Killing
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#186 huh check that out in TF2 General Discussion
atmoWas there some public turning point in your stance towards Invite rule-bending, Killing? I'm just wondering if this hardline thing you are talking about might not have been fully registered throughout invite (albeit after a handful of seasons...)

Thank you for contributing your thoughts to the discussion, although I will say that I'm disappointed by how long you held your tongue. Maybe though, this is lose-lose as you say.

Honestly when I started, I idolized the invite players at the time. Imagine how you felt starting off in Open and seeing Inviters play. Couple that with the fact that back in the gotfrag days there was limited interaction with the inviters, I didn't really want to say no to them. Eventually, I grew some balls and decided to enforce the rules that were set in the book. I think the structure is important.

DrPloxoatmoWas there some public turning point in your stance towards Invite rule-bending, Killing? I'm just wondering if this hardline thing you are talking about might not have been fully registered throughout invite (albeit after a handful of seasons...)

Thank you for contributing your thoughts to the discussion, although I will say that I'm disappointed by how long you held your tongue. Maybe though, this is lose-lose as you say.
The Fully Charged when he got called out for allowing the quick-fix, then banning it immediately after the season was done.

I would call quickfix-gate more of a beginner's mistake. There was never a rule or precedent set forth for weapons that were updated. In fact, when crossbow was released, I instantly allowed it. At this point, I think I chose wrong for quickfix and understand what I needed to do better.

posted about 11 years ago
#175 huh check that out in TF2 General Discussion

I wasn't planning on saying anything because this is basically a no-win situation. I'm not sure why I decided to write this but I guess it really can't get much worse.

The theme of the day is exceptions. I'm going to present this as objectively as possible so forgive me if it's dry.

Part 1

We'll start here:

http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=support&d=faq&id=94

We cannot cancel an e-Check Premium payment. Once the payment has been made it must clear, or fail, in order for you to either have premium, or be able to make a new payment.

A large part of this whole debacle leans on the eCheck ordeal. I have very limited information about eChecks and how they work so I can only give you what I believe I know. From what I've learnt from this match, I'm quite certain that Craig is the only person in the company that can cancel eChecks. I can't, Carson can't, my boss can't. We always get plenty of tickets regarding eChecks, hundreds. To both Craig everytime someone wants to get their eCheck cancelled seems a bit much. Reading what an eChecks means + our FAQ will normally stear you away from using them.

No exception was made that they were invite players therefore they should get priority when it comes to getting eChecks cancelled.

Part 2

September 30th I sent off an ESEA message to Brad telling him to get the 3 remaining members paid up for the regular season. After losing his 7.5%, Justin and Brad refused to ever talk to me again so this is basically our only line of communication. I also told him in pugs to pay up about a week later but I believe this was the most "official" form of communication.

When registration closes, I yell at everyone to get their league fees paid. If it were up to me, Brad's team would have been removed as they didn't pay until about a month later. This is basically where my case lies. Had watch this listened to me + the rules and paid up on time, this thread would not exist, brad's team would be alive and we'd be mad about the client. I'm mad about the client, it's extremely frustrating BUT it had nothing to do with this match.

Part 3

There's a large amount of misinformation due to how ESEA used to be run (S2-S8ish). I was lax back then and would let invite teams, for the most part, walk all over me. I set it for when they wanted it. Obviously that changed. Unless I hardcore fucked up, I doubt you can find a match past S10ish that was rescheduled past it's following week when it was

A)Not ESEA client update
B)Not a re-game (i.e. rounds had to be replayed)
C)I had granted an extension to all matches at that time

There are no exceptions made due to user error. If it is, I fucked up and should be told but rarely does that occur. This includes:

A)Paying with eCheck
B)Getting payment cancelled and you have to wait an hour
C)Having user-specific client problems (i.e. the general userbase is not affected)

With that said, this fell into the user error rather than the ESEA error. Everyone knows paying with eChecks take a long time, FAQ states they will not be cancelled, everyone is told to pay up for registration deadline. Despite all signs to pay right now, watch this did not.

Part 4

With that in mind, many say I should have made an exception for watch this. I think these are the two main points:

A)Client was fucked up all week, other matches were being rescheduled

As I said before, when it is on our side, we give time for you to reschedule. Albeit the client created a frustrating start, if this was watch this' first match and there was no client issues, we'd be sitting here talking about the exact same thing.

B)They had tickets open previous without being answered

I'm not sure why no one answered them but the ESEA admin response would be a link to the FAQ. Every ticket that can be answered with an FAQ should be done so. With that said, nothing would have changed in their situation.

C)You always just push invite matches and make exception, why not now?

Like I said, I haven't been letting inviters do whatever the fuck they want since around S8-S9. This was not a circumstance where I was going to.

D)There is a rule that says admins can change anything at any time, why not now?

It's quite simple, I never make exceptions. I just don't. Exceptions are possibly the worst thing possible because they are unclear and are not transparent. This basically brings up two things imo had I invoked this rule.

1)Does this mean I make an exception whenever I want?

Didn't we just go past an offseason where we agreed there should be no exceptions for weapons and I should just ban everything that gets updated? Specifically for scheduling, at what point should I not reschedule? If brad tries to pay minutes before his match and it doesn't work should I push it? If an open team tries to pay minutes before their match and it doesn't work, should I push it? If an open team says one of their members has a family emergency, should I push it?

Not using this rule, to me, enforces two things. No invite favouritism and clearly avoiding a slippery slop of reschedules.

2)Should I bend the rules for every team that holds their team hostage?

I would have loved to have watch this in our season. I think everyone can agree that they were the most exciting team in invite (at least in my opinion). But switching my decision just because a team says they are going to die if I don't is another road I don't want to go down. I agree that it's extreme but I don't want the next thing for inviters to use on me is the "The season will be boring without us".

I really don't feel like making a TLDR because I think you need to read the entire thing to try and understand my POV. I respect every player on watch this both as competitor and just as people. I honestly have not found a single person to be unpleasant at LAN even after the stuff I sometimes have to do. It it is also 100% within their rights to hate me all the way to their bones. There's been plenty of decisions that I wish I had went another way but this is not one of them.

posted about 11 years ago
#2 withadownsdumber looking to not be so dumb in Mentoring

WHAT DOES YOUR ALIAS EVEN MEAN?

posted about 11 years ago
#30 Dota 6.79 in Other Games

WHY DIDN'T THEY NERF SPACECOW?

posted about 11 years ago
#23 Dota 6.79 in Other Games

http://i.imgur.com/RdGySHN.png

posted about 11 years ago
#6 Dota 6.79 in Other Games

Skywrath + OD

posted about 11 years ago
#80 ESEA Client Trouble Threads Deleted From TFTV/ESEA in TF2 General Discussion
WithADanceNumberWaiting for status update on client. We have a match tonight that i'd like to play.

I have no info as of right now

posted about 11 years ago
#72 ESEA Client Trouble Threads Deleted From TFTV/ESEA in TF2 General Discussion
thrasherI feel like I should weigh in on a lot of the thoughts about killing. In this situation I don't really see him doing anything wrong. Killing gets a ton of messages every day and I can understand how that can get annoying, however as others have said, it's a paid job, and while he does a lot for this community his people skills are horrible. 95% of the time I've had to message killing for help, even if its a last minute emergency, I get told to "submit a ticket", usually with a lot of attitude behind it. One time a few seasons ago he told me he'd only help me if I played, and beat him in a 1v1 in Starcraft... Not professional at all. On the other side of the admin coin, kalkin always takes care of problems almost immediately when it's in his power to do so.

For years killing was a total prick to have to deal with. While he has matured since then I think a lot of us still remember how bad things used to be. Like I said, in this situation he hasn't done anything wrong, so maybe we should cut him some slack.

I rarely call bullshit or way in on people talking about me but that entire thing was filled with it.

posted about 11 years ago
#64 ESEA Client Trouble Threads Deleted From TFTV/ESEA in TF2 General Discussion
KanecoKilling
I haven't joked around about anything.
What I'm saying is that you could have been a lot more upfront and professional from the begining of this whole thing, obviously this got out of hand now but a huge part of the uproar could have been avoided or at least toned down if the whole situation was clear from the begining, and despite not having anything to do with the client you play the central part there since you are the "face" of ESEA.

Which is why my exact question is how could I have been more upfront and professional?

posted about 11 years ago
#53 ESEA Client Trouble Threads Deleted From TFTV/ESEA in TF2 General Discussion
KanecoKillingshocka1Saberstuff
The face of something is sometimes more important than what goes on behind it. That's what customer service is. As people already stated, it's one thing to claim to know when things will be resolved, but it's another to give a duration and repeatedly not hold to it. Sure, Killing has gotten comfortable with the community so he talks to us in sarcastic tones, but there's a time and place for that. People are genuinely upset *as they should be* and the "face" of ESEA isn't representing it any better than what's behind it.

The honest and courteous thing "they" should have done was posted about this earlier. Even if they had to delay the 1st week of matches out a bit more, it would have at least given the community awareness as to what is going on and why. But instead, schedules have been crammed and the only answers we have received in regards to this issue are "nope" and "tomorrow". I agree. "Nope", it won't be fixed "tomorrow".

Well shit can't get much worse at this point so I'd love to hear more about what you just said. What could I have said that would make you happier? The nope was in reference to people saying they wanted to play off client, that's something I don't joke around about. The tomorrow was what I was told. So, What could I have said that would make you happier?
Just change your attitude a bit, I get it that you are familiar and feel confortable with the community, but as someone else said there is a time and place for joking around or being sarcastic / not serious. I have worked and experienced with costumer service enought to know your attitude (at least in this case) would get you off the job in a couple of days.

I haven't joked around about anything.

posted about 11 years ago
#52 ESEA Client Trouble Threads Deleted From TFTV/ESEA in TF2 General Discussion

As I said, I don't care to save my own ass. I work for ESEA so unless I can say something that makes you happier in terms of ESEA rather than myself, I'm not really interested in saying it.

posted about 11 years ago
#48 ESEA Client Trouble Threads Deleted From TFTV/ESEA in TF2 General Discussion
shocka1Saberstuff
The face of something is sometimes more important than what goes on behind it. That's what customer service is. As people already stated, it's one thing to claim to know when things will be resolved, but it's another to give a duration and repeatedly not hold to it. Sure, Killing has gotten comfortable with the community so he talks to us in sarcastic tones, but there's a time and place for that. People are genuinely upset *as they should be* and the "face" of ESEA isn't representing it any better than what's behind it.

The honest and courteous thing "they" should have done was posted about this earlier. Even if they had to delay the 1st week of matches out a bit more, it would have at least given the community awareness as to what is going on and why. But instead, schedules have been crammed and the only answers we have received in regards to this issue are "nope" and "tomorrow". I agree. "Nope", it won't be fixed "tomorrow".

Well shit can't get much worse at this point so I'd love to hear more about what you just said. What could I have said that would make you happier? The nope was in reference to people saying they wanted to play off client, that's something I don't joke around about. The tomorrow was what I was told. So, What could I have said that would make you happier?

posted about 11 years ago
#4 ESEA Client Trouble Threads Deleted From TFTV/ESEA in TF2 General Discussion

I always delete the threads after the night is over so as to not flood Enigma's sites with ESEA client update articles. It's really just a tool for me to get the word out and I'm pretty sure the one on ESEA is still there.

posted about 11 years ago
#39 Friday Night Fight #1 in TF2 General Discussion

huh is this how we make a team name?
http://play.esea.net/teams/64919

posted about 11 years ago
#3 Friday Night Fight #1 in Events

I have a family dinner tonight so I guess next week. Also, I have no donations so there won't be any prizes unless I do.

posted about 11 years ago
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