gives you for extra capping power.

Stock weapons aren't really in the discussion.

The weapon adds good elements to the game but it doesn't give you any other choice but to run it, maybe my Medic likes to use Syringe Gun instead of Crossbow but if he does so we're at a disadvantage not using it and it's less fun for us. And I think the weapon being best in slow is a non-issue, but the alternatives need to offer something otherwise your team is hindered.

@Kav - Fun is a very objective way at looking at it, plenty of people don't enjoy the crossbow and have stated so yet you use it as an argument to keep it in. Your logic isn't adding up to me.

I don't want the weapon to be banned specifically, I think it adds a lot to the game and I'd prefer to see the Medic given an extra mechanic but it's just TOO good is the argument against. If we applied this weapon to the same logic that we apply to the Vitasaw it would be banned, but this weapon gets some sort of special treatment because it's well liked by a core group of people - It needs to be changed somehow. We're banning weapons way less impactful on the game than this like the Vaccinator and the Rescue Ranger.

My problem with the Crossbow isn't whether or not it slows the game down or not, it's mainly that the weapon itself in it's current form is far too powerful and forces Medics to use it as a Primary. Not running it is a detriment to your team in the same manner that not running the Vitasaw was a detriment to your team.

When we played in the cup our Medic noted he enjoyed playing without it mainly for the reason that he wasn't stopping every 5 seconds to arrow people and enjoyed it the game more. Some people have different preferences in the game about what is fun and what isn't and threatening to quit if an unlock is banned is not a reason to not ban an unbalanced weapon no matter what class it is. Think of all the Heavy mains we could have had in 6's if we allowed the GRU (God forbid).

Whether or not people prefer a weapon to be more fun isn't the point, nor how it affects the speed of the game, though due to how one-sided our matches were in the Cup it was hard to tell if it had an affect as no other Premiership sides played so there is no evidence currently. The point is the weapon is far too powerful in it's current state, it is the one unlockable weapon I can think of that is not currently banned that just forces you to run it 100% of the time. I think the weapon just needs nerfing a bit, adjust the reload speed may be the best solution, though it'd be even better if Valve gave Medic some better Primary unlockables that aren't just 3 variations of a Syringe Gun and a weapon that is clearly superior to all three.

I do not think I need to post anymore after reading Gubbins post, there is literally no way you can respond to this level of cringe. Holy shit.

Perhaps then you should have brought this up, because as much as you like to think you or Sonny actually had the guts to make a decision like kicking me, this isn't reality. It may be why you didn't want me back in when I asked Sonny again a couple of days after cooling off and apologized for our argument, but I wasn't kicked and you know it. You have only brought this up to discredit me, you didn't have to, I never discredited you like this on a personal level even though I could very easily.

The other stuff, I only need to tell you LAN is in summer and that thread is from November, the "leak" was in December, whatever you said at LAN to your friends involved mentioning the Swiss System and this was before it was known. I know leaking isn't the right thing to do but there are double standards and then there is you.

But despite this, we'd sorted it out at the time, a week later I was giving you advice on how to promote the Swiss System on Pirate Radio, check the VOD out at the bits you stumble to make good arguments and suddenly you read steam and your able to put a coherent argument together. You didn't thank me by the way.

I will for my part back down if you admit what you said earlier is a lie, mainly around how I left the admin team in Spring 2015. You might care about how the community views you on here which is why I guess you're so adamant to defend yourself, I don't, I can go on for a long time because I know I everything I posted here is true even the part where I admitted I leaked some info and lets be real, you may have worked hard on it and was important to you but it was innocuous. At least I am the one here that is honest enough to admit it.

At this point this conversation has no value except a public shitting contest.

I meant Fully Charged EU not Pirate Radio, there have been several re-iterations of this name over the years. Look it up if you want it was Episode 20 I believe.

Just to calm people down I told Thalash clearly if he wants to discuss any points he raised to do it on the ETF2L forums or Discord. He has the option to discuss it with other admins not myself.

As stated accusations of me being kicked for leaking are not true. It is true I leaked some very minor detail about the Swiss System which Permzilla got angry about because he wanted to reveal the information on Pirate radio a week later. I was not kicked for this as this happened 3 months prior to me leaving the admin team amd was settled internally.

I am disappointed Permzilla would lie about this detail to discredit me (see posts #64, #76 and #81) especially because both he and I know for a fact he leaked the same information about the Swiss System at LAN prior to this. I have all the facts to back this up internally, admins are satisfied with this explanation and I want the league to move on.

By the way Nuze I think you are a great analyst.

I dunno why you're so intent on discrediting me just because I posted facts to you that you can't accept. I am not on trial here, the current admin team know the facts of the case cos its well documented internally and they know what is being said isn't true, so I have no worries about it.

We're also trying to form a Newbie Group but we need more people to help us, we will make a proper discussion thread on this soon!

All I did was post some facts for you, your response is to slander me, which is a clear sign you haven't really got a good argument to present, or if you have you haven't presented it very well or made a counter argument. But like I said this isn't the place.

You can speak to ETF2L Admins in the Feedback Discord, it is there for a reason - Head Admins / League Admins will ultimately make decisions. I have zero interest in speaking to you on a one on one basis because you act like a child in almost every scenario we've ever spoke online, only time I had a reasonable conversation with you was briefly one time at LAN.