I will be building it ASAP.
I did some reading on the Quadros and given what I could afford it did not seem like the best option compared to the GeForce possibilities for much cheaper. But do you think that would be very benefitial?
Also, isn't Nvidia(geforce) preffered over AMD for rendering because of CUDA? I know very little about this subject so I thought you mght be able to give some decent information.
On another note are the xeon processors any good for my project? Also not really familiarized with them but I have heard some people recommend those.

#1562
I'd say GeForce / Radeon drivers work well enough that Quadros / FirePros aren't worth the premium for a single person. Companies are different, but let's not get into that.

Don't confuse CUDA and rendering. CUDA and OpenCL are used for computations. Not everything has CUDA support.
The thing is AMD needs more raw computational power to get the same performance in rendering. E.g. the RX 480 has about 30% more GFLOPs than a GTX 1060 while being slower in DX11. When you're just crunching numbers (CUDA/OpenCL) the raw performance usually makes up for any performance benefit CUDA got. If CUDA is supported at all, keep that in mind.

I asked about ECC before. Xeons are exactly the same Pentiums/i3s/i5s/i7s, literally the same chips, but they support ECC. Similar to the -K CPUs for overclock. Yes they do cost more. Intel also is blocking them on normal chipsets now so you need a more expensive one to use them (see Z chipsets for overclocking).
You said you didn't want ECC so there's no point in getting a Xeon.

Which shops are you going to buy from? I should probably get started with a partlist.
I'm still not exactly sure what your use case is going to but I'll try to come up with a somewhat balanced build.

What sizes do you want/need for the SSD and HDD?

Asking Setsul for help.

Bumping this almost after 2 weeks.
Want PC for programming, video editing and gaming (i7 and RX 480 is prefered if possible for that budget).
Budget ~900-1000 euros. (1200 euros total with 144hz monitor).
Gonna buy in Lithuania (unless sending from Germany would be much much cheaper but I really doubt it's worth it).

Shops I can use (those three are usually cheapest ones):
http://www.skytech.lt/
http://www.kilobaitas.lt/
http://www.fortakas.lt/

#1564
Do you want Lightboost? Just asking because you got the XL2411Z in your old list.
FreeSync would also be an option, or neither.

RX 470 availability seems almost zero and the 480 prices are still ridiculous.

Can't save the partlist because I won't register.
http://www.skytech.lt/bx80662i76700-intel-core-i76700-quad-core-340ghz-8mb-lga1151-14nm-65w-vga-box-p-276370.html
http://www.skytech.lt/b150m-pro4s-asrock-b150m-pro4s-b150-dualddr42133-sata3-hdmi-dvi-matx-p-269976.html
http://www.skytech.lt/pv416g240c5k-ddr4-patriot-viper-16gb-2x8gb-2400mhz-cl15-12v-p-260871.html
http://www.skytech.lt/mz75e250beu-ssd-samsung-850-evo-250gb-sata3-540520mbs-iops-97k-p-221705.html
http://www.skytech.lt/dt01aca100-vidinis-diskas-toshiba-1tb-sata3-7200rpm-32mb-p-128155.html if it's 64MB, 32MB version is meh. The shop got another wrong though so I'm not sure.
http://www.skytech.lt/hdwd110ezsta-toshiba-p300-hdd-1tb-sata-6gbits-p-267340.html 64MB retail version (= comes in nice but useless box) of the first one, get this if you can get it and the first is only 32MB.
http://www.skytech.lt/st1000dm003-hdd-seagate-barracuda-1tb-sata600-7200rpm-32mb-cache-p-86160.html definitely 64MB since there is no 32MB version, but also the most expensive of the three.
http://www.skytech.lt/112600220g-sapphire-radeon-480-nitro-4gb-gddr5-256-bit-2xhdmi-2xdp-lite-p-320513.html not ideal but you won't need 8GB on 1080p anyway and the 8GB version's price is just bullshit.
http://www.skytech.lt/cp9020101eu-corsair-cx450m-semimodular-atx-power-supply-100240v-450w-p-295054.html
http://www.skytech.lt/ca1c100m1wn00-thermaltake-versa-h24-window-midi-tower-p-254601.html

So that's what I'd want ideally. Problem is that it's 1260€. That's why I asked about the monitor. I can probably bring the price down to 1200€ if I try and cut some corners.

Checking prices in Germany it works out to around 1180€. If you buy the case locally shipping shouldn't be a problem. Worst if you can't find everything in one shop that ships to Lithuania have it shipped to someone in Germany, which means you can use free shipping and some shops that are cheaper but don't ship internationally and them have them send everything to you for 10-20€ depending on the carrier.

I chose that monitor in previous list because it seems to be the best quality/price choice. We just need 144hz.
And I think we can fit into 1300 euros since we'll ask for a discount for buying two comps.

https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/aoc-g2460pf/
for FreeSync swag.

Talked to him on Steam as well, still debating 4 vs 8GB VRAM in case of a second higher resolution monitor, but the otherwise the partlist is finished.

So apart from the Brazilian CAD workstation I'm done with the backlog for now.

I wanted the SSD for the OS and some other programs therefore I believe 120GB should be enough. Regarding the HDD, I wanted 1TB
Not sure about where I am buying the parts yet, but here are some trusted brazilian online shops:
www.pichau.com.br
www.kabum.com.br
www.terabyteshop.com.br
www.fgtec.com.br
Buying most of the parts from the fgtec store would be preferred.

The other shops appear to be slightly cheaper though.

CPU: i5-6600
RAM: 2x 8GB 2133MHz CL14
Mobo: GA-B150M-D3H
SSD: 850 Evo 120GB
HDD: Toshiba DT01ACA 1TB
PSU: Seasonic S12II 520W
Case: Thermaltake Versa H25
Mobo and SSD not from fgtec, without GPU the total is around 3115 BRL.
If you want to stick with fgtec I'd get the RX 480 but the reference design isn't that great.

This is sort of the baseline.
All of this is based on the assumption that you're not paying in installments.

Now if you drop down the GPU to a 970 you could get an i7, but I think the 8GB VRAM are worth it for what you're doing or rather the stuttering the 970 gets once you start using more than 3.5GB, whereas the i7 most of the time won't help at all and when it does it might not be much.

If you're willing to use other shops for the GPU you could either get
-a 390, about as fast as the 480 but cheaper so you'd still able to get the i7-6700 and have 8GB VRAM or
-a 1060, which would be around the same price as the 480, but should be faster in rendering and maybe even for calculations because the reference 480 can't keep it's boost clock at all times. Also supports CUDA, but like I said I'm not sure if you'll benefit from that.

If you're willing to get some other parts from other shops as well I'm pretty sure I could fit a 250GB SSD, an i7 and the 1060 in the budget.

EDIT: fixed one link

I may be willing to buy from other shops. Feel free to try and fit those into the budget.

CPU: i7-6700 - 1414,03 R$
Mobo: GA-B150M-D3H - 538,75 R$
RAM: 2x8GB 2400MHz CL15 - 324,90 R$
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1TB - 279,90 R$
GPU: Zotac GTX 1060 AMP! - 1525,04 R$
PSU: Corsair CX430 - 215,00 R$
Case: Thermaltake Versa H25 - 249,00 R$ at pichau 233,75 R$ at fgtec but it would be the only thing from fgtec so I'm not sure what would be better for you.

~4530 / 4550 R$

What's left is the SSD. 120GB 850 Evo would be easy. 250GB 850 Evo would be 100 R$ over budget but you could get a cheaper case.
I don't like cheaping out on the case though and the 850 Evo isn't in stock anyway. Since you want to build asap here's two alternatives that are cheaper and in stock:
Crucial M500 240GB - 309,40 R$, total would be ~4840 R$
Crucial BX200 240GB
- 379,90 R$, if only having 2 shops (pichau and kabum) would be better than having to buy 2 things from fgtec as well. Total would be 4930 R$.

FYI: The PSU is possible because the 1060 only needs one 6 pin connector, other options like the 970 or 390 need two 6/8 pin connectors. Wattage wouldn't be a problem but for some reason the CX430 only got one 6/8 pin connector.
The Seasonic S12II 520W is better, but since you'd be buying more parts at different shops anyway you could get the CX450M for 311,90 R$. ~30 R$ over budget for the fgtec-less build, otherwise ~4940 R$ total.

I felt it was worth taking a shot at a mostly fgtec build again with the M500 and CX430.
CPU: i7-6700 - 1519,80 R$
Mobo: GA-B150M-D3H - 538,75 R$
RAM: 2x 8GB 2133MHz CL14 - 464,10 R$
SSD: Crucial M500 120GB - 191,25 R$
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1TB - 296,65 R$
GPU: Zotac GTX 1060 AMP! - 1525,04 R$
PSU: Corsair CX430 - 233,75 R$
Case: Thermaltake Versa H25 - 233,75 R$

5003,09 R$
If you absolutely must stay under 5000 R$ get the Toshiba DT01ACA 1TB instead of the Seagate HDD. That would bring the total down to 4969,09 R$.

So yeah, i7 + 1060 are possible for both options. Seems like I wasted all that time trying to figure out if Hyperthreading would be worth it or if you'd benefit from CUDA.

Pros for each build:
1. mostly fgtec + pichau:
- Only Mobo and GPU from pichau and the rest from fgtec is mostly fgtec like you wanted.

2. pichau + kabum:
- cheaper than 1.
- 250 GB SSD instead of 120GB
- better RAM (and maybe HDD, depending on which one you choose for 1.) than 1.
- still only 2 shops (3. needs 3)

3. pichau + kabum + fgtec:
- cheaper than both 1. and 2.
- otherwise same benefits as 2. (larger SSD, better RAM and HDD)
Or if you get the CX450M:
- cheaper than 1., almost the same price as 2.
- same benefits as 2. as before but now also
- better PSU.

I think I might have put a bit too much work and thought into this, but I felt it hard to be worth the wait.

Wow. That is a lot of information.
Thanks a lot for all the builds, the info and the time you put into it.
I will be analyzing them and proceeding to the building process.
Thanks again

Ah okay. What CPU + Mobo would you recommend, and what else should I upgrade? I'm also willing to increase the budget if $400 is not enough. Sorry for the wait.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($256.95 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: ASRock H170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($43.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Total: $390.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-17 17:39 EDT-0400

I'd say this would be good.
The i5-6600 would be about 8% faster but would be slightly above budget.
With a different mobo you could reuse your old RAM though so it would be possible.

Since you've never overclocked before and frankly just don't need even better performance than this, I don't think it'd be worth the premium.

I wasn't waiting for you, don't worry, I'm not trapped in this thread until all questions have been answered.

If I got these parts would I be able to stream as well?

Yes, but it's a bit tight. So for example 720p 60fps or 1080p 30fps is probably not possible.
For streaming an i7 would be better but if you just want to occasionally stream in 720p 30fps at best the 150$ extra aren't really worth it.

Ah okay. I'd like to be able to stream well, so I'm gonna go with the i7. Which one would you recommend?

Setsul I had little money since I'm a kid , so I bought a ati radeon hd 2400 256mb ddr2 for 10 bucks cause my ati radeon x1300 screwed on me, and I have a xfx geforce 210 low profile. Which one is better ? the geforce 210 or the radeon 2400?

I’m looking to figure out what I would need to upgrade to be able to stream Overwatch and TF2 at at least 120 FPS. Any help would be appreciated. Current budget is $1000. The specs I currently have are:

CPU: i5-3330 CPU @ 3.000GHz (4 CPUs), ~3.0GHz
Graphics Card: GTX 550
Power Supply: CX 430watt
Ram: 6 GB DDR3 SDRAM @ 1600 mhz
Chipset: Intel b75 Express w/ LGA1155 Socket

Specs are all taken from here: http://www.cnet.com/products/dell-inspiron-660-core-i5-3330-3-ghz-monitor-none-series/specs/

#1577
There's only one option if we're not changing anything else: i7-6700

#1578
The GeForce 210 is faster.

#1579
I can tell by the +frags people are already hyped for the Muma stream.

It's 8GB RAM btw.

What settings in Overwatch? I mean even on low you need a better GPU, but there is obviously quite a big difference between getting 120fps on Low or getting them on Epic.

The cheapest CPU upgrade would be if you could find a used i7-3770.

Otherwise it's almost a completely new build and in that case the usual question applies:
Overclocking yes/no?

thanks alot! i appreciate it!

My computer does currently have 6 gigs of ram, the specs on the site are from a newer model but everything else is mostly correct. I currently run the lowest settings possible on overwatch and it's fine. No to overclocking.

#1582
Are you absolutely sure about the rest then? Maybe just run speccy.

Because 6GB RAM make no sense with that CPU. There are some where it would make sense but those use a different socket, that's why I'm asking.
If you are on LGA1155 after all and won't be overclocking it then a used i7 won't be much slower than a new one cost you not even half as much since you won't need a new mobo either. If it turns out to be an older socket than LGA1155 I'd replace the whole CPU + mobo + RAM combo.

120fps in OW on low should mean you need something around a GTX 950 or R7 370 or RX 460. With your budget you could obviously get something far better.

Hey setsul, I've been helping Muma with this since he is basically clueless with computers. I may have gotten the type of motherboard wrong, but he is definitely on 6GB RAM.

This is the screenshot of his motherboard info from speccy: http://puu.sh/qG0Sr/a1e5866c79.png

If he is willing to spend $1000 what would be the most powerful CPU+GPU+Power Supply (and mobo if needed) that he could get?

Here is the summary page from speccy if you need it http://puu.sh/qG1A4/266859a6cc.png

Hey so im gonna build my 1st computer, my budget is about 850 euros and im buying from portugal.
I thought of this build but im a scrub so this might not be compatible or might not be the best build for my budget so could anyone give their opinion about this?
CPU: Intel Core I5 6500 3.2GHZ 6MB LGA1151 ; 203 euros
Graphics: MSI GeForce GTX 1060 OC 6GB GDDR5 (PCI-E) ; 279 euros
Motherboard: MSI Z170A PC Mate; 107,90 euros
Ram: GSkill 8GB Ripjaws V 2x 4GB DDR4 2400MHz PC4-19200 CL15 Red ; 44.90 euros
HDD: Western Digital 1TB Caviar Blue 7200rpm 64MB SATA III 3.5; 50,50 euros
SDD: Kingston 120GB SSDNow V300 SATA III 2.5 w/Adapter; 45,50 euros
Power Supply: Corsair CX500 500W 80 Plus Bronze ; 53,90 euros
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 Red LED; 58,90 euros

Thanks for your time

Edit: Another question, should i overclock or not?

#1584
Ah well, the ways of Dell are mysterious.

Actually if we're talking most powerful CPU the mobo will definitely have to be replaced. PSU not so much.

It's not that easy though, there's some 6 cores that are theoretically more powerful and better for streaming but worse for TF2. The sane choice would be the i7-6700.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($298.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H170M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($77.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($34.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $411.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-18 17:53 EDT-0400

You could cram in a GTX 1080 if you really tried but I don't see the need for it when going by what he said so far a 170$ GPU would be plenty.

So anything more demanding than OW and TF2 he might play?

#1585
No idea what you're trying to do so I don't know if you should do. For everything but TF2 it's probably not worth it.
If you want to oc you need an i5-6600K (-K CPUs are overclockable, the rest aren't). If you don't get rid of the Z170 mobo. Z series chipsets are for overclocking. Right now you have a CPU in that partlist that can't be overclocked so Z170 is just a waste of money, H170 does the same except for overclock (which you can't), even B150 is good enough. H110 is a bit too far down the low end for me.

The Seagate Barracuda or Toshiba P300 are a bit faster and usually cheaper than the WD Caviar Blue.

The V300 is the SSD antichrist. Don't get it.

Link me a shop (or multiple) or preferably a price comparision site and I should be able to make some minor improvements.

Thanks for the anwser
Using the computer mostly for gaming, tf2 and overwatch mostly.
The i5-6600K is pretty expensive considering my budget so i probably wont overclock at all i guess
The website im using for price comparison is http://www.kuantokusta.pt/ which lists the best price on most portuguese computer stores.
Knowing that could you tell me what pieces i should swap using all the complicated piece names so its easier to find them?

That's exactly what I'm going to do.
Tomorrow.

I have a question:
I am currently running an i5-4460 and a r7 260x, I'm looking at the new GPUs and I'm wondering whether it would be better to go with a 480 (Likely the Sapphire Nitro 4gig option) or a 1060 (One of the cheaper models.) Which one would be better for TF2 and Overwatch. Ive seen data on other big name games, but not much on these titles. I'm currently leaning toward the 1060, as the 6gigs and slight improvement in performance seem worth it to me, but if I'm wrong regarding tf2 then I would love to be told so!

it doesn't make a difference in tf2
you could max out your tf2 fps with skylake integrated graphics

tf2 is cpu bound so you won't see an improvement upgrading your 260x

#1587
Ok so for TF2 the i5-6600 would be slightly better, for everything else the difference is better spent on the GPU. So I agree with the CPU and GPU, all other 1060s and 480s (even the 470s) are just ridiculously overpriced right now.

The rest:
Mobo: ASRock B150M Pro4S
RAM: just the cheapest 2x4GB 2400MHz CL15 you can find.
SSD: 250GB 850 Evo
HDD: 1TB Seagate Barracuda
PSU: CX450M Don't get confused here, the CX450M is far more recent and far better than the CX500. Also semi modular. There are cheaper options though if you want.
Case: Cooler Master N200 There's other options here as well, I just don't like the SPEC-01 much. If a µATX mobo a full ATX case is just a waste of space and for 60€ it's a bit embarrasing that it comes with only 1 fan (gets a bit toasty in there).

Depending on which shops you buy from it should all be within budget. If not drop down to the 120GB version of the SSD and you should be fine.

#1589
Like #1590 said, the GPU doesn't really matter for TF2.
What you need for Overwatch depends on how many fps on what settings/resolution you want.