Hopps-nops2b makes my tf2 look foggy.
Foggy? Could you expand on that please or maybe share a screenshot?
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Hopps-nops2b makes my tf2 look foggy.
Foggy? Could you expand on that please or maybe share a screenshot?
kaeosis there any proof about how cl_SetupAllBones 0/1 affects hit reg?
also, why do you prefer 0 over 1?
Well bones affect animations in a way, but I don't think cl_SetupAllBones sets up any useful bones. There hasn't been any proof from anyone that cl_SetupAllBones actually helps hitreg.
0 is better because it doesn't force uselessly setting up bones.
himari_tfsorry for the dumb question, but does anyone know why i can't move in walkway/other tr maps after i started using this config
In local servers, you'll have to set host_thread_mode 0. Not a dumb question. Remember to set it back to host_thread_mode 1 when you're going to join a server.
zfnI'm curious how you "find" launch options. Were these just added recently, or have they been there since release but no one has stumbled upon them yet? Is there a full list of launch options somewhere?
Also for the other launch options you list such as -nojoy, -useforcedmparms, -noforcemaccel and -noforcemspd, why did Chris tell us they don't work here?
They've been there since release. I just looked through the source code to find them.
I don't know why Chris claimed this because I can verify even without source code that nojoy does affect the game's behavior. TF2 outputs "Did not detect any valid joysticks" to stdout when nojoy is not present. Not sure about the mouse acceleration commands since I haven't used Windows in years. But from my memory, I remember them affecting mouse acceleration.
stabbyI'd still be interested in knowing what the ideal value is.
I would definitely recommend cl_SetupAllBones 0. Also any reason why you didn't use -nops2b?
joshuawnmastercoms states in her config that disabling the violence_hgibs convar forces sillygibs (which, due to what i assume are other convars that aren't explicitly related to gibs, still hides them from view). i'm not sure if these hidden sillygibs still cause a performance loss versus regular gibs.
also, i just realized that the major visual discrepancy that threw me off was violence_hblood. and since mastercoms verified that blood can be safely disabled, i'm satisfied as is. it has been so long since i used a config that enabled blood that it completely threw me off.
After looking at the code again, I think setting any of the violence_ cvars to 0 enables low violence mode/silly gibs, but I'm pretty sure the code I'm looking at is outdated so I'll have to test in game. The best way to disable gibs is through the prop break max pieces commands, I believe. Not sure about blood, how was this done traditionally?
Found a few more launch options, though I haven't fully investigated them yet
-mat_softwaretl : forces software vertex processing, might be useful for bad GPUs
-limitvsconst : limits hardware vertex shader constants to 256, don't think this one will be too useful
-primarysound : uses a single sound buffer, not sure what the real impact of this is
-snoforceformat : skips force setting of sound buffer format, not sure what the real impact of this is
-reuse : allow network sockets to be reused when busy (sets SO_REUSEADDR), not sure about this one but i tested it earlier and i didn't have any bad results with it, maybe someone with a better feel for net settings can test this
-usetcp : allows usage of TCP, probably useless because I'm not sure where TCP would be used in TF2, I'll have to investigate further
Some more kinda useless ones:
-shadersondemand : initialize shaders on use, though it still seems to allocate memory for the shaders, so don't see any use case for this...
-random_invariant : use the same seed for local RNG every launch, don't see a use besides debugging
-small : allow resolutions smaller than 640x480
-filmgrain : may enable a film grain effect, crashed on my PC when I entered a game
JackStanley
I switched to 90
edit: -nosrgb works fine on 80
So benchmarks soon then?
SetsulIt's stabby, the guy who recommended launch options that don't exist.
You can't even afford the amount of salt you need to take his advice with.
He's trying his best, and admits when he is unsure about things.
JackStanleySorry for kinda spamming, but these launch options seems really "buggy"Show Content
You know which launch option causes this? Most likely -nouserclip
Also are you still using dx8?
JackStanleyAlso @stabby mentioned before that cl_SetupAllBones 0 causes hitreg issues
Eh, unlikely. Most likely placebo.
I've found some launch options that you peeps might want to test:
-nosrgb : disables SRGB (limits variety of colors) results in flatter/smoother colors, and brighter lighting
-nouserclip : disables user clip planes and enables fast clipping (I experienced a fps boost with this)
-nops2b : uses pixel shaders 2.0 instead of 2.0b, reduces fps impact of some shaders
-softparticlesdefaultoff : disable depth blending for particles and sprites
JackStanleyMax frames very essentials
Please don't use these settings with my config. I already set these to optimal values in my main config and maxframes.cfg.
Main offenders: r_lod 2 (sets all models lod 2, even if they can go down to a lower lod, use r_rootlod 2 instead and set r_lod to -1), blink_duration 0 (doesn't do anything except divide by zero and possibly cause some errors/memory leaks), g_ragdoll_fadespeed 0 (this is the rate at which the ragdoll fades out, if it is 0 then it just takes up memory trying to do the impossible fade task per frame, though this might have been fixed in Tough Break), and I thought violence_hgibs 0 enabled low violence mode, which is worse for performance.
It is better to remove any extra configs you have for graphics and just suggest values to me. They might be ruining performance.
knsumeidk how u made a graphics config without knowing how to remove gibs and ragdolls but its a series of console commands (u can find them in most toaster configs)
I know, but most ragdolls disabling configs get a value wrong and cause a memory leak (possibly fixed in Tough Break). I wanted to make sure what values they were using.
JackStanleySo I ran myself a benchmark and it seems there are almost no FPS difference between Comanglia's and Mastercoms' (stabillity/maxframes) configs for me. Keep in mind I had my Opera browser opened with power save mode + I use LOD Tweak, dxlevel 80 + removed gibs, ragdolls and ect. for both of them.
How did you remove gibs and ragdolls?
What is LOD tweak?
And I recommend using the highest dxlevel supported by your card. But it comes down to what the benchmarks say, and personal preference. There are some things in dx8 that hurt performance depending on your specs. It makes up for it by disabling some effects not supported by it, but I think most of the important effects can be disabled in dx9 anyway.
Setsul
Hm, so I guess it comes down to benchmarking it with some perf tool.
Yeah, it was frustrating, but I'm glad it was sorted out. Sorry about that whole social drama thing in #111, I was just kind of frustrated from our conversation.
Anyway, the thing I was asking was the StackOverflow post's claim about fast clears, saying that glClear actually saves write and read time, on any GPU, not just Maxwell and Pascal.
Setsul
Oh ok, sorry. I see. You're right then. I'd like to thank you for walking me through it. I was missing the deferred vs immediate mode bit and why it would matter.
Could you explain this too? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/37335281/is-glcleargl-color-buffer-bit-preferred-before-a-whole-frame-buffer-overwritte/37336947#37336947
MouldConfig mains smh
Excuse you, I have a Hale's Own Text Editor and I'm proud!
Setsul, this isn't going to be worth my time if you aren't willing to understand what I say, nor if you are going to discuss these things in a non-pretentious manner. But, that's not what I meant. Here's the source I meant: http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~pcozzi/OpenGLInsights/OpenGLInsights-TileBasedArchitectures.pdf (23.3 on page 5 or 326 and 23.4 on the next page)
Menachemi keep going back over this thread in a struggle to understand why this turned so hostile
this is the drama tf2 really needs
I've tried to remain as friendly as possible but Setsul's behavior and discussion habits makes it quite hard.
JackStanleyThis guy did the great job, give it a shot!
Thanks! I'm not a guy though :(
I've been saying the same thing over and over, just in different ways so you could understand.
Drivers skip reading all buffers if you use glClear. And it might take a bit to find the link, I'm trying to figure what keywords to use. It might also be on ASM or IEEE so I'll have to look there too if I don't find it from googling it.
I believe it is in materials\sprites\crosshairs.vtf in the textures vpk.