In game matchmaking was dead on arrival. Just like most of valve's 'new' shit. They release something in a buggy shitty unfinished mess and then move on to making some new shitty ripoff gamemode that no one will ever play rather than fixing the problems they already have.

Valve hasn't given us anything except a big 'fuck you'.

why doesnt esea just ban banny and use a non retarded whitelist? I think that pretty much solves everyone's problems.

http://ozfortress.com/showthread.php?p=1002454

ubersaw is balanced (and won't be run now that the solemn vow is allowed)
crossbow increases the medic skillcap
escape plan increases the speed of the game

not every 'overpowered' weapon is bad, if it makes for fun gameplay and is better than the alternatives in the slot then it should become the new standard and every other unlock should be balanced around that.

looks like it's not just valve that are retarded when it comes to weapon balance

if i still played tf2 i would be incredibly mad at you mongos who clearly don't have a fucking clue about the game deciding on these changes

Unbanning the quick fix, solemn vow and soda popper is just literally retarded there is no other way to describe it.

Pomson's a shitty concept that we shouldn't be supporting and dalokohs is just a baby sandvich. If the sandvich is a dumb enough concept to be banned, the dalokohs should be as well because it's literally the same thing. It even heals more over time than the sandvich, 3 small health kits over 30 seconds = 93 health for a medic as opposed to 1 medium healthkit in that time which heals 75.

tl;dr fuck b4nny and slin

You probably shouldn't be quoting sirlin because a lot of his balancing philosophy comes from his experience in fighting/card and other asymmetrical games which are very different to tf2. For example he thinks that when buffing up a previously underpowered item it should deliberately be made too good so that it will be played. He also argues pretty strongly against banning anything because he argues that very few strategies are actually uncounterable, even if they may seem so when they are first discovered or used in a tournament. These ideals make sense for the games he plays but they don't hold true to this one.

just try to avoid ams' teams

because pubbers whined and for a while there we thought we were actually going to get valve support

/thread

just make a whitelist people want to play with to stop people quitting the game because there's no point having any other goal if there's no one left playing tf2

If demo got gunboats i would never use pipes again

what the absolute fuck is this

why are moronic pubbers asking for quick fix unbans

why are you talking about trump

cow mangler is just annoying, the loch is legitimately overpowered

Unbanning everything in the hope that valve will magically realise that competitive tf2 is the way of the future is not going to help matters. Having discussions about the fact that Valve has decided to let this game die rather than pull their socks up and compete with overwatch will not change the decision that Valve made.

The way I see the whitelist discussion is that everyone who still plays tf2 does so because they love the game a lot. Like, a lot. When you consider the potential opportunities and competition that is available in overwatch and compare it to this game which has always been a meme to the majority of people (most people are idiots to be fair), the weight of the actual enjoyment of the game must be the deciding factor for the people who continue to play it, cast it, write about it, volunteer for it and just generally contribute to the scene.

So you should cater the whitelist and the ruleset to those people, the ones who love the game, and do so in a way that will make their experience the best possible. For mine, this would involve banning the 10-20 weapons that are annoying as fuck and allowed on the current whitelist. Things like the loch n load, cow mangler, rescue ranger, etc. Other people might think differently.

But you should listen to those who continue to play the game as it is now, not those who want it to be a super popular esport with majors and high level tournaments every week, because most of the people who wanted that have gone to overwatch. I was one of those people, but valve has convinced me that it's never going to happen. Eventually they'll manage to convince everyone -- including you, b4nny.

criticising dashner who volunteered god knows how much time and money on making the stream production of the big lans for the last few years happen is the most laughable attack in this thread

Yeah damn people with big egos who only contribute to the tf2 scene because they can earn an income really are a scourge on this game, don't you think