ScissorseeeHow is leaving the EU going to affect quotas? You do realize why there are fishing limits right? All you've done is remove yourself from the governing body that was imposing those limits, you haven't removed the need for fishing limits. If you start fishing more as a "fuck you" to the EU, you'll just overfish the channel and shoot yourself in the foot (which seems to be a common theme here). If the fishing limits were so unfair, why is your idea to say "fuck fishing limits" instead of trying to change the EU or negotiate with France? The level of subtlety and political insight in your posting is pathetic, you think like a literal child. I don't even mean that to be rude, I'm being 100% serious when I say your understanding and interpretation of the situation is so shallow that it genuinely feels like a child trying to wrestle with it.
Or maybe he just thinks that the british fishermen should be the ones fishing in the british seas, and not frenchmen and spaniards? It's ridiculous, they don't let us mine the swedes ores because we don't have any.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that whole situation was because british fishing companies sold fishing rights and the british government used fishing quotas as leverage in deals with other countries, rather than anything dictated unwillingly to Britain by the EU. And quite frankly given the effects of leaving the EU so far, this would make this have to happen more to get deals made, not less.
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How is leaving the EU going to affect quotas? You do realize why there are fishing limits right? All you've done is remove yourself from the governing body that was imposing those limits, you haven't removed the need for fishing limits. If you start fishing more as a "fuck you" to the EU, you'll just overfish the channel and shoot yourself in the foot (which seems to be a common theme here). If the fishing limits were so unfair, why is your idea to say "fuck fishing limits" instead of trying to change the EU or negotiate with France? The level of subtlety and political insight in your posting is pathetic, you think like a literal child. I don't even mean that to be rude, I'm being 100% serious when I say your understanding and interpretation of the situation is so shallow that it genuinely feels like a child trying to wrestle with it.[/quote]
Or maybe he just thinks that the british fishermen should be the ones fishing in the british seas, and not frenchmen and spaniards? It's ridiculous, they don't let us mine the swedes ores because we don't have any.[/quote]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that whole situation was because british fishing companies sold fishing rights and the british government used fishing quotas as leverage in deals with other countries, rather than anything dictated unwillingly to Britain by the EU. And quite frankly given the effects of leaving the EU so far, this would make this have to happen more to get deals made, not less.
EmilioEstevezeeeEmilioEstevezfish
How is leaving the EU going to affect quotas? You do realize why there are fishing limits right?
Do you even know why the quotas are set where they are? Why the French get a bigger quota of haddock in the English channel than the English?
Do you know that in order to meet their quotas on specific species English fisherman have to throw back the majority of their catch (most of which die anyway) defeating the point of the quota in the first place?
The idea of having sustainable fishing isn't the issue, the issue is that the way the EU has structured it has destroyed much of the fishing industry in Cornwall because it wasn't seen as a priority by London based politicians. They were happy to give the French most of the catch in that area because they didn't want to spend political capital on getting a better deal for English fishermen.
You don't know anything about English politics or culture, you are just an opinionated American college student.
You have yet to explain how leaving the EU has allowed the UK to fish international waters better though.
If anything, you've shown that the UK government doesn't give a shit about the UK and will sell their own people out for political favors.
[quote=EmilioEstevez][quote=eee][quote=EmilioEstevez]fish[/quote]
How is leaving the EU going to affect quotas? You do realize why there are fishing limits right? [/quote]
Do you even know why the quotas are set where they are? Why the French get a bigger quota of haddock in the English channel than the English?
Do you know that in order to meet their quotas on specific species English fisherman have to throw back the majority of their catch (most of which die anyway) defeating the point of the quota in the first place?
The idea of having sustainable fishing isn't the issue, the issue is that the way the EU has structured it has destroyed much of the fishing industry in Cornwall because it wasn't seen as a priority by London based politicians. They were happy to give the French most of the catch in that area because they didn't want to spend political capital on getting a better deal for English fishermen.
You don't know anything about English politics or culture, you are just an opinionated American college student.[/quote]
You have yet to explain how leaving the EU has allowed the UK to fish international waters better though.
If anything, you've shown that the UK government doesn't give a shit about the UK and will sell their own people out for political favors.
eeeEmilioEstevezeeeEmilioEstevezfish
How is leaving the EU going to affect quotas? You do realize why there are fishing limits right?
Do you even know why the quotas are set where they are? Why the French get a bigger quota of haddock in the English channel than the English?
Do you know that in order to meet their quotas on specific species English fisherman have to throw back the majority of their catch (most of which die anyway) defeating the point of the quota in the first place?
The idea of having sustainable fishing isn't the issue, the issue is that the way the EU has structured it has destroyed much of the fishing industry in Cornwall because it wasn't seen as a priority by London based politicians. They were happy to give the French most of the catch in that area because they didn't want to spend political capital on getting a better deal for English fishermen.
You don't know anything about English politics or culture, you are just an opinionated American college student.
You have yet to explain how leaving the EU has allowed the UK to fish international waters better though.
If anything, you've shown that the UK government doesn't give a shit about the UK and will sell their own people out for political favors.
http://www.cfpo.org.uk/download/acf70ab8-4f58-11e5-a8eb-a3bc19f46bdb/
"Just last week a Newlyn based trawler accidently caught over 10 tonnes of spurdog while fishing for John Dory around
the Isles of Scilly. This meant damaged fishing gear, lost fishing time and a great deal of frustration for the skipper nvolved. To make it even worse under current EU fishing rules not one of the spurdog could be landed for human consumption or sold"
This is a common issue, 10 tonnes of fish. The majority of which will have died in the nets, thrown back into the ocean because of EU quotas. This doesn't help the fish, nor does it help the fishermen.
The people actually affected by these policies voted to leave them behind, but I'm sure you, an American college student (who has probably never even set foot in the UK and learned everything he knows about the EU and the UK from BBC and CNN articles) knows better than the people who have to live under them.
[quote=eee][quote=EmilioEstevez][quote=eee][quote=EmilioEstevez]fish[/quote]
How is leaving the EU going to affect quotas? You do realize why there are fishing limits right? [/quote]
Do you even know why the quotas are set where they are? Why the French get a bigger quota of haddock in the English channel than the English?
Do you know that in order to meet their quotas on specific species English fisherman have to throw back the majority of their catch (most of which die anyway) defeating the point of the quota in the first place?
The idea of having sustainable fishing isn't the issue, the issue is that the way the EU has structured it has destroyed much of the fishing industry in Cornwall because it wasn't seen as a priority by London based politicians. They were happy to give the French most of the catch in that area because they didn't want to spend political capital on getting a better deal for English fishermen.
You don't know anything about English politics or culture, you are just an opinionated American college student.[/quote]
You have yet to explain how leaving the EU has allowed the UK to fish international waters better though.
If anything, you've shown that the UK government doesn't give a shit about the UK and will sell their own people out for political favors.[/quote]
http://www.cfpo.org.uk/download/acf70ab8-4f58-11e5-a8eb-a3bc19f46bdb/
"Just last week a Newlyn based trawler accidently caught over 10 tonnes of spurdog while fishing for John Dory around
the Isles of Scilly. This meant damaged fishing gear, lost fishing time and a great deal of frustration for the skipper nvolved. To make it even worse under current EU fishing rules not one of the spurdog could be landed for human consumption or sold"
This is a common issue, 10 tonnes of fish. The majority of which will have died in the nets, thrown back into the ocean because of EU quotas. This doesn't help the fish, nor does it help the fishermen.
The people actually affected by these policies voted to leave them behind, but I'm sure you, an American college student (who has probably never even set foot in the UK and learned everything he knows about the EU and the UK from BBC and CNN articles) knows better than the people who have to live under them.
Racist graffiti, hate mail and numerous reports of racist incidents all over the country telling people to get out because "We won".
Democracy's protectors.
Leave voters should be proud, these are your people.
e: one of democracy's protectors enjoys his new clean society
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Racist graffiti, hate mail and numerous reports of racist incidents all over the country telling people to get out because "We won".
Democracy's protectors.
Leave voters should be proud, these are your people.
e: one of democracy's protectors enjoys his new clean society
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GentlemanJonRacist graffiti, hate mail and numerous reports of racist incidents all over the country telling people to get out because "We won".
Democracy's protectors.
Leave voters should be proud, these are your people.
I love how every post pointing out how the leave vote was linked to racism immediately gets downfragged, as if leave supporters are trying to deny that it was linked to racism. You guys don't even have the balls to admit that you're racist - at least Trump supporters actively admit they hate Muslims.
[quote=GentlemanJon]Racist graffiti, hate mail and numerous reports of racist incidents all over the country telling people to get out because "We won".
Democracy's protectors.
Leave voters should be proud, these are your people.[/quote]
I love how every post pointing out how the leave vote was linked to racism immediately gets downfragged, as if leave supporters are trying to deny that it was linked to racism. You guys don't even have the balls to admit that you're racist - at least Trump supporters actively admit they hate Muslims.
GentlemanJonRacist graffiti, hate mail and numerous reports of racist incidents all over the country telling people to get out because "We won".
Democracy's protectors.
Leave voters should be proud, these are your people.
Black lives matter members saying all white people should kill themselves.
Extreme feminists saying all men should die.
Protesters pelting people with eggs and hitting them because they choose to go to to a trump rally.
Liberals should be proud these are your people, just because of their's a few bad members of a group doesn't mean the entire group is that way.
[quote=GentlemanJon]Racist graffiti, hate mail and numerous reports of racist incidents all over the country telling people to get out because "We won".
Democracy's protectors.
Leave voters should be proud, these are your people.[/quote]
Black lives matter members saying all white people should kill themselves.
Extreme feminists saying all men should die.
Protesters pelting people with eggs and hitting them because they choose to go to to a trump rally.
Liberals should be proud these are your people, just because of their's a few bad members of a group doesn't mean the entire group is that way.
whymeoGentlemanJonRacist graffiti, hate mail and numerous reports of racist incidents all over the country telling people to get out because "We won".
Democracy's protectors.
Leave voters should be proud, these are your people.
I love how every post pointing out how the leave vote was linked to racism immediately gets downfragged, as if leave supporters are trying to deny that it was linked to racism. You guys don't even have the balls to admit that you're racist - at least Trump supporters actively admit they hate Muslims.
muslim is not a race, people hate talk all the time about how much they hate Christianity why aren't they racists?
[quote=whymeo][quote=GentlemanJon]Racist graffiti, hate mail and numerous reports of racist incidents all over the country telling people to get out because "We won".
Democracy's protectors.
Leave voters should be proud, these are your people.[/quote]
I love how every post pointing out how the leave vote was linked to racism immediately gets downfragged, as if leave supporters are trying to deny that it was linked to racism. You guys don't even have the balls to admit that you're racist - at least Trump supporters actively admit they hate Muslims.[/quote]
muslim is not a race, people hate talk all the time about how much they hate Christianity why aren't they racists?
whymeoGentlemanJonRacist graffiti, hate mail and numerous reports of racist incidents all over the country telling people to get out because "We won".
Democracy's protectors.
Leave voters should be proud, these are your people.
I love how every post pointing out how the leave vote was linked to racism immediately gets downfragged, as if leave supporters are trying to deny that it was linked to racism. You guys don't even have the balls to admit that you're racist - at least Trump supporters actively admit they hate Muslims.
It's a common theme with liberals to brand anyone who disagrees with them a racist. They try to silence dissenting ideas by name calling anyone who has a different opinion.
There are plenty of good reasons to want to leave the EU and none of them involve racism.
[quote=whymeo][quote=GentlemanJon]Racist graffiti, hate mail and numerous reports of racist incidents all over the country telling people to get out because "We won".
Democracy's protectors.
Leave voters should be proud, these are your people.[/quote]
I love how every post pointing out how the leave vote was linked to racism immediately gets downfragged, as if leave supporters are trying to deny that it was linked to racism. You guys don't even have the balls to admit that you're racist - at least Trump supporters actively admit they hate Muslims.[/quote]
It's a common theme with liberals to brand anyone who disagrees with them a racist. They try to silence dissenting ideas by name calling anyone who has a different opinion.
There are plenty of good reasons to want to leave the EU and none of them involve racism.
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Nub_DanishBlack lives matter members saying all white people should kill themselves.
Extreme feminists saying all men should die.
Protesters pelting people with eggs and hitting them because they choose to go to to a trump rally.
Liberals should be proud these are your people, just because of their's a few bad members of a group doesn't mean the entire group is that way.
This is the UK, everybody is liberal - the Tories are liberal, it's the name of a dead center political party. Why are you commenting on a political environment you know nothing about? You don't even know the lingo.
[quote=Nub_Danish]Black lives matter members saying all white people should kill themselves.
Extreme feminists saying all men should die.
Protesters pelting people with eggs and hitting them because they choose to go to to a trump rally.
Liberals should be proud these are your people, just because of their's a few bad members of a group doesn't mean the entire group is that way.[/quote]
This is the UK, everybody is liberal - the Tories are liberal, it's the name of a dead center political party. Why are you commenting on a political environment you know nothing about? You don't even know the lingo.
EmilioEstevezwhymeoGentlemanJonRacist graffiti, hate mail and numerous reports of racist incidents all over the country telling people to get out because "We won".
Democracy's protectors.
Leave voters should be proud, these are your people.
I love how every post pointing out how the leave vote was linked to racism immediately gets downfragged, as if leave supporters are trying to deny that it was linked to racism. You guys don't even have the balls to admit that you're racist - at least Trump supporters actively admit they hate Muslims.
Because it's a common theme with liberals to brand anyone who disagrees with them a racist. They try to silence dissenting ideas by name calling anyone who has a different opinion.
There are plenty of good reasons to want to leave the EU and none of them involve racism.
Aaaaand yet you are still totally ignoring the fact that a very large portion of the leave voters were motivated to vote leave because of their dislike of immigrants.
[quote=EmilioEstevez][quote=whymeo][quote=GentlemanJon]Racist graffiti, hate mail and numerous reports of racist incidents all over the country telling people to get out because "We won".
Democracy's protectors.
Leave voters should be proud, these are your people.[/quote]
I love how every post pointing out how the leave vote was linked to racism immediately gets downfragged, as if leave supporters are trying to deny that it was linked to racism. You guys don't even have the balls to admit that you're racist - at least Trump supporters actively admit they hate Muslims.[/quote]
Because it's a common theme with liberals to brand anyone who disagrees with them a racist. They try to silence dissenting ideas by name calling anyone who has a different opinion.
There are plenty of good reasons to want to leave the EU and none of them involve racism.[/quote]
Aaaaand yet you are still totally ignoring the fact that a very large portion of the leave voters were motivated to vote leave because of their dislike of immigrants.
whymeoI love how every post pointing out how the leave vote was linked to racism immediately gets downfragged, as if leave supporters are trying to deny that it was linked to racism. You guys don't even have the balls to admit that you're racist - at least Trump supporters actively admit they hate Muslims.
Alternatively, someone implying 17 million people are in favour of racist incidents simply for voting to be able to govern themselves doesn't warrant a response more than a left click. I suppose I should thank you for bringing it out in the end.
[quote=whymeo]
I love how every post pointing out how the leave vote was linked to racism immediately gets downfragged, as if leave supporters are trying to deny that it was linked to racism. You guys don't even have the balls to admit that you're racist - at least Trump supporters actively admit they hate Muslims.[/quote]
Alternatively, someone implying 17 million people are in favour of racist incidents simply for voting to be able to govern themselves doesn't warrant a response more than a left click. I suppose I should thank you for bringing it out in the end.
whymeoAaaaand yet you are still totally ignoring the fact that a very large portion of the leave voters were motivated to vote leave because of their dislike of immigrants.
What's very large. Is it 1%, or maybe 10%, or is it 50%+? Where are you getting this from, I'd love to see your sources for claiming "a very large portion" of the 17 million people who voted to leave are unabashed racists.
Let me guess, you saw one interview on the BBC with some moron saying something dumb about Muslims and immediately decided that 52% of the population of the UK are bigots even though you've probably never been here and don't understand the North/South/London political divide in the UK?
[quote=whymeo]
Aaaaand yet you are still totally ignoring the fact that a very large portion of the leave voters were motivated to vote leave because of their dislike of immigrants.[/quote]
What's very large. Is it 1%, or maybe 10%, or is it 50%+? Where are you getting this from, I'd love to see your sources for claiming "a very large portion" of the 17 million people who voted to leave are unabashed racists.
Let me guess, you saw one interview on the BBC with some moron saying something dumb about Muslims and immediately decided that 52% of the population of the UK are bigots even though you've probably never been here and don't understand the North/South/London political divide in the UK?
RussianGuyovichAlternatively, someone implying 17 million people are in favour of racist incidents simply for voting to be able to govern themselves doesn't warrant a response more than a left click. I suppose I should thank you for bringing it out in the end.
There's a difference between my implication and your inference, you're the one jumping to what you think is an obvious conclusion.
[quote=RussianGuyovich]Alternatively, someone implying 17 million people are in favour of racist incidents simply for voting to be able to govern themselves doesn't warrant a response more than a left click. I suppose I should thank you for bringing it out in the end.[/quote]
There's a difference between my implication and your inference, you're the one jumping to what you think is an obvious conclusion.
Nub_DanishGentlemanJonRacist graffiti, hate mail and numerous reports of racist incidents all over the country telling people to get out because "We won".
Democracy's protectors.
Leave voters should be proud, these are your people.
Black lives matter members saying all white people should kill themselves.
Extreme feminists saying all men should die.
Protesters pelting people with eggs and hitting them because they choose to go to to a trump rally.
Liberals should be proud these are your people, just because of their's a few bad members of a group doesn't mean the entire group is that way.
The difference is the liberals don't let their lunatics decide national policy
[quote=Nub_Danish][quote=GentlemanJon]Racist graffiti, hate mail and numerous reports of racist incidents all over the country telling people to get out because "We won".
Democracy's protectors.
Leave voters should be proud, these are your people.[/quote]
Black lives matter members saying all white people should kill themselves.
Extreme feminists saying all men should die.
Protesters pelting people with eggs and hitting them because they choose to go to to a trump rally.
Liberals should be proud these are your people, just because of their's a few bad members of a group doesn't mean the entire group is that way.[/quote]
The difference is the liberals don't let their lunatics decide national policy
and its not that leave is inherently racist
its just racists would've supported leaving
and its not that leave is inherently racist
its just racists would've supported leaving
GentlemanJonRussianGuyovichAlternatively, someone implying 17 million people are in favour of racist incidents simply for voting to be able to govern themselves doesn't warrant a response more than a left click. I suppose I should thank you for bringing it out in the end.
There's a difference between my implication and your inference, you're the one jumping to what you think is an obvious conclusion.
In that case, please provide your intent if I got the conclusion wrong.
eeeand its not that leave is inherently racist
its just racists would've supported leaving
I'm sure there's a few racists in the 16 million who voted remain. They either just don't know they are, or it wasn't the primary issue for them.
[quote=GentlemanJon][quote=RussianGuyovich]Alternatively, someone implying 17 million people are in favour of racist incidents simply for voting to be able to govern themselves doesn't warrant a response more than a left click. I suppose I should thank you for bringing it out in the end.[/quote]
There's a difference between my implication and your inference, you're the one jumping to what you think is an obvious conclusion.[/quote]
In that case, please provide your intent if I got the conclusion wrong.
[quote=eee]and its not that leave is inherently racist
its just racists would've supported leaving[/quote]
I'm sure there's a few racists in the 16 million who voted remain. They either just don't know they are, or it wasn't the primary issue for them.
It was a decision based on immigration
which didn't become an issue until brown people started moving into the EU
You might not be racist if you're anti-immigration, but you're supporting a policy that racists are for 100%. It doesn't mean you're wrong, but its worth considering what that means about your argument
It was a decision based on immigration
which didn't become an issue until brown people started moving into the EU
You might not be racist if you're anti-immigration, but you're supporting a policy that racists are for 100%. It doesn't mean you're wrong, but its worth considering what that means about your argument
EmilioEstevezWhat's very large. Is it 1%, or maybe 10%, or is it 50%+? Where are you getting this from, I'd love to see your sources for claiming "a very large portion" of the 17 million people who voted to leave are unabashed racists.
Let me guess, you saw one interview on the BBC with some moron saying something dumb about Muslims and immediately decided that 52% of the population of the UK are bigots even though you've probably never been here and don't understand the North/South/London political divide in the UK?
You're capable of looking this stuff up yourself but you'd rather just complain about the evil liberals saying you're racist and call it a day as facts don't back up your arguments, but since you pretended you wanted to know here you go: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/atmwrgevvj/TimesResults_160622_EVEOFPOLL.pdf
84% of voters who were planning to vote leave leading up to the vote said they thought Britain leaving the EU would result in less immigration into Britain (only 27% of remain voters thought it would result in less immigration).
83% of voters who were planning to vote leave leading up to the vote said they would prefer Britain having full control of immigration into Britain but no free access to the EU market as opposed to "British businesses having free access to trade with the EU, but Britain having to allow EU citizens the right to live and work in Britain".
This vote was clearly about immigration and no matter how much you deny it - people's fear of immigration (especially today with the crisis in Syria) is mostly caused by racism.
[quote=EmilioEstevez]What's very large. Is it 1%, or maybe 10%, or is it 50%+? Where are you getting this from, I'd love to see your sources for claiming "a very large portion" of the 17 million people who voted to leave are unabashed racists.
Let me guess, you saw one interview on the BBC with some moron saying something dumb about Muslims and immediately decided that 52% of the population of the UK are bigots even though you've probably never been here and don't understand the North/South/London political divide in the UK?[/quote]
You're capable of looking this stuff up yourself but you'd rather just complain about the evil liberals saying you're racist and call it a day as facts don't back up your arguments, but since you pretended you wanted to know here you go: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/atmwrgevvj/TimesResults_160622_EVEOFPOLL.pdf
84% of voters who were planning to vote leave leading up to the vote said they thought Britain leaving the EU would result in less immigration into Britain (only 27% of remain voters thought it would result in less immigration).
83% of voters who were planning to vote leave leading up to the vote said they would prefer Britain having full control of immigration into Britain but no free access to the EU market as opposed to "British businesses having free access to trade with the EU, but Britain having to allow EU citizens the right to live and work in Britain".
This vote was clearly about immigration and no matter how much you deny it - people's fear of immigration (especially today with the crisis in Syria) is mostly caused by racism.
whymeoThis vote was clearly about immigration and no matter how much you deny it - people's fear of immigrants is caused by racism.
I really wish you guys would stop pretending like you even have an inkling of why the British people voted for what they did. Just because you read a few articles on the BBC and you watch Top Gear, that doesn't make you an expert on British culture. You really have no clue about the subject, you can't understand it from your dorm rooms in the USA.
Besides, wanting control over immigration is not racism. What other country has an open door immigration policy (which is what the EU has)? The USA sure doesn't allow unlimited numbers of immigrants to come, neither does Canada.
The UK is a small country of 65million people. There were somewhere around 300k mostly low skilled immigrants coming from ex Warsaw-pact countries to stay here every year and there was no way for the UK government to control that flow while still part of the EU. Skilled immigrants from outside of the EU were being rejected in order to keep the total numbers coming in at a managable level. We don't need to do that anymore, maybe we'll even have more immigration now that we have left the EU, but we will have control over it and the British people can choose rather than being dictated to by the EU.
[quote=whymeo]This vote was clearly about immigration and no matter how much you deny it - people's fear of immigrants is caused by racism.[/quote]
I really wish you guys would stop pretending like you even have an inkling of why the British people voted for what they did. Just because you read a few articles on the BBC and you watch Top Gear, that doesn't make you an expert on British culture. You really have no clue about the subject, you can't understand it from your dorm rooms in the USA.
Besides, wanting control over immigration is not racism. What other country has an open door immigration policy (which is what the EU has)? The USA sure doesn't allow unlimited numbers of immigrants to come, neither does Canada.
The UK is a small country of 65million people. There were somewhere around 300k mostly low skilled immigrants coming from ex Warsaw-pact countries to stay here every year and there was no way for the UK government to control that flow while still part of the EU. Skilled immigrants from outside of the EU were being rejected in order to keep the total numbers coming in at a managable level. We don't need to do that anymore, maybe we'll even have more immigration now that we have left the EU, but we will have control over it and the British people can choose rather than being dictated to by the EU.
RussianGuyovichIn that case, please provide your intent if I got the conclusion wrong.
To make sure that the latest heroic exploits of democracy's protectors get the publicity they deserve. Rule Britannia.
[quote=RussianGuyovich]In that case, please provide your intent if I got the conclusion wrong.[/quote]
To make sure that the latest heroic exploits of democracy's protectors get the publicity they deserve. Rule Britannia.
Your country needs immigrants, its part of the reason the scottish wanted to stay
Immigration peaks likely had to do with the Syrian thing anyway, I genuinely doubt it was a long term data point
Your country needs immigrants, its part of the reason the scottish wanted to stay
Immigration peaks likely had to do with the Syrian thing anyway, I genuinely doubt it was a long term data point
eee
You might not be racist if you're anti-immigration, but you're supporting a policy that racists are for 100%. It doesn't mean you're wrong, but its worth considering what that means about your argument
Let me see... Nothing? No belief exists that hasn't been supported by any people with questionable morals, both on the right and left side of the spectrum.
[quote=eee]
You might not be racist if you're anti-immigration, but you're supporting a policy that racists are for 100%. It doesn't mean you're wrong, but its worth considering what that means about your argument[/quote]
Let me see... Nothing? No belief exists that hasn't been supported by any people with questionable morals, both on the right and left side of the spectrum.
EmilioEstevezBesides, wanting control over immigration is not racism.
As eee already said, being anti-immigration isn't inherently racist (Although really, try and show me a time in history where anti-immigration policies have been popular when popular opinion against immigration wasn't motivated by a dislike of a certain race moving into their country. Highly doubt many if any examples exist at all.), but the push back against immigration in the UK and the EU in general is very clearly linked to the crisis in Syria.
[quote=EmilioEstevez]Besides, wanting control over immigration is not racism.[/quote]
As eee already said, being anti-immigration isn't inherently racist (Although really, try and show me a time in history where anti-immigration policies have been popular when popular opinion against immigration wasn't motivated by a dislike of a certain race moving into their country. Highly doubt many if any examples exist at all.), but the push back against immigration in the UK and the EU in general is very clearly linked to the crisis in Syria.
eeeImmigration peaks likely had to do with the Syrian thing anyway, I genuinely doubt it was a long term data point
whymeobut the push back against immigration in the UK and the EU in general is very clearly linked to the crisis in Syria.
You're showing how you know very little about this at all. The UK was not obligated to take refugees from Syria like the rest of the EU was, we had negotiated an exception re refugees before the Syrian crisis even began. The immigration issue in the UK is focused on the huge numbers of Eastern Europeans who have come over the past 2 decades with no way for the UK government to decide how many we are able to take. If they want to come they have to be accepted, and around 300k of them came here every year and the vast majority never went home.
[quote=eee]Immigration peaks likely had to do with the Syrian thing anyway, I genuinely doubt it was a long term data point[/quote]
[quote=whymeo]but the push back against immigration in the UK and the EU in general is very clearly linked to the crisis in Syria.[/quote]
You're showing how you know very little about this at all. The UK was not obligated to take refugees from Syria like the rest of the EU was, we had negotiated an exception re refugees before the Syrian crisis even began. The immigration issue in the UK is focused on the huge numbers of Eastern Europeans who have come over the past 2 decades with no way for the UK government to decide how many we are able to take. If they want to come they have to be accepted, and around 300k of them came here every year and the vast majority never went home.
EmilioEstevezAgain you're showing how you know very little about this at all. The UK was not obligated to take refugees from Syria like the rest of the EU was, we had negotiated an exception re refugees before the Syrian crisis even began. The immigration issue in the UK is focused on the huge numbers of Eastern Europeans who have come over the past 2 decades with no way for the UK government to decide how many we are able to take. If they want to come they have to be accepted, and around 300k of them came here every year and the vast majority never went home.
You think there are 6 million eastern europeans in the UK?
[quote=EmilioEstevez]Again you're showing how you know very little about this at all. The UK was not obligated to take refugees from Syria like the rest of the EU was, we had negotiated an exception re refugees before the Syrian crisis even began. The immigration issue in the UK is focused on the huge numbers of Eastern Europeans who have come over the past 2 decades with no way for the UK government to decide how many we are able to take. If they want to come they have to be accepted, and around 300k of them came here every year and the vast majority never went home.[/quote]
You think there are 6 million eastern europeans in the UK?
What about the eastern europeans who moved to the UK because they thought their low skill jobs might've gotten stolen from the refugees?
Your economy is powerful as shit, welcome to the first world where no one who was born in country actually does unskilled work.
What about the eastern europeans who moved to the UK because they thought their low skill jobs might've gotten stolen from the refugees?
Your economy is powerful as shit, welcome to the first world where no one who was born in country actually does unskilled work.
EmilioEstevezAgain you're showing how you know very little about this at all. The UK was not obligated to take refugees from Syria like the rest of the EU was, we had negotiated an exception re refugees before the Syrian crisis even began. The immigration issue in the UK is focused on the huge numbers of Eastern Europeans who have come over the past 2 decades with no way for the UK government to decide how many we are able to take. If they want to come they have to be accepted.
Well since we've already played this game: show me some actual sources to back up your claim that anti-immigration attitudes being on the rise lately in Europe and the UK aren't linked to the crisis in Syria.
[quote=EmilioEstevez]Again you're showing how you know very little about this at all. The UK was not obligated to take refugees from Syria like the rest of the EU was, we had negotiated an exception re refugees before the Syrian crisis even began. The immigration issue in the UK is focused on the huge numbers of Eastern Europeans who have come over the past 2 decades with no way for the UK government to decide how many we are able to take. If they want to come they have to be accepted.[/quote]
Well since we've already played this game: show me some actual sources to back up your claim that anti-immigration attitudes being on the rise lately in Europe and the UK aren't linked to the crisis in Syria.
Assuming leaving the EU was not an option, what limitations on immigration would you impose? Is it an issue of border control in Turkey, Greece and other mediterranean nations? I mean, these countries have struggled really hard to deal with the extreme influx of refugees (or migrants if you will) and to me it's absurd to think that the rest of Europe wouldn't at least attempt to share the burden (while at the same time attempting to limit the influx of refugees into these mediterranean nations)
Assuming leaving the EU was not an option, what limitations on immigration would you impose? Is it an issue of border control in Turkey, Greece and other mediterranean nations? I mean, these countries have struggled really hard to deal with the extreme influx of refugees (or migrants if you will) and to me it's absurd to think that the rest of Europe wouldn't at least attempt to share the burden (while at the same time attempting to limit the influx of refugees into these mediterranean nations)
connor i love u fam but why are seemingly ALL albertans ignorant conservatives while pretty much the rest of the country are peaceful, educated liberals???
connor i love u fam but why are seemingly ALL albertans ignorant conservatives while pretty much the rest of the country are peaceful, educated liberals???