fuckmachineoh his policy page says he supports universal healthcare and environmental issues that must mean they will become realities when he is president!!!!!! those things will never happen
Surprised you didn't say that "Bernie would go through with all of his promises without any form of compromise!!" in the same breath as that sentence.
Also from a european standpoint, being hyper-focused on the political record of 1 candidate while refusing to acknowledge any form of progressive evolution of said candidate's party is just being willfully ignorant. Even when talking about Biden, he literally refused to support same-sex marriage during the 2008-election, which today, is one of the democratic party's policy-cornerstones.
What kind of LARPing world do you live in where you literally call a party that's actively enabling an authoritarian President-, and a party who's electorate becomes more socially democratic every election season, -the same thing. Holy shit.
[quote=fuckmachine]oh his policy page says he supports universal healthcare and environmental issues that must mean they will become realities when he is president!!!!!! those things will never happen[/quote] Surprised you didn't say that "Bernie would go through with all of his promises without any form of compromise!!" in the same breath as that sentence.
Also from a european standpoint, being hyper-focused on the political record of 1 candidate while refusing to acknowledge any form of progressive evolution of said candidate's [i]party[/i] is just being willfully ignorant. Even when talking about Biden, he literally refused to support same-sex marriage during the 2008-election, which today, is one of the democratic party's policy-cornerstones.
What kind of LARPing world do you live in where you literally call a party that's actively enabling an authoritarian President-, and a party who's electorate becomes more socially democratic every election season, -the same thing. Holy shit.
> and a party who's electorate becomes more socially democratic every election season
the democratic party has soundly rejected bernie sanders two elections in a row, maybe the voters are moving further left but the party itself has shown that it will not tolerate anything outside of its narrow, center-right, neoliberal Overton window
> and a party who's electorate becomes more socially democratic every election season
the democratic party has soundly rejected bernie sanders two elections in a row, maybe the voters are moving further left but the party itself has shown that it will not tolerate anything outside of its narrow, center-right, neoliberal Overton window
Nathan> and a party who's electorate becomes more socially democratic every election season
the democratic party has soundly rejected bernie sanders two elections in a row, maybe the voters are moving further left but the party itself has shown that it will not tolerate anything outside of its narrow, center-right, neoliberal Overton window
you can acknowledge that an electorates social democratic base is growing while at the same time being aware that the majority of voting democrats are more moderate. Pretending that Bernie got the rug pulled from under his feet with his solid 30% majority is the funniest shit to hear. And don't get me wrong, I think Bernie would've been more beneficial in general because he'd probably push the democrats further left than anyone else, but I can still want Bernie to get the nomination while also acknowledging that the bigger part of the democratic electorate isn't nearly as progressive as the online political space makes it out to be.
[quote=Nathan]> and a party who's electorate becomes more socially democratic every election season
the democratic party has soundly rejected bernie sanders two elections in a row, maybe the voters are moving further left but the party itself has shown that it will not tolerate anything outside of its narrow, center-right, neoliberal Overton window[/quote] you can acknowledge that an electorates social democratic base is growing while at the same time being aware that the [i]majority[/i] of voting democrats are more moderate. Pretending that Bernie got the rug pulled from under his feet with his solid 30% majority is the funniest shit to hear. And don't get me wrong, I think Bernie would've been more beneficial in general because he'd probably push the democrats further left than anyone else, but I can still want Bernie to get the nomination while also acknowledging that the bigger part of the democratic electorate isn't nearly as progressive as the online political space makes it out to be.
i am voting for red i saw him vent in electrical
i am voting for red i saw him vent in electrical
Rebiteit'll take like 5 minutes
if you don't want to vote for either then spoil your ballot instead.
https://vote.gov/
It's interesting how most people who are calling everyone to vote tend to be supporting Biden. I think most of them are hoping for new voters to vote their way and kick Trump out of the white house, which is a valid point, but why not be honest and simply ask people to vote for your candidate? Why is it important to have a high percentage of participation regardless the outcome? Is it really desirable to pressure people who are uninterested or uninformed about voting to go and vote whoever the feel like? I think that will make elections an even bigger popularity contest than it already is, and will lead to more populist leaders like Trump. I think a better alternative would be to convince people who want change or want to be heard to vote, and let the rest do whatever.
Does it make sense? Am I missing something?
[quote=Rebite]it'll take like 5 minutes
if you don't want to vote for either then spoil your ballot instead.
https://vote.gov/[/quote]
It's interesting how most people who are calling everyone to vote tend to be supporting Biden. I think most of them are hoping for new voters to vote their way and kick Trump out of the white house, which is a valid point, but why not be honest and simply ask people to vote for your candidate? Why is it important to have a high percentage of participation regardless the outcome? Is it really desirable to pressure people who are uninterested or uninformed about voting to go and vote whoever the feel like? I think that will make elections an even bigger popularity contest than it already is, and will lead to more populist leaders like Trump. I think a better alternative would be to convince people [b]who want change or want to be heard[/b] to vote, and let the rest do whatever.
Does it make sense? Am I missing something?
TatoRebiteit'll take like 5 minutes
if you don't want to vote for either then spoil your ballot instead.
https://vote.gov/
It's interesting how most people who are calling everyone to vote tend to be supporting Biden. I think most of them are hoping for new voters to vote their way and kick Trump out of the white house, which is a valid point, but why not be honest and simply ask people to vote for your candidate? Why is it important to have a high percentage of participation regardless the outcome? Is it really desirable to pressure people who are uninterested or uninformed about voting to go and vote whoever the feel like? I think that will make elections an even bigger popularity contest than it already is, and will lead to more populist leaders like Trump. I think a better alternative would be to convince people who want change or want to be heard to vote, and let the rest do whatever.
Does it make sense? Am I missing something?
I think it has to do with the numbers game that a lot of current electoral politics in the US is based on. The Democratic Party has a lot more members than the Republican Party, but its voters tend to be much less enthusiastic and more likely to stay home than Republicans. It's a numbers game, and just getting the message out tends to help Democrats electorally far more than Republicans (also inversely this is why Republicans tend to push for things such as Voter ID and voter roll purges).
[quote=Tato][quote=Rebite]it'll take like 5 minutes
if you don't want to vote for either then spoil your ballot instead.
https://vote.gov/[/quote]
It's interesting how most people who are calling everyone to vote tend to be supporting Biden. I think most of them are hoping for new voters to vote their way and kick Trump out of the white house, which is a valid point, but why not be honest and simply ask people to vote for your candidate? Why is it important to have a high percentage of participation regardless the outcome? Is it really desirable to pressure people who are uninterested or uninformed about voting to go and vote whoever the feel like? I think that will make elections an even bigger popularity contest than it already is, and will lead to more populist leaders like Trump. I think a better alternative would be to convince people [b]who want change or want to be heard[/b] to vote, and let the rest do whatever.
Does it make sense? Am I missing something?[/quote]
I think it has to do with the numbers game that a lot of current electoral politics in the US is based on. The Democratic Party has a lot more members than the Republican Party, but its voters tend to be much less enthusiastic and more likely to stay home than Republicans. It's a numbers game, and just getting the message out tends to help Democrats electorally far more than Republicans (also inversely this is why Republicans tend to push for things such as Voter ID and voter roll purges).
fuckmachinewhole lotta stuff
If Biden wins, he has to appease the left wing of his party. Not a lot is going to change, and virtually nothing if the senate doesn't flip blue, but the fact he has to at least slightly listen to progressives and the tiny compromises he makes with them in congress if he wants to legislate is better than literally nothing under Trump. Cos you know how much political power the left has if Trump wins a second term? Jack fucking shit.
And I absolutely agree that the system is shit, and Biden is just another corporate shill who doesn't give a fuck about normal people. In the long term, the only way real progress will be made is by the American people taking a leaf out of the French book and forcing it to happen. I honestly doubt the American people will ever get what they want until their politicians start to hear the sharpening of guillotines. But that's irrelevant to this discussion as we are talking about voting. And the only way your vote can help is if it kicks Trump out of office. And unfortunately, because of the shitty system it is a two horse race, so there is really only one logical choice if you're going to bother voting at all.
I would advocate civil disobedience and a general strike regardless of who wins. But if I were going to vote I wouldn't waste it on a literal zero chance third party.
Anyway I'm not American so I'll leave you guys to your nightmare I guess.
[quote=fuckmachine]whole lotta stuff[/quote]
If Biden wins, he has to appease the left wing of his party. Not a lot is going to change, and virtually nothing if the senate doesn't flip blue, but the fact he has to at least slightly listen to progressives and the tiny compromises he makes with them in congress if he wants to legislate is better than literally nothing under Trump. Cos you know how much political power the left has if Trump wins a second term? Jack fucking shit.
And I absolutely agree that the system is shit, and Biden is just another corporate shill who doesn't give a fuck about normal people. In the long term, the only way real progress will be made is by the American people taking a leaf out of the French book and forcing it to happen. I honestly doubt the American people will ever get what they want until their politicians start to hear the sharpening of guillotines. But that's irrelevant to this discussion as we are talking about voting. And the only way your vote can help is if it kicks Trump out of office. And unfortunately, because of the shitty system it is a two horse race, so there is really only one logical choice if you're going to bother voting at all.
I would advocate civil disobedience and a general strike regardless of who wins. But if I were going to vote I wouldn't waste it on a literal zero chance third party.
Anyway I'm not American so I'll leave you guys to your nightmare I guess.
TatoRebiteit'll take like 5 minutes
if you don't want to vote for either then spoil your ballot instead.
https://vote.gov/
It's interesting how most people who are calling everyone to vote tend to be supporting Biden. I think most of them are hoping for new voters to vote their way and kick Trump out of the white house, which is a valid point, but why not be honest and simply ask people to vote for your candidate? Why is it important to have a high percentage of participation regardless the outcome? Is it really desirable to pressure people who are uninterested or uninformed about voting to go and vote whoever the feel like? I think that will make elections an even bigger popularity contest than it already is, and will lead to more populist leaders like Trump. I think a better alternative would be to convince people who want change or want to be heard to vote, and let the rest do whatever.
Does it make sense? Am I missing something?
I posted a link to register instead of telling people to vote for Biden because it was politer, less confrontational and I think it has a better chance of getting people to vote.
I didn't pressure anyone to do anything at all, it's post on a 10 year old video game forum. TBH i just posted it so I could feel like I was doing something.
Also I'm not going to get into a debate about how a democracy is supposed to work on a video game forum.
[quote=Tato][quote=Rebite]it'll take like 5 minutes
if you don't want to vote for either then spoil your ballot instead.
https://vote.gov/[/quote]
It's interesting how most people who are calling everyone to vote tend to be supporting Biden. I think most of them are hoping for new voters to vote their way and kick Trump out of the white house, which is a valid point, but why not be honest and simply ask people to vote for your candidate? Why is it important to have a high percentage of participation regardless the outcome? Is it really desirable to pressure people who are uninterested or uninformed about voting to go and vote whoever the feel like? I think that will make elections an even bigger popularity contest than it already is, and will lead to more populist leaders like Trump. I think a better alternative would be to convince people [b]who want change or want to be heard[/b] to vote, and let the rest do whatever.
Does it make sense? Am I missing something?[/quote]
I posted a link to register instead of telling people to vote for Biden because it was politer, less confrontational and I think it has a better chance of getting people to vote.
I didn't pressure anyone to do anything at all, it's post on a 10 year old video game forum. TBH i just posted it so I could feel like I was doing something.
Also I'm not going to get into a debate about how a democracy is supposed to work on a video game forum.
[img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/194167041685454848/761444280811388968/unknown.png[/img]
you guys are fuckin noobs lol
you guys are fuckin noobs lol
TatoRebiteit'll take like 5 minutes
if you don't want to vote for either then spoil your ballot instead.
https://vote.gov/
It's interesting how most people who are calling everyone to vote tend to be supporting Biden. I think most of them are hoping for new voters to vote their way and kick Trump out of the white house, which is a valid point, but why not be honest and simply ask people to vote for your candidate? Why is it important to have a high percentage of participation regardless the outcome? Is it really desirable to pressure people who are uninterested or uninformed about voting to go and vote whoever the feel like? I think that will make elections an even bigger popularity contest than it already is, and will lead to more populist leaders like Trump. I think a better alternative would be to convince people who want change or want to be heard to vote, and let the rest do whatever.
Does it make sense? Am I missing something?
I'm most likely going to be voting for Trump, but as someone who likes talking politics I can't pass up an opportunity to tell someone to vote, as long as they vote legally. I do not care who they vote for as long as they vote for who THEY want and not what someone else wants. Yes I would like everyone to do their research on the candidates and all that, but at the end of the day, all that really matters is that you participate in American politics because knowing what people think can help us grow as a country.
Edit: I would also like to say. You should not complain about the outcome of an election if you did not vote. I am tired of seeing people complain when they did not even vote (this applies to people that could actually vote in the election they were complaining about[I might have complained a bit if Hillary won, but I was not at the legal age to vote at that time so I would not have done a lot of complaining])
stephhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/194167041685454848/761444280811388968/unknown.png
First time i actually found something steph posted humorous in some way...
[quote=Tato][quote=Rebite]it'll take like 5 minutes
if you don't want to vote for either then spoil your ballot instead.
https://vote.gov/[/quote]
It's interesting how most people who are calling everyone to vote tend to be supporting Biden. I think most of them are hoping for new voters to vote their way and kick Trump out of the white house, which is a valid point, but why not be honest and simply ask people to vote for your candidate? Why is it important to have a high percentage of participation regardless the outcome? Is it really desirable to pressure people who are uninterested or uninformed about voting to go and vote whoever the feel like? I think that will make elections an even bigger popularity contest than it already is, and will lead to more populist leaders like Trump. I think a better alternative would be to convince people [b]who want change or want to be heard[/b] to vote, and let the rest do whatever.
Does it make sense? Am I missing something?[/quote]
I'm most likely going to be voting for Trump, but as someone who likes talking politics I can't pass up an opportunity to tell someone to vote, as long as they vote legally. I do not care who they vote for as long as they vote for who THEY want and not what someone else wants. Yes I would like everyone to do their research on the candidates and all that, but at the end of the day, all that really matters is that you participate in American politics because knowing what people think can help us grow as a country.
Edit: I would also like to say. You should not complain about the outcome of an election if you did not vote. I am tired of seeing people complain when they did not even vote (this applies to people that could actually vote in the election they were complaining about[I might have complained a bit if Hillary won, but I was not at the legal age to vote at that time so I would not have done a lot of complaining])
[quote=steph][img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/194167041685454848/761444280811388968/unknown.png[/img][/quote]
First time i actually found something steph posted humorous in some way...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1311892190680014849
[quote=Reero]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1311892190680014849[/quote]
heres how bernie can still win
they should have trumo vs biden run a cockfight on pcp and then the winner gets a protective cup and then its a fight to the death
they should have trumo vs biden run a cockfight on pcp and then the winner gets a protective cup and then its a fight to the death
bernies "healthcare plan" while good doesnt go into enough detail. americans dont get the amount of apparatus that goes into making a functioning healthcare policy from state funded gyms, subsidised pharmaceuticals, limits and stricter regulation on food (sugar, fat, etc) and a system which people can fund the system through taxes.
bernies "healthcare plan" while good doesnt go into enough detail. americans dont get the amount of apparatus that goes into making a functioning healthcare policy from state funded gyms, subsidised pharmaceuticals, limits and stricter regulation on food (sugar, fat, etc) and a system which people can fund the system through taxes.
Wayne Lambright 2020 - the future is Bright!
Wayne Lambright 2020 - the future is Bright!
plunkbernies "healthcare plan" while good doesnt go into enough detail. americans dont get the amount of apparatus that goes into making a functioning healthcare policy from state funded gyms, subsidised pharmaceuticals, limits and stricter regulation on food (sugar, fat, etc) and a system which people can fund the system through taxes.
bro there were multiple independent studies concluding that bernies medicare for all saves money (for the people, not the billionaires that is) simply by removing copays, deductibles, and price gouging. medicare is already used for everyone above the age of 65. its not like this is something completely new. it works very well, stop trying to talk around it
[quote=plunk]bernies "healthcare plan" while good doesnt go into enough detail. americans dont get the amount of apparatus that goes into making a functioning healthcare policy from state funded gyms, subsidised pharmaceuticals, limits and stricter regulation on food (sugar, fat, etc) and a system which people can fund the system through taxes.[/quote]
bro there were multiple independent studies concluding that bernies medicare for all saves money (for the people, not the billionaires that is) simply by removing copays, deductibles, and price gouging. medicare is already used for everyone above the age of 65. its not like this is something completely new. it works very well, stop trying to talk around it