That's great to hear and all, but are you still going to keep the broadcast exclusivity rule in regards to RGL streams? All it does is hurt the scene and force a potentially worse experience onto everyone if they want to see the match and no one playing in it is streaming.

i think maybe if youre sad about people not watching your broadcast then maybe it might be because your broadcast isnt good enough?
i dont really watch a lot of na but if youre really this insecure about some invite players pulling in a lot of viewers maybe its time to try and get them on your broadcast? or maybe just suck it up and enjoy the extra eyeballs on your league???
idk man rgl is fucking stupid lol

I've casted a lot of matches for RGL in the past few seasons (and one or two for tftv). I didn't do it out of any loyalty to any particular league, but rather because I enjoy casting, think I'm good at it, and because I enjoy putting out a good product and educating people about some of the nuances of tf2. I've known sigafoo for a LONG ass time, and I'm not one of these people clamoring for a mass exodus to a different league.

But this shit was just absolutely absurd, and I felt I had to use whatever 'privilege' (which is literally just access to the RGL official casters discord) to complain about it. In doing so, I was privy to exactly which RGL figures were behind this petty ban, and I decided to speak up. Unfortunately, the only person who really seemed willing to engage was mitch, who I'm told isn't really affiliated with RGL? Everyone else had no interest in justifying anything to me. Here's the full conversation plus some context:
https://i.imgur.com/zLprw8Z.png

The other reason that this talk with mitch is all I have is that, right after posting here, I had my caster role officially revoked on the discord and could no longer participate. DolphiN claimed it was because I hadn't casted in a couple months, but I still can't get over that timing. The DMs, for context:
https://i.imgur.com/hKIWte3.png

Well, if the shoe fits, I'll wear it. I've been trying to put my difference with the RGL admins aside for casting purposes, but I don't think I can do so anymore; I'm not gonna cast with RGL again until further notice. I don't mean for this to be too melodramatic, because I'm sure a lot of people couldn't give less of a fuck whether one random guy goes from casting 3 times a season to 0 times a season, but I still wanted to share my particular disappointment with the whole situation.

I still don't understand why, in such a small community already, every single different entity is so obsessed with carving out their own little fiefdom and enforcing their own petty little ruleset, rather than us having some goddamned solidarity for once.

"you haven't casted in a couple months the timing is a coincidence" - not-sly-at-all-trick-ass-bitch-dolphin

The timing on this one is 1000% suspicious lol. If they were thinking about cleaning up the discord for a while then the smart decision would be to delay doing this till later when the person you're gonna remove isn't bringing up issues in your discord.

What's with the "and thats why I messaged you" - doesn't change shit. Its like calling someone a stupid fucking idiot with a smiley face at the end to make it less harsh - still called someone a stupid fucking idiot.

Also, imagine your league owner coming into a post and actually getting a positive response from the post from the community for once and then just fucking it up by doing a dumb move lol.

Stupid fucking idiot :)

especially funny considering mitch's history with tflive

i dont see whats the harm in letting other people cast. as bowl said, him and i have been getting black balled from casting stvs in hl for years now. i dont really know too much about this since i just interview people but i just think that our community is too small to be dividing ourselves and being elitists based off the type of tf2 content we produce. we can all eat at the same table.

if u cast something and people flock to the other stream cuz its better. why are u getting mad? just do better, and people will start coming in over everyone else's.

100% agree with it

i can understand that some big orgs like ESL does it on tournaments being on site like Intel Extreme Masters (this is also a practice in our Insomnia or probably Copenhagen Games), because they have contract with advertisers so they're strict on it because they just want to serve the ads as money from it can cover organization costs and more, but our community is rather too small for doing things like this, banning people casting online games seems to be mindblowing here

Same time next month everybody?

New Thread: RGL Bad.
*cracks knuckles*

https://i.imgflip.com/46dbf3.png

How do you powertrip as an observer LMAO

I wanna know whose admin should be removed over skipping the "normal" ban process and making the league look somehow worse than it already does.

watch only the state approved streams or face the consequences for opposing the league................

wtf why would this be a rule, that is literally so pathetic

edit: y'all better make a new league

or just kick the powertripping r word with a stick up their arse

The fact that RGL is burning bridges with people they could've recruited, (and may even need in the future) shows me really how much they like shooting themselves in the foot. These guys better be fuckin scared if anyone else seriously considers making a solid league.

Guys we fucked up.

alright so I'm not affiliated with RGL whatsoever and I don't really know what's going on in their heads but I'm pretty sure the "stv overpopulation" is a big reason why this rule exists, for those who are wondering.

A couple seasons ago me and like virgil and um wanted to cast a match of some of our friends, and we found out later that apparently it was also gonna get streamed on TFTV (or something like that I don't really remember). It turned out that we filled up the stv, so the casters on the big stream couldn't get in, which delayed the cast. After they managed to contact us, we hopped out only for the STV to get sniped by some randos (idk who), so the other casters still couldn't get in and now didn't know who to contact to make space. As a result, I'm pretty sure the stream didn't actually start until the 2nd half of the match, after the teams ended up switching servers.

I'm pretty sure this was the main point of the whole casting coalition--so different casters didn't accidentally clog the stv for other streams, and if they did, they could be easily contacted. And I think some of the logic there is pretty valid.

Now like a bunch of other shitty grey-area RGL rules, they just leave room for punishments to be misapplied. That is, if every known stream/caster is in the stv already and there is no risk of people getting blocked out, then there really shouldn't be any sort of punishment administered beyond a slap on the wrist and a "let us know in advance next time in case some shit happens." This rule also helps push the whole RGL exclusivity casting bit, which I hope everyone at RGL knows is exactly as stupid as it sounds, and mistakes like this end up pushing that narrative.

tldr; stvs can have pretty small player capacities if u didn't know

this whole thing would've never happened if they added the mal cast to the list of "officials casting orgs" or whatever

afraid aim's stream does not meet the quality standards as per the Dolphin School of Film and Cinematography

RGL STOP BANNING INVITE PLAYERS CHALLENGE (GONE WRONG!?!?)

"sorry your stream with your friends in a 14 year old tiny grassroots esports scene doesn't meet our expectations for professionalism"

Sigafoo is so fucking delusional in his twitter profile he put "ex top tf2 player" bro u played fucking engineer in highlander

Theres so many things that noone wants in this league except for the people with power trips and it feels like admins pass judgement based off of how they feel about the situation than how it should be actually dealt with and that brings me to the questions of: Will the guy get punished for putting in that ban? Will you keep restricting stvs and player casts? Will the admins keep implementing things that one asked for? What about admins banning people over scrim logs? theyre player servers and not rgl servers, doesnt that mean that its a private platform? There are a lot of holes in this league that it is getting ruined. Its also mind blowing that these rules were looked at and approved in the first place. These problems have been here for a very long time and you hardly seem to be responding to them. You need to focus on keeping the players that are already playing feel happy and welcomed before trying to pull in new players. The only way for a restaurant to make its customers happy is for it to have good food, and in this case, the food is shit.

He was right about putting comedian in there though, because this whole thing is a joke.

Hello RGL Community . . .

I want to take a few minutes to talk to all of you about the Aim ban this past weekend. On Monday, we made the decision to take action against a player named Aim and two shoutcasters after the player shared his views on what’s happening in RGL not our official broadcast channel.

At RGL, our vision is “to bring the world together through epic entertainment.” And we have core values that apply here: Think Globally; Lead Responsibly; and importantly, Every Voice Matters, encouraging everybody to share their point of view. The actions that we took over the weekend are causing people to question if we are still committed to these values. We absolutely are and I will explain.

Our esports programs are an expression of our vision and our values. Esports exist to create opportunities for players from around the world, from different cultures, and from different backgrounds, to come together to compete and share their passion for gaming. It is extremely important to us to protect these channels and the purpose they serve: to bring the world together through epic entertainment, celebrate our players, and build diverse and inclusive communities.

As to how those values apply in this case:

Every Voice Matters, and we strongly encourage everyone in our community to share their viewpoints in the many places available to express themselves. However, the non-official broadcast needs to be about RGL and to be a place where all are welcome. In support of that, we want to keep the non-official channels focused on the game.

Second, what is the role of shoutcasters for these broadcasts?

We hire shoutcasters to amplify the excitement of the game. They elevate the watchability and help the esports viewing experience stay focused on the tournament and our amazing players.

Third, were our actions based on the content of the message?

Part of Thinking Globally, Leading Responsibly, and Every Voice Matters is recognizing that we have players and fans in almost every country in the world. Our goal is to help players connect in areas of commonality, like their passion for our games, and create a sense of shared community.

The specific views expressed by Aim were NOT a factor in the decision we made. I want to be clear: our relationships in TF2 had no influence on our decision.

We have these rules to keep the focus on the game and on the tournament to the benefit of a global audience, and that was the only consideration in the actions we took.

If this had been the opposing viewpoint delivered in the same divisive and deliberate way, we would have felt and acted the same.

One of our goals at RGL is to make sure that every player, everywhere in the world, regardless of political views, religious beliefs, race, gender, or any other consideration always feels safe and welcome both competing in and playing our games.

At RGL, we are always listening and finding ways to improve—it is part of our culture. Thank you for your patience with us as we continue to learn.

Sincerely,

Retards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Outp2U3zjb8

spending an hour writing my comedy magnum opus so i can get downfragged on tftv

i really do think it's about time RGL evaluated their head admins and began to see if they're competent enough to actually fulfill the roles they have been given. sigafoo's post is nice, but shit like this is happening on an almost consistent basis, and in my eyes, this is due to the fact that the head admins are either completely incompetent and unable to form unbiased rulings and opinions because their massive ego prevents them from being impartial and fair (makka), or are glorified yes men who agree with everything that is said, until somebody else says something else, in which case they agree with them in a never-ending cycle(exaflamer). people that have been in their positions for as long as they have should be quality checked by the community, and deemed if they're appropriate to be head admining the 6s, and hl, admin staff, because consistent shit like this is fucking over a game that is completely reliant on having stable support to survive this long.

we could go full bureaucratic cringe and have our league admins and representatives be elected by the community, instead of the top officials consisting of self-appointed c-jerk power-trippers acting on their own volition

just spitballing here