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Just talked to huhy on steam about this. The kritzkast item fiasco was a whole different thing because it was a free item and the distribution method they choose was horrible, leaving a lot of people mad and complaining.

I think a normal paid item associated to a league would have no problem whatsoever

Also they didn't stop with the KritzKast hat distribution, they still give them out in contests, I got one a few months back.

If it really was pre-workshop days them I'm sure it could well work now, I'll try to talk to some people and know more details

God damn, that hat looks very well made, what a missed oportunity, it would be a high valued hat for sure. Was there any try of submitting the item independently to the work shop even after the talks with valve? Because if there wasn't thhat's your problem right there. If valve doesn't want to associate themselves to an org that fine but it doesn't mean they can't add the hat from the workshop if the community likes it.

So there's a precedent now, a big one. Also Kritzkast got their hat, and there are a couple more community hats and items out there, it's not completely out of the picture for them to reconsider such thing, especially now that dota and cs go make a lot from this same system

http://i.imgur.com/3NEeDb9.png

The homepage does list tf2 as one of the games for the first season, however all the spelling mistakes make me want to stay away from it

I could easily argue this has been one of the best and most mature and creative communities I have been a part of. I wouldn't still be playing tf2 if it wasn't for it. SO yeah I dont agree with that and I also don't agree we couldn't get an item in without valve support.

btw, both faceit items were submitted today and they are already on the main page of the csgo workshop with over 100 ratings

We're bigger than you think (check zoob's logs.tf stats) and the competitive community has a huge influence and contribution on the tf2 community (just discussed this over at the etf2l forums). It would be easy to get a huge following for one of these items even if it was just from the competitive scene because people who don't usually vote on the workshop would do it for this item.

I also said it couldn't have branding in it so it would have to be a interesting and thoughtful item just like the other ones (it would just have the advantage of having a huge support from the ground up), I don't see how it couldn't get picked over the other ones.

I also totally disagree with this sentence, you could not be more wrong.

It's not as straightforward as that. If any creator partnered with a league they would get the whole league userbase support behind him, boosting the item itself, if it got in, it would be in part due to our support so I don't think how splitting revenues would actually be unjust, much less if you actually like the competitive community.

FaceIt is doing it, why couldn't we follow suit? No one ever got anything done for not even trying. I would be up to help, not in the item department but I could help setting up anything people need.

No, I'm suggesting that if there are skilled community members interested we could actually make a solid plan for this just like FaceIt did and donate our time to the community just like countless other people did before.

What has been discussed before was getting Valve's seal of approval for an official item to support the competitive community. Never an independent item. As I said if there was a really good item submitted to the workshop I can't think of a single reason for them to not accept it if they don't hold a grudge against us.

It has been talked about adding an official item with valve to support competitive tf2, AFAIk it hasn't been talked about really making that item and just submitting it without any affiliation to valve just like another content creator.

Afaik items submitted to workshop can't contain any branding so they would have to be interesting items and shouldn't have any logo or image directly associated with the league, but they could still contain the same color scheme like the weapon above.

Why the instant pessimism? I know it's totally different but it has been done in the past.

Ex: Na'Vi dota2 workshop (some items were already added to dota 2)

I see no reason for them to hold a really good item hostage only because it was a product of the competitive scene, unless they had any real grudge against us

I have really never thought of this until I received a newsletter from FaceIt

I know big teams in dota already have official workshop pages with team specific items to help fund their operations, this could really work for us with the right plan.

It's kind of a long shot but it could be a very sustainable way of funding competitive prizepools. It would need the right kind of people, (afaik there are a lot of item makers that play competitive) and the synergy between them and the leagues.

We don't really have official support from valve but we could make our own self support with this.

And with TF2 making $140 Million last year alone you get an idea how much a single item could help.

Just throwing the idea out there, but I'm up to help if anyone wants to do a more organized plan for this.

eagerly waiting for the full CSGO support as well.

Have been trying it on TF2 and its working fine atm

I never used the website before and I was able to quickly find everything I wanted, I would call that a good website at the very least, maybe the issues with it would be the color scheme and the top navigation bar. Etf2l website is a simple wordpress site so its usability is not the problem, the problem is the outdated look.

As for the esea website, everytime I tried to access something on it (and I have been there quite some times) I found it a real pain as it lacks a lot both in usability and looks.

This doesn't have to do with the next season but I just want to say the website is a breeze to navigate when compared to esea's for example, great work on that.

Just noticed 2 things, the seasons sub menu is a bit hidden and out of view for what should be one of the more noticeable menus. Also when opening certain brackets pages, the page gets really stretched out and deformed.

Reworked a bit of the main page, hope you like it!

We could really use some help editing the wiki as well, so if you have some free time and are willing to help feel free! :)