Unfortunately epsi/froyo style has obvious and objective drawbacks :
-it does not help you to get the pick(s) you need in the first place. Against teams that don't make mistakes you're still pinned
-According to sigma's momentum guide and considering equal skill between two teams, it's not possible to make team pushes (=commit at least 4 players) consistently off one pick that is not demo or medic without the forward spawns advantage;
-the style is completely random when facing snipers; consider an area like process or badlands mid or snakewater 2nd; it's not possible to go in while avoiding a sniper completely and you have no way of knowing if the sniper's going to hit things or not. You're screwed both ways : either yolo it and commit your medic = risk losing your med "randomly", either don't commit your medic and put all your frag classes at a disadvantage for the push
-if you use a sniper to get the entry pick and then push 6v5 you have no way of knowing if your sniper will hit stuff during the push, and if he does not it's like pushing 5v5
-If something fails during a push you put yourself at a bigger risk than when you suicide a solo player because you are not set up properly to handle counter aggression

I'm not saying this can't be pulled off, but that the amount of knowledge required is much much higher. For each point, do you exploit a pick the same way regardless of what you killed? Do you engage the fight 6v5 or try to make it 6v4? Can you get your medic out if things go south? What if they have a sniper?etc...
It's not trivial to me (but i'm not prem lol)

This is a feature of 5cp game mode and current maps. It's a part of the game at this point. Be careful wishing for game changes, look at what id did to quake duels for example!

You see it from the half empty glass perspective. One could say that because lowpander is so good they managed to hold the best EU team at bay for a full map. Or that seven is so good that even when they beef their push they still manage to keep control.

Outside of that unlocks and offclasses are a way to break stalemates. There are a ton of options, some considered standard (sniper/spy), some more marginal (banners, quickiebomb, etc). In order to break stalemates one team has to properly train stalemate breaking. But in most scrims players either stick to proven and expected tactics (sacks/sniper/spy) or push without any kind of advantage and yolo it to avoid the "boredom" of stalemates. So when a team actually runs into a situation where it HAS to break a stalemate (say in officials running after the score) it is lost.

Also if you really do not want stalemates you should push for more koth maps in the map rotation.

It's done already. Thank you Arie if that's you <3

I understand the struggle. If that can somewhat help you, especially for medic, even if you managed to reach "pugchamp popularity" does not mean you'll actually be able to improve.
It's a very good place to practice your mechanical skills and test your in game decisions vs good players, but teamplay wise it's not really better than mumble lobbies. Some players don't listen, some other don't talk, nobody tells you what they want you to do (pop? don't pop? get out?), just like in lobbies. Most eu high players are just dm lords anyway.

Truth is, if you want to improve your gamesense but can't play on a team, you should study stvs of prem teams. Focus on one player, pause the game everytime you disagree with a decision and think about it. Don't expect to get good medic practice / feedback on pugs/lobbies, and use every pug/lobby system to test new ideas/playstyles that you came up with or saw in a stv.
If it works in lobbies test it in pugs(if possible), and build up your "gamesense book" this way. You'll ultimately end up with a book of things containing viable things and trash things(the only perk of playing pugs vs lobbies is that the trash things list will be slightly shorter), and the only way to get rid of trash things is proper 6s team play.

This idea is somewhat used in cp_hoto as well.

I don't care what website dies or thrieves as I'll play the game any way.

Now that my opinion is out of the way, who are the players who 'want better pugs' and what exactly do they want?

You're not high players, because most of them are happy with the pugchamp captain system as a way to filter 'bad players' out of their game.
You're not prem players, because most of them either play private pugs, or are happy with pugchamp captain system (they are good therefore they get picked most of the time).

So you guys are either regular average players, either beginners. Let's say people here aren't beginners.

What can you do then?
If you want to join the pugchamp community you'll have to invest quite some time (or play med all the time) in order to a) get known among the players and b)get better to blend in with the players.

Else, you'll need a way to play games with other regular average players. But to preserve the quality of games ("tf2center is aids") you'd like to play without beginners, right? At least that's what I understand by "tf2center games are bad and end up in rolls most of the time".
So you're complaining that you're excluded from the higher circle (pugchamp) but are yourselves willing to exclude players lower than you(beginners). What kind of aids mentality is that?

I say, lobby websites, being tf2lobby (rip) or tf2center, are only as "aids" as their players, and all of you already have ways to solve your initial problem :
a)stop being dicks to beginners and either coach them or direct them to playcomp.tf
b)clone pugchamp code and make your own pug website restricted to mid and open players only
c)join or host mumble lobbies only

This can be due to several things :
-capture time too long (as you have said)
-spawn times of defenders too long compared to spawn times of attackers
-attackers forward spawn(on mid) too close to 2nd (this was a big issue on snakewater that prompted the forward spawn to be moved back from kitchen to sawroom entrance)
-poor play of the defenders : unless you have lots (like more than 5 games) of feedback from actual high quality games (say pugchamp level) what you've seen can just be due to bad gameplay :D

So you'll have multiple levers to address this problem.

Also, your doors feel so much better now woo;

And it looks very interesting that forward spawn doors open from the outside when you control the associated point!

I love the direction your changes take.

I need to playtest it obviously, but I notice quite a big difference in cap times of mid vs second. In such a map with lots of ways to go from mid to second back caps are going to be a big issue for teams pushing 2nd to mid, and in the same time a team stuck on 2nd (say with uber disadv) won't be able to make a back cap play.

Furthermore, take a look at gullywash's cap times(which i believe are quite standard) :
Control Point 1 and 5 ×1 3 .800s
Control Point 2 and 4 ×1 16.00s
Control Point 3 ×1 19 .000s

So, assuming your 10, 6, and 4 values are for the x1 multiplier, mid and second cap way too fast (which makes back caps even worse lol).

I suggest you use gullywash values before you get good playtesting. The reason for gullywash values is because on this map it's quite common for teams to turn around each other on mid/2nd, which is something that could happen on hoto given the shape of the map and the number of connectors between mid and 2nd.

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It's true that it has been a smooth ride so far....

Hello invalidnick,

First of all, your work is GORGEOUS.
Second of all I've never seen a map thought this way in TF2 and it's both refreshing and interesting. I hope that the following feedback will be useful to you.

TLDR : I like wide chokes that allow easy and fluid pushes but I also love your general idea and artwork! I wish that I can craft such things like you one day.

that's the path almost all software projects follow sadly. Instead of fixing the code properly, just shoehorn new features and make quick and dirty fixes..

http://puu.sh/wwAdI/8f4a779209.png

i cant even coach my tf2 players i hope i never have to deal with children

Well scottish should have sub-par offense, but compensate with better defense, which it does not.

Destroying stickies does not even fit the defensive concept of the weapon, it'd be much better if it did not but instead have something like quicker reload to lay more traps or unbreakable (or un-movable) stickies, or stickies laid for 5s granted with bigger splash, something that goes well with the concept of a trap weapon.