Going to donate so we can get Froyotech over to i55, then watch and laugh as AYO GURL smash them 5-0 in 6 minutes with 2 hours of sleep, before they have their morning lagers.

This is accurate except I am not black.

You're on Viaduct as a Soldier, on a 5k, feeling good, just double airshot their Demoman and directed their scout, then you walk through the tunnel on the far side of the point and you meet a Pyro.

Your TF2 experience is instantly ruined.

Yeah did exactly same thing when I started work.

If i know something a generation of TF2 players are shifting and moving on in the real world, it would not surprise me to see half this scene running the world in 20 years time, the amount of talent and dedication we have.

Enjoyable write up.

I think Kids Next Door's success can be attributed to Kresnik's ability to keep his team interested and practicing, to win two seasons running with good competition like mTs and h8 provided is not a fluke, it takes dedication and hard work to keep pulling off victories. I give every credit to Kresnik and his crew for staying together and practicing hard. If they still have the same motivation to win it come the end of the season, then it will be an unmatched achievement on Highlander.

The new Ginyu Force is exciting but I think will suffer from the same lessons teams have had...living off past glories, big names and such. What they need is their captain to turn up and tell all the players everything they have achieved is completely worthless, then they might actually sweat and try super hard to win. Lot of rosters here have ability but I don't think any of them will beat KnD unless they really want it and make sacrifices to get it.

A good game can bring the hype back: http://www.vanillatf2.org/2014/12/how-fakkelbrigade-saved-european-tf2-with-help-from-byte/

A write up and go a long way, when people see others paying attention to them, can influence them more.

Do a write up of it, people will want to know. I am curious but I know nothing about it

why is Ringo Starr commentating?

Speaking from experience?

More to TF2 than just DPM and Kills, game is decided a lot by the mental factor. For instance, you see spam concentrated in a particular area you do not push that area unless you like to lose hit points for nothing, meaning time is taken off the clock, push is delayed or your decision changes based on the reactions of the opponents.

Stats aren't the be all and end all of performance, the only stat that matters is the result.

I got 3000 hours on Demo and I never saw any difference with loch n load and pipes, blub never switched to them. When you played Demo for so long and don't have much time to practise, makes zero difference to me what pipe launcher I use after thousands hours practising with one.

I also think the roller damage and the extra spam/area denial potential for pipe bombs is quite strong...it may only be 30-40 damage on the floor but if you spam 4 pipes in an entrance, you got better area denial potential than 3 pipes which do not do damage if you do not his a direct.

Think the fact opinion is so divided on the issue proves that ETF2L are on the right track, I guarantee in a couple seasons it won't be a contentious issue anymore.

Outcomes on one game with higher stakes not being affected by DDoS does not provide conclusive evidence that there isn't a link between DDoS attacks and particular matches. However all evidence in this instance is circumstantial, you cannot go around accusing people of influencing the results through a third party or otherwise based on their friends betting patterns, there isn't enough evidence to suggest this and though it could be possible, without any concrete evidence you cannot determine guilt.

There is conclusive evidence TLR Nico violated ToS by betting on his own game and he may be held accountable for this, but beyond that there isn't anything else wrong and I think it is unfair to TLR to suggest they might be involved in a DDoS attack.

However I wouldn't rule out this sort of thing happening or being a reality - When money is involved, human nature and greed will lead to people being corrupt, strong rules and guidelines need to be put in place, leagues need to address the issue. Even if they have to look at other leagues and how they address the issue with CS:GO Lounge, I'd expect any policy-setter to be ahead of the game on this.

Who even has time to do this?

Problem isn't Saloon.tf, problem is people's greed. Site that is potentially good for growth and interest into competitive TF2 should not be shut down based on an isolated incident. Don't let fear defeat you, stay strong my brother Sheepy.

That is if someone even did DDoS scrab because of Saloon.

Follow advice given by others to protect from DDoS attacks as standard, especially if you expect to be casted.

Also ETF2L couldn't ban Saloon from putting bets up on their matches, even if they tried. Only person who can is Cherry, though efforts can be made to find and ban those attempting to abuse the system, ultimately responsibility lies with the user, not the creator. This isn't the Atomic Bomb that's been created, it's a hobby betting website on virtual items.

Btw were ETF2L ever going to fix their rules regarding potential for abuse on Saloon? Been months.

I knew it!