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#17 [ETF2L] The Ugliest Side of Competitive TF2 in TF2 General Discussion

Apologies for long post ahead:

I think overall this seems like more of a communication/PR problem than anything else.

There are lots of people who are misinformed (or deliberately acting in bad faith) when talking about this topic, but the poster of this video in the yt comments seems to at least be somewhat reasonable and open to change, and I think if they were to have a genuine respectful dialogue with prem-level players they would at least understand things more.

People keep saying that they are spreading bad faith takes on purpose but I actually disagree with this. Having been in the fucking trenches for too long on tf2 reddits and youtube comments because I want to kill myself or something, I think comp players can be somewhat myopic when they consider how obvious the reasoning behind many changes in competitive are.

The video is an example of this issue but I'll provide an example of my own (because I'm more familiar with it); loch was recently banned in NA highlander. If you're not in an invite highlander circlejerk, or you have no connection to invite players (which I would hazard to guess is actually most people playing), what are your avenues to actually learning the reasoning behind wanting such a ban?

- Weapon was barely used at all during the season until the end (and probably even less so in lower divs I would guess), so it's not like you would see firsthand its problems
- Lower divs are worse at the game and thus worse at exploiting the weapon
- RGL forums are giga fucking dead so who knows what ppl are thinking (save the thread on loch, I'll come back to this)
- It's come up a couple of times in the main channel of the league discord, the channel that is dead like half the time and the other half the time it's talking about random shit, so very easy to miss.
- You can watch like maybe 2 casted matches last season that used it primarily, and with POV cam's + the cam not always being on the demo it's hard to get a sense of just how much the weapon is warping how ppl play. Plus how would you be able to tell between this weapon is changing how ppl play vs. this is just how invite teams play?

Now all of a sudden you get a survey question about whether or not to ban the loch. You have no reference point for why people want it gone, but obviously something must have happened, some meta shift. I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to assume that people are just being mad because they fail to adapt. Here's an example of such a post, and you can see the replies and that they later change their mind after hearing the reasoning. Is it annoying that people default to "comp players want thing banned = they are bad and salty cause they lost to it"? Sure, but in the absence of information available to these players I don't think it's a crazy conclusion to reach.

Ironically I think some comp players need to touch grass and take a step back for a second. It's really quite difficult for ppl who don't go out of their way to interact with good players to get a sense of what they're thinking. So ETF2L cringing it up by putting the wrong ban reasons (2 shotting sentries lol) actually can have a pretty significant impact on things. Proper articulation of why things are unfun or broken goes a long way; I know because I've been around that "unfun" roughly translates to either "rewards excessively defensive gameplay" or "incredibly rng and luck based" or "why are we giving the best class in the game something that makes it even better" or whatever, but others may not and that's perfectly reasonable.

posted 7 months ago
#4 Kingdom Hearts Coming to Steam in Other Games

PLEASE
OH BABY

posted 7 months ago
#15 new valve hero shooter - Deadlock in Off Topic

Third person fps is objectively garbage and only exists because seeing your character incentivizes people to buy skins to play as peter griffin or goon to chun-li or some shit change my mind

posted 7 months ago
#24 GPT-4o is insane in Off Topic
plumspringrollsEven research level stuff (let's say getting published in NeurIPS/ICLR/ICML etc.) doesn't need to have a ton of math depending on what you do.
Is this even true lol. For the conferences you mentioned almost all papers are primarily math.

Just looking at the ICLR 2024 outstanding papers I would say only one is math-heavy (generalization of diffusion models). The vision transformers need registers in particular is nice and has basically nothing. Somewhat ironically the more math heavy papers were relegated to the honorable mentions lol.

Obv every paper is gonna require you to latex something I'm not saying that, but in my experience the way you approach a theory/math paper vs the other types of papers is just so different with the math being extremely secondary (means to an end type deal). Compare the protein discovery paper vs the robust agents paper.

Also (and if you're familiar I'm sure you've seen this as well) these conferences are usually flooded with garbage like "we changed some model marginally in pytorch and got some small non-generalizable improvements" and sometimes that stuff gets published so.

posted 7 months ago
#17 GPT-4o is insane in Off Topic
RahmedThanks for the advice. I think that human interface will never be replaced, but tutoring gotta be a side gig for me. I really just want to do some calculus and coding tbh, and this looks like a high paying job that encapsulates everything I want

I'm sure bear can speak more on this given that he actually worked in industry but non research level AI will probably have like 0% math and 100% coding lol.

Even research level stuff (let's say getting published in NeurIPS/ICLR/ICML etc.) doesn't need to have a ton of math depending on what you do. Explicit calculus like taking a derivative usually shows up in the form of optimization but i don't see a ton of that honestly (granted I am in a stats dept so keep that in mind when I look at papers). Obviously though probability and analysis which are used a lot build upon calc, and there are certainly explicit uses like for stochastic PDE's in diffusion models. But if for whatever reason you love calc and only calc keep that in mind.

posted 7 months ago
#2 What makes bagel better? in TF2 General Discussion

sniper is cringe and its good on product but kinda not great on bagel

+ clearcut sucks

(bagel gameplay is also good on its own merits but better players could probably articulate why more succinctly)

posted 7 months ago
#29 Mastercomfig doesnt boost fps in Customization

i think your computer might be older than young sanity

posted 7 months ago
#2 TF2 stream highlights YT series (70+ episodes) in Videos

your vids are goated god bless

posted 7 months ago
#4 bo chyba tf2 ma małe problemy in TF2 General Discussion

Włezłycśó tf2 ęis po yrokówaktn arztaolcket błkąła isę op tclhaa i yowdrwatak ąocchdz żicśeikam iwąsk w wkiazzią ełnkmy witaśęowł pozsdciaąwje isę kterdwawoaj emicśnioc odp myjcuzni imeianb.

posted 7 months ago
#6 RGL Guess The Div in Videos

Wait the first few highfive clips are actually fucking impossible lmao

posted 7 months ago
#47 dalenu lft s6 advanced in Recruitment (looking for team)

this guy just fucking wins

posted 7 months ago
#21 heavy to mid in TF2 General Discussion

I think whip bombs could be insane, it's sort of hard to tell because historically highlander soldiers are not exactly jump savants and you're playing into the iron wall (pyro/heavy/scout/engineer, pyro here being the worst). But it wouldn't surprise me if invite soldiers make it totally busted. The walk speed increase is like 40% which is actually pretty nuts but I'm not sure how that translates into rj speed, maybe the jump nerds know.

posted 7 months ago
#3 MAJOR TF2 update for 4/18/24 (Windows/Linux x64) in TF2 General Discussion

official rip to prec, you had a good run

posted 8 months ago
#5 No girls ever in any tf2 games? in TF2 General Discussion

Playing this game has only damaged my relationships with women and I wouldn't want it any other way

posted 8 months ago
#16 Miggy's Highlander Charity Cup viewers' guide in News
brodyhow much do u have to donate if u get fatkidded in the draft

https://i.imgur.com/QtbLNqk.png

https://cdn.betterttv.net/emote/6518b687fc204fb5a94ca81d/3x.webp

posted 8 months ago
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