So you're telling me that bullying and insulting people is fine, because if you're impacted by it, it's your fault?

All those people who have been bullied to the point of considering suicide, you're saying that it's their fault for being upset when other people say mean thing about them? Yeah, they're dumb teenagers. No, those insults don't really matter in the end. But how the fuck does that make it OK?

I can feel the straw man coming. No i'm not saying this happened to anyone in competitive TF2, but it has happened to people.

the NHL isn't a for fun hobby that's wondering why their player base is shrinking

You were insulting pubbers and spamming chat with stupid memes, and when I asked you why you were doing it, you said "because pubs". So I removed you and made it clear why I don't want to be friends with you.

Yeah, that's totally what I'm saying.

http://teamfortress.tv/user/profile/smobo
http://www.ugcleague.com/forum/search.php?searchid=345564

Excluding this thread, how much sarcastic aggression do I really post? Seriously. You're insulting me for stuff that isn't even true.

I never said people quit playing competitive because of chat in a pub, but do you really think shit talk has never bothered anyone or contributed to people leaving? because Stabby just left the community partly because of the disrespect he got from the comp community.

I still don't think that any other community is relevant here. I'm talking about our community and how we can improve it. (that is, holding people accountable for poor behavior).

I was mocking your post, not you. I really don't have a problem with you, you were just posing a really poor argument. You really don't know me at all if you think I'm toxic and treat people poorly. Go try to find the instances of me insulting people for anything other than them being rude or needlessly aggressive. There are a few and I still haven't forgiven myself for them.

How else can you show those subopen players that your ironic shit talk is more important than theirs?

i was just highlighting random words in that sentence and linking things, the placement is irrelevant. what i'm just referring to the kind of shitposting that he does where he tries to be funny by ironically mocking everything, and also how people tend to approve of it

the basis of what I'm saying is that most people don't have fun when people around them are being rude, and most people play comp for fun.

that's it dude. you can talk all you want about every other comp community and honestly none of that matters.

what we can do about it is actually moderate forums. hold people accountable for their behavior and their behavior improves.

I promise you that if TFTV didn't exist the community would be friendlier because we wouldn't feel so fucking righteous about hating on people for idiotic reasons

no excuse not to try

we played the game incorrectly because we lacked coordination and had quite a few calls made that i didn't agree with

but yeah we should kill ourselves

i'm not holding it against sneaky or anything, see how i didn't publish his real alias or anything like that, i'm just saying that really rude shit happens in comp tf2, and that's one of the easiest examples i could find

this is the wrong mindset. it's not like "i want to play competitive tf2, but all these meanies keep making fun of me". it's more like "this game would be a lot more fun if people weren't being dicks"

this isn't helping

http://i.imgur.com/CfiGXU4.png

no guys the community isn't toxic

i'm not trying to call anyone out specifically but are you seriously going to pretend that there's no problem when we tell people to kill themselves because they play one of the nine classes in highlander, or tell pubbers to "exit the server" when they die to you? and when someone complains about something, instead of respecting the fact that they might prefer you stop doing something you just brag about the fact that someone is annoyed by your actions.

the comp community has tons of people that show little to no respect for others, and it's the biggest reason why i'm not really a part of the comp scene anymore

This. Exact same effect. I did this for a long time until an update undid it and I didn't care enough to fix it. Now I just deal with it.

what a website name jeepers

Here on these forums, someone with 1 partial season of UGC steel is not considered "mid". You should be looking in low open or somewhere in UGC.

Good luck!

Agreed. Thank you for putting into words what we all felt.