Just some things

First of all, i didn't know anything about the snafu with corsair. That's my bad, and since that's been brought to light, it might be worth reconsidering

I SLIGHTLY misstated the price difference in ssds. The Samsung costs a mere 9$ more in america, but i dont know too much about european pricing. 9 bucks is not too much extra to drop for better preformance. The pricing difference between the older and newer processors must be different in EU, because the 3rd gen is a bit cheaper in North america

My first computer build. Mini ITX style. Thought I would share.

Intended for LAN + home PC gaming.

Not sure how to make cable managment better. But hoping to clean up bottom area for sure. The bottom is intended for HDD, but only have SSD anyways.

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/HKD8TW

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($347.49 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Nepton 240M 76.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($140.74 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI Z97I GAMING ACK Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($202.28 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($386.21 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 980 4GB Twin Frozr Video Card ($530.55 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 380T Mini ITX Tower Case ($138.05 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair 860W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($182.92 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (32/64-bit) ($99.97 @ Amazon)
Total: $2028.21
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-16 15:54 EDT-0400

Apart from the usual "could've got cheaper parts with the same performance" nagging that's a nice build.
One thing though: What is up with that PSU? I mean there's no way in hell that would even touch 500W fully overclocked, so what's the reason for a 860W PSU?

He needs the best parts ;)

any suggestions for a power supply for this pc?:

intel core i7 4790k
samsung evo 850 120gb ssd
corsair hydro series h100i gtx 240mm liquid CPU cooler
asus maximum VII hero motherboard
g skill ripjaws 2x8gb ram
asus gtx 970 strix

edit: havent purchased yet so any suggestions regarding other parts are also appreciated

Antec HCG 520W semi-modular
non-modular option: Antec Neo Eco 520W

400-450W would be fine, even with a decent overlclock on both CPU and GPU, but I can't find any. AUZ ...
For SLI + high OC or fully modular or just generally one of the best PSUs: EVGA 750 G2

About the other parts:
Do you really need a 4790K?
How serious are you about overclocking?
Imho Aio liquid coolers don't make a lot of sense, they're larger, noisier and more expensive than high end air coolers and not even cooler except in some very special cases.
Do you need any of the VII Hero's features?
RAM brands are pretty much irrelevant. Do you need/want 16GB? You should be fine with 8GB, especially if you upgrade in 3 years anyway, but I doubt it's going to affect your budget much going for 16GB.
Strix is so average it's bad. The average cards it trades blows with are cheaper and the ones for the same price are simply better in pretty much or worst case absolutely everything. I just can't find a reason to recommend it. I'd say MSI Gaming 4G or Gigabyte G1 Gaming.

thanks for ur opinion but i think im gonna stick with these parts, gonna be a beast

ill check out that evga psu

Well it's your money.
Calling the buyer's remorse now.
In case you didn't know the i7-6700K is pretty confirmed 4.0Ghz base clock.

better 1.) bang-for-the-buck 2.) streaming tf2 100+ fps? (1024x768, 1280x720) any setts

G3258, HD 7770 SAPPHIRE 1GB, 4GB DDR3 1600, H81M-K, Hyper 212 EVO,
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FX6300, HD 7770 SAPPHIRE 1GB, 4GB DDR3 1600, ASRock Extreme3 R2.0, Hyper 212 EVO,

better build for money?
i know that the fx6300 is better at multitasking but the g3258 has better per-core performance

im budget-strict, dont throw i7 5xxx's @ me

Can you tell us what that budget is though? There may be better alternatives available in your price range.

since i already have some components im going to buy them periodically - motherboard, cpu & ram altogether, then goes hdd and at last gpu. currently, for the first buy-step i have 170-200$, and after that i plan buying that sapphire, which is around 75$ (?)

altogether, its around 300$, upgrading.
if youre already trying to make a build-list, all you need to get is - motherboard, gpu, cpu, ram, hdd. nothing else.

This is a decent $1100 build I'm planning on building soon c: I have some doubts about the graphics card though.

the 960 isn't great value, and also you don't need another cooler as the cpu will come with its own

So what's a good graphics card to use exactly? Should I go with an r7 series or what?

#520
7770? It's definitely obsolete, the chip has been rebranded 3 times since the 7770, where did you even find a 7770?
212 Evo for bang-for-buck in Europe? Nope. It's overrated in the US (people forget it's only a great when on sale, otherwise it's merely good) but in Europe it's way too expensive.

Streaming at 100+ fps with those CPUs? Eeeeeeh, not to rain on your parade, but it's not happening.
I'm assuming your connection could handle it?

Budget strict, doesn't tell budget.

#522
Right now is the worst time to upgrade.
New CPUs coming in August. It should also affect the prices of older mainboards
Both the new CPUs (DDR4) and windows 10 will affect RAM prices aswell.
AMD just released new GPUs and the prices will take a bit more time to settle.

#523
It's neither decent nor 1100$?
Unless you aren't in the US it's closer to 1200$ and I doubt it's going to be cheaper outside of the US.

I mean you managed to pick RAM, a case (although there's cheaper) and an OS but that's it.

The CPU doesn't make sense.
The cooler doesn't make sense (CPU can't be overclocked).
The mobo doesn't make sense (CPU can't be overclocked).
The SSD doesn't make sense (500GB but no HDD).
The GPU doesn't make sense (290 already shits on it and is getting even cheaper now with the 390 released).
The PSU doesn't make sense (CX500M 6$ less, CX430 half the price).
The monitor doesn't make sense.
The keyboard/mouse ... oh come on.
The headset ... it's a headset. I mean steelseries siberia ... just no.

I didn't even change the monitor, keyboard/mouse and headset, it's just to show you how much more you could get for less money.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($232.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($64.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($48.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($71.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 290 4GB TurboDuo Video Card ($234.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($40.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($34.00 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit) ($86.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VS247H-P 23.6" Monitor ($138.99 @ NCIX US)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($27.99 @ Amazon)
Headphones: SteelSeries Siberia RAW Headset ($46.40 @ Amazon)
Total: $1074.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-20 17:17 EDT-0400

https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0462/95/1422410422869.gif

what games are you planning to play?

I'm splitting up the parts in my old build to build these two systems:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($242.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($66.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (Purchased For $90.00)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $99.90)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $64.99)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB SuperSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($194.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($43.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 750W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $94.99)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar DG 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card (Purchased For $21.99)
Other: Samsung Syncmaster 2233RZ Black 22" 5ms 3D Gaming 120 Hz Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 20000:1 w/ HDCP Support (Purchased For $175.00)
Other: Windows 8.1 pro (Purchased For $0.00)
Total (Not Yet Purchased): $548.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-24 13:44 EDT-0400

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor (Purchased For $140.00)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (Purchased For $20.00)
Motherboard: MSI 890FXA-GD65 ATX AM3 Motherboard (Purchased For $50.00)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($48.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 6850 1GB Video Card (Purchased For $60.00)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $52.99)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($37.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer (Purchased For $18.89)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 OEM (64-bit) (Purchased For $90.00)
Case Fan: Cooler Master R4-L2S-122B-GP 39.8 CFM 120mm Fans (Purchased For $5.00)
Case Fan: Cooler Master R4-L2S-122B-GP 39.8 CFM 120mm Fans (Purchased For $5.00)
Case Fan: NZXT FN-140RB 62.5 CFM 140mm Fan ($5.00)
Case Fan: Cooler Master Megaflow 110.0 CFM 200mm Fan (Purchased For $5.00)
Monitor: Asus ML228H 21.5" Monitor (Purchased For $100.00)
Other: Rosewill RNX-N180PCe (Purchased For $19.99)
Total (Not Yet Purchased): $136.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-24 13:56 EDT-0400

Do you guys have any suggestions for the parts not marked as already purchased? The first system will become my daily, with the goal of it being as quiet as possible without sacrificing a large amount of price/performance, with additional noise reducing parts being purchased later if I decide they're necessary (quieter fans, a Scythe Kotetsu, some sound dampening foam I'll install inside the case etc). The second system is being sold to someone I know for $420 + the listed Not Yet Purchased parts, so the savings on those parts will be passed on to them.

The usual disclaimer:
Now is the worst time to build/upgrade, GPU prices are still settling and new CPUs are one month away.

Other than that just a few minor things:
Before I read that you will sell it to a friend I was about to suggest to put the new RAM and HDD in the new system since they're faster. I can see now why you'd want to keep the HDD though, not sure about the RAM, if you want low latency there's other options, I've put one of them in the part list (4$ more).

The 960 doesn't exactly have a good price to performance ratio. The 280X is more powerful and cheaper.

If you care about noise you might aswell go with the Define Mini or Silencio 352. That would probably be cheaper in the long run (no need to buy fans & foam).

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($242.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($66.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($52.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $99.90)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define Mini MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 750W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $94.99)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar DG 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card (Purchased For $21.99)
Other: Samsung Syncmaster 2233RZ Black 22" 5ms 3D Gaming 120 Hz Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 20000:1 w/ HDCP Support (Purchased For $175.00)
Other: Windows 8.1 pro (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $1059.81
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-24 16:40 EDT-0400

Skylake is being released within the next month? Damn I thought it was going to be close to the end of the year, and AMD released the new HBM GPUs. Jesus 100% upgrading in the next 2-3 months.

Overclockable CPUs will be released on gamescom 6th-9th August.
Anything interesting (aka Desktop) should follow within a month, the last on 5th September.

Hi guys, I'm planning to upgrade my awful PC which i purchased on eBay a few years ago to be able to produce enough frames to get a 144hz monitor, keep in mind this is mainly for source games specifically TF2, i currently get around 80 frames in 9v9 and 60-70 in pub, hoping to get around 200 consistent framerate.

Current
CPU: AMD A8 5600k Black Edition @ 3.6 GHz (stock cooler)
Case Cooler: 120mm Case Cooling Fan (Unsure of brand)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A88M-HD+
Memory: 16GB DDR3 PC-12800 (1600MHz) 240-pin (Unsure of brand)
HDD: 2x 3.5" 1TB / 1000GB SATA III 7200rpm HDD (Unsure of brand)
Video Card: ASUS R9 270X Direct CU II TOP
Case: COODmax F8A Compact ATX Tower
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX
Monitor: Samsung Syncmaster 2233SW Widescreen LCD Monitor 60hz 21.5" 50000:1 5ms response time

I could find out what the brands are for the CPU cooler, memory and hard-drives if necessary, sorry that their not listed already its because i bought this rig of eBay.

I did some research and am thinking of getting the following:

Case: Corsair Carbide Series Black 400R Mid Tower
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K Devil's Canyon 4.0GHz Socket 1150
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 Extreme4 LGA 1150 Motherboard
Monitor: BenQ XL2411T 24 Inch LED Gaming Monitor

However I don't know much about this stuff or if it is good enough to get the frames required for a 144hz monitor, would really appreciate some feedback thanks guys.

So an i7 really isn't necessary for any form of gaming, and definitely not for tf2. An i5 will do the job fine, however I would recommend getting an AMD cpu. It would spare you having to get a new motherboard and if you'd like to you can also get a new cpu cooler and overclock it. I would recommend the fx 8350 cpu.

I'm looking to upgrade my GPU which is the Radeon 6950. It's bottle necking my CPU pretty hard (i7-3770K Ivy Bridge). My budget is $400 but I'd like to spend less than that if possible. I want to be able to play TF2 at higher settings (currently dx8) and stream at the same time without having a performance loss. I'm thinking about getting the GTX 970. Any suggestions?

#533

That said the 4790K is way too expensive in Australia to even be remotely justifiable.
Also XL2411Z >>> XL2411T
I'm not a huge fan of the 200R either, the lack of dust filters and hdd decoupling is a bit weird at that price, but it's up to you.
Just a quick comparision:
What you would get.
What I would get

My advice is:
1. Wait at least until August, September would be better (new CPUs)
2. Get a budget.
3. Pick a good CPU with a good price to performance ratio.
4. Pick a motherboard that suits your needs (overclocking or not, expansion slots, etc.)
5. Then pick a case that still fits within the budget (if you're already over budget without the case, drop the monitor)

#534
Apart from the FX-8350 not being a good idea for TF2 in general anymore, I'm curious how you'd make the FX-8350, an AM3+ CPU, fit in the ASRock FM2A88M-HD+, an FM2+ motherboard.

#535
If you want to spend less than the max budget the usual "pick the fastest GPU below the budget" approach doesn't work. We'd need to know how much performance you need and then pick the cheapest GPU that delivers that much or more.
In other words "TF2 at higher settings (currently dx8)" isn't specific enough to tell which GPU would be fast enough.

Also the GPU basically doesn't matter for the streaming performance impact. Streaming doesn't put any additional load on the GPU, it won't bottleneck if it didn't without streaming, but it also won't take any load of the CPU.
Unless you're using NVENC or similar. In that case please refer to:

https://obsproject.com/forum/threads/new-nvenc-presets.18900/page-3#post-130579

Ah shit, forgot to check that my bad. Could you elaborate on why it wouldn't be good for tf2 though? I was thinking of getting one myself (upgrading from a phenom II x4 965)

1. Given equal multi-core performance less cores = higher single-core performance is preferable, especially in games
When they were basically the same price (microcenter) it was already hard to justify an FX- 8350 over an i5-3570 if you weren't streaming.
2. Would you buy an i5-3570 today? Why not? Because it's 3 years old and you can just get an i5-4590 instead.

I can see the appeal of not having to buy a new motherboard, but if there haven't been any new CPUs released for said motherboard in the last 3 years it might be time to accept the fact that it's obsolete.

I mean your CPU is 6 years old, back then we were still switching from DDR2 to DDR3 and now the switch to DDR4 is already happening. How long did you think you could drag that mobo with you?

anyone know where i can buy a laptop that i can stream with? i want to play with a buncha games, budget is like 1k

If i go for the i7 what case would you recommend Setsul?

I'm planning on a new build this summer for a computer that can play both TF2 and other games well, and would greatly appreciate input and feedback for the build so far.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/MC3FLk