I'm not sure what you were reading but that definitely wasn't what I was arguing here.

Nobody in this thread has disagreed with this, it was more how eXtv went about getting this revenue that caused an issue.

Anyways I made the point I wanted to make. Wasn't trying to attack eXtv personally, I just hope you're aware that you aren't always as open with the community as I think you could be, and while this issue was raised over a small matter, I think it's important to address because it could prevent any potential conflict between eXtv and members of the community on future projects.

Perhaps this confusion is a result of differing perspectives regarding youtube as a form of viewing the documentary. I'm sure a lot of people are perfectly happy to watch it in compressed-quality, and couldn't care less about the higher framerate and slight quality increase of the downloadable version. Others however (a small minority) probably feel that handing out a youtube version is like advertising a free amusement park and then on opening day having only a single ride available, and if you want to experience the full park you must pay for it. Perhaps I'm just extra-picky over things like that because I edit videos myself.

I'm starting to repeat myself I think but something shady did happen, and while the $5 fee really isn't a big deal and probably not worth arguing over, it's more the principle behind it that's an issue. eXtv has a habit of hiding small issues from the public community, and trying to pass them off later as something that they had already stated or intended from the start. This is a very supportive and forgiving community, being more open about the need for help or admitting to small mistakes would benefit everyone in the long run, and I'm sure if Sal/Luke had posted in this thread straight up saying "I know this was meant to be a community contribution, but it looks like Luke could use some financial help so we're opening up a donation account for him" people would've been more than willing to donate. If it had been handled in that manner I would at least have no issue with it, and would instead be defending eXtv as opposed to defending June (for the record I hate his hyper-aggressive/hateful posts but he does sometimes raise valid points which get ignored).

Did you consider just opening up a donation account towards LuckyLuke to reward all of his work on the documentary? To me this seems like a better option in every sense as it's not misdirecting the community (even if it was only a small matter), and allowing those who truly feel they should get the full quality download without paying to do so. Of course there's no guarantee that Luke would make as much money from this option, but given the past record of genorousity from this community I would be confident in saying he would've actually ended up with more profit through this option.

This is the main issue I have. I respect eXtv as an organization and genuinely appreciate all the work they do for the tf2 community, but it's becoming a repeated event that they aren't open to the community about an issue and then try to cover it up at the last minute with something along the lines of "well we never said you wouldn't have to pay for it." Generally the community lets these sorts of things go, in this case it's not a big deal because the fee is only $5, but would everyone react the same way if it had been set at $30? It's just a flaw in their management/community interaction which I wish they would fix.

Again, I have no issue with the payment option personally, I just think June is entitled to complain about it if he so chooses. It seems that it is easier to mark his posts as "flamebait" than it is to accept he has a valid point.

I'll still be around if you want any help with organizing anything related to the jumping/surfing (players, what maps would be good to showcase, etc.). I can also help in making those pre-segment videos to play before each event, unless you were thinking of just finding existing videos to play.

Not that I have any issue with Luke charging a small cost for the full quality download, but June is correct that this was initially proposed as a "community contribution" and that Luke was volunteering his time to edit it. I'd rather you just straight up say Luke needs/wants some financial benefit for all his time instead of suggesting that you had implied there would be a cost at the start of the project. I will be buying a copy of this to support Luke however I do think June is entitled to complain about the cost which was not forewarned.

If you're in spectate I think the getpos and setpos commands work (probably what Comedian is thinking of). You would just have to set up binds to different keys in the format "bind "x" "setpos xxxx.xxx.xxx.xx.xxx". This number can be found by going to the desired position and using the "getpos" command. The positions of each point would be different on each map, so the best option would probably be to create a .cfg of each map and just execute that at the start.

These aren't in-game moments but whenever I've had my movies played on larger streams (extv and tip of the hats) it's pretty cool to watch all the comments coming out of the chat window. As far as in-game moments the only one I can distinctly remember was actually in a pub arena game when I was still fairly new to tf2 (so I think back in 2008/2009). It was 16vs16 and I managed to get all 16 kills against the enemy team as a scout. That may have also been the moment I decided competitive tf2 might be a good option aha.

You can always highlight the part you want to preview then hit space to do a ram preview. It's slow but it should be very smooth.

Found a soldier duo thanks.

That movie makes me cringe looking back on it. This one will be a lot better.