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Budget?
When are you going to build?
Those games need almost no GPU power so integrated graphics should be fine I guess.

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Just checked, recommended is 7900 series, just 7000 series would be a vastly lower requirement than a 670.

I expected that kind of budget and I just don't see it happening.

He could get a used PC, but not new.
RX 460 or GTX 1050 (both slightly slower than a 670) are >100€.
CPUs going to be >55€ unless you want to really scrape the bottom of the barrel.
Mobo at least 40€.
200€ already.
RAM to get the recommended specs 30€ at the very least, 40€ more likely.
Can't get a case for less than 20€.
Still need an HDD and a PSU.
If he intends to pay 80€ for an OEM Windows version then good luck.

He's probably better of getting a used PC. There'd be too many compromises necessary to even get it close to 300€.

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Any thoughts on this?

#1986
Ah well I could try then.
Maybe reuse the HDD as well for now?

ebay kleinanzeigen?

#1987
I have a dream that one day people will stop using budget coolers when they are not limited by budget.
I have a dream that one day people will stop picking the SuperNOVA NEX, which is mediocre, when the G2, which is excellent, is the same price or cheaper.
I have a dream that one day people will stop making builds a month before new CPUs are released when they aren't even in a hurry.
I have a dream today.

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Just got basically a new computer (-case and storage) for Christmas
CPU- Intel Core i5 6600 (stock cooler)
RAM- 8GB 2133 Mhz DDR4
Mobo- Asrock H110M-ITX
GPU- Gigabyte RX 470 Windforce
PSU - Rosewill Valens 500

looking to pick up an ITX case so I don't have to haul around a full tower with an ITX build. Doesn't need to be a tight squeeze, just not my whole desk's size. Budget is <$100 USD, PSU is full ATX size, gfx card length is 232mm, and I have 2 3.5 inch HDDs and one 2.5 inch SSD. Anyone have any suggestions?

So my power supply recently bit the dust. The end of the plug that plugs into the power supply had some plastic melting off so for safety purposes I'm going to not use my computer until I get a new one.

PSU is a Raidmax RX-500S that came with my raidmax case. It's a 500W one but as of recent it appeared to be under constant heavy load and was making a lot of noise. I have an amd a10 apu with an r9 380 OC edition, one hard drive and SSD and a DVD drive. Given that this last power supply was struggling, should I look for a PSU with a higher wattage? Or just one that's more reliable? Or both?

Edit: here's a picture of what it looks like, if anyone's interested

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Montagicals/saved/#view=bvTPxr

Hey Setsul, I built this from 3 years ago. I'm looking to upgrade the CPU and GPU so Autodesk programs and Photoshop run and render faster. I play games occasionally a well, so are there CPU and GPU upgrades you could recommend? Is Skylake still the highest upgrade? And if I do upgrade to say, something like the Intel Core i7 6700K and GTX 1070, would that motherboard bottleneck me? I know there's going to be new Intel releases though I'm not sure when and if the parts will get cheaper.

#1991
Raidmax PSUs are famous for things PSUs shouldn't be famous for, e.g. spontaneous combustion.

It's most likely a case of the PSU being sold as a 500W PSU, but not actually being rated for 500W. Probably the usual "take a 300W PSU, put a 500W sticker on it" strategy to cost reduction.

Any actual 400W PSU would be sufficient.

There are no good deals atm though, here's 2 options, depending on how much you're willing to spend.
http://pcpartpicker.com/product/zNK7YJ/evga-power-supply-100b10500kr
http://pcpartpicker.com/product/DPCwrH/seasonic-power-supply-ssr550rm

#1992
Kaby Lake will be announced in a few days.

Neither Skylake nor Kaby Lake will physically fit that mobo.

Budget?

Are you hitting the CPU limit or GPU limit or are you close to both? No point in upgrading the GPU if it won't do anything.

Yeah both get pushed. PS maxes the cpu while rendering and 3D programs will be sluggish. I'm looking to have a faster workflow. So I should get another mobo and reactivate the oem windows if I'm gonna upgrade. Ideally the upgrade should improve streaming or running multiple programs. I did buy another 8GB ram since then but I would be looking for either 16GB or 32GB as an upgrade as well. Upper budget with some wiggle for Cpu and gpu about $700-800

Zen might also be an alternative. Depends on prices, actual launch date and depending on how much you'd benefit just from more cores also on the final clockrates.

Skylake, Kaby Lake, Zen all use DDR4 so it wouldn't be an upgrade, rather a replacement. New mobo and RAM obviously will reduce the available budget for GPU and CPU.

The other option, especially if more cores don't help much would be to look for a used 4790K. You should be able to find a dud that didn't overclock well, which doesn't really matter since you can't on that mobo anyway, and get performance comparable to the 6700K thanks to the 4.4 GHz stock clock for a fraction of the cost. No new mobo needed.

If you were to get a new CPU + mobo + RAM would you want to overclock?

Mobo/ram not apart of the budget, I can spend on that. I think I want to stick with Intel. So with the i5 4570 I have, buying an i7 Skylake/Kaby Lake would only provide marginal benefits, if any? I don't think I would overclock. If/when the new CPU cycle makes current ones cheaper, are there no Skylake CPU's that would be an upgrade? Thanks for the fast responses.

Well there's the usual performance gain from Hypethreading, but yeah, there's no Skylake CPU available that'd be faster than a 4790K. Skylake with 6-10 cores won't happen until Q3.
Don't get me wrong, the 6500 or 6600 would still be an upgrade compared to the 4570, it just doesn't seem worth it for 10% or 20%. I mean if it feels sluggish right now 10% probably won't be enough.

Almost the same for Kaby Lake, sure 4.5 GHz are nice, but we're talking ~10% faster than a 4790K which is fairly laughable compared to the >20% single threaded and >50% multithreaded that you'd get going from the 4570 to the 4790K. Sure, another 10% on top of that are nice, but is it worth 2 to 3 times the cost?

Then there's Broadwell-E for 400 or 600$ (6 cores, can't afford more), but the mobos for that are never less than 150$ and you need DDR4. Single threaded it wouldn't even be a noticeable upgrade and definitely inferior to a 4790(K)/6700(K)/7700(K) so it's only an option for programs that scale well with more threads.

Other than that Zen, but prices are still a wildcard so that might not work either.

I understand. So 6700K or 4790K is what I'm looking at. For a GPU, what types of GTX 1070 would you recommend? Is the 1080 a significant improvement, and worth the cost? If I were to get a 6700K/4790K would I need to buy a new motherboard, or is my current one perfectly fine?

4790K -> fine
6700K -> need a new mobo, new RAM and a new cooler (doesn't come with one)
There is the 6700, which does come with a cooler and it's 40$ cheaper, not being overclockable isn't a downside in your case, but it's also a bit slower. Slower than the 4790K, need a new mobo and new RAM -> not worth it imho.

1080 is about 20% faster than a 1070. On a price to performance basis it's obviously not worth it, but if you want/"need" the extra performance you don't really have a choice. It's not within budget if you want a 6700K though.
Might want to wait and see if nVidia announces the 1080 Ti at CES in a few days. The 1080 Ti will definitely not be within budget, but the usual price drops might occur.

Which 1070 depends on the price bracket.
Ignoring the "as cheap as possible" category, since it's pointless for a 400$ GPU there's 2 categories, with minor performance/temperature/noise differences, but a 20-30$ price difference.
In alphabetical order the Gigabyte G1 Gaming, MSI Gaming X, PNY XLR8 , Zotac AMP! Edition are in the first and the
Asus ROG Strix OC (ignore the non OC version), Gigabyte Xtreme Gaming, MSI Gaming Z, Zotac AMP! Extreme are in the second, more expensive category.
Prices can vary based on stock situation, so a GPU from the first category being 30$ more expensive than one from the second doesn't make it any better. It just means the shops are running low on stock. Same within a category, the most expensive isn't necessarily the best.

Not recommendation for EVGA this time, their 1070/1080 have a nasty habit of exploding. Sure, the later versions should already have the fix applied, sure, you can prevent it by applying the thermal pads yourself, sure EVGA will replace the broken GPU no questions asked (although maybe not a burned mobo), but why deal with all that? Good customer service is not a reason to reward mediocrity.

Alright, thanks for the help. I'll hold out for a few months until price drops or a sale, and check for a non-EVGA 1070 (likely Gigabyte G1) and 4790K then.

I'm curious, what are the Xeon series? They have a lower ghz but are higher performing? Seems they handle 3D rendering and CAD programs well but are expensive and I wonder how they do with gaming.

Xeon are cpus aimed at workstation/servers.

They generally have lower clock speeds, more threads that make them better for applications that can be heavily multi threaded. ie not gaming.

For example the Xeon E5-2679 v4 is a 20 core 2.5 GHz CPU and has the highest score on CPU benchmark, https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html it also costs $3000.

However on the single thread score it scores very poorly for its price, performing worse than a significant number of i3/5s.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

Combined with motherboards that often dont have the features you might want for gaming, USB3, multiple pcie slots and their stupid high price. Avoid xeon stuff if you want to game unless you can get it for cheap 2nd hand or something.

You would get better tf2 performance on a Pentium G3258 a good cooler and some overclocking. Plus you would have a few thousand dollars left over.

edit: I did pick an extreme example of xeon processors but my point is still valid for gaming

Nope, Xeons are exactly the same except more expensive.
Also since Skylake you need a different mobo chipset for them because some Xeons without iGPU were cheaper than i7s with iGPU at the same speed. And people had the audacity to buy those instead of i7s for 100$ more. Can't have that.
So as an alternative to the 4790K the E3-1230v3, 1231, 1240 or 1241 would work, but at 3.7-3.9 GHz they are simply slower than a 4790K and single threaded not much faster than the 4570 you already got.
Except for some features they are literally identical. I mean literally. The difference between selling the same chip as an i7-4771 or as a Xeon E3-1241v3 is which features are disabled.

The main difference is ECC support. If you don't know what it is you don't need it.

They are meant for servers and the profit margins are insane. So unless you're trying to build a server don't bother.

EDIT:
Moist he wants better performance than the i5-4570 he got. For rendering. Get the fuck out of here with your Pentium downgrade. It doesn't matter how cheap it is to downgrade, it's still a downgrade.

And a single Xeon E5-2679v4 is not an extreme example.
You need 8 Xeon E7-8890v4. 192 cores, 384 threads, 60k$ just for the CPUs that's when you're living the high life.

Thanks. I spent a while reading up on that. What do you think of the i7 5820k compared to i7 6700k/4790k? It has two more cores but a lower clock speed

See #1997

The 5820K (Haswell-E) is the predecessor of the 6800K (Broadwell-E).

Intel releases new CPUs: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10959/intel-launches-7th-generation-kaby-lake-i7-7700k-i5-7600k-i3-7350k

I still have no reason to upgrade my overclocked 2600k :(

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#2005
40% overclocked, 60% on stock clocks is an absolutely reasonable performance increase for an upgrade.
Oh wait it's been 6 years and it's the same fucking price.

Meanwhile GPU performance for 300$ tripled in that timeframe.

#2006
Should be doable then I guess.
When do you want to build? Kaby Lake has been launched isn't quite available yet and neither are the new mobos.

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Does Kaby Lake only support win 10?

#2008
I'll post again once Kaby Lake is in stock in a few shops.

#2009
Yes.

However since Kaby Lake is identical to Skylake except for the iGPU I'll take any bet that some people who don't need the iGPU will run it with Skylake drivers.

My mom wants a new computer because our old one is from like 2005. Budget is $550.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/saam/saved/YdGkLk

Also got that $20 SSD from dell to put in it.