GeneralNickpajaroAnyone romancing about moving to UGC probably hasn't heard of all of the shady shit that UGC has done in it's past.
The important distinction to make here is that almost all of these issues happened years ago. No one from UGC today, or in the community at large would lie and say that UGC is flawless, but all of the largest administrative flaws have been ironed out to the best of our ability. The admins that once made those egregious rulings are no longer working for UGC, and any admin who was to make rulings like that would swiftly be removed from their position. 4/5 of the points you brought up happened under an entirely different set of admins who have been out of their position of authority for 3-5 years depending on who it was. And to add to the final point, our ban archives are meticulous, however in your case, at the time I was not a head admin and did not have access to the archives and had to rely on someone else to play middle-man. Regardless, I on behalf of UGC and its administration team, wholeheartedly apologize to you pajaro and I hope your inability to play TF2C didn't cause you any additional and uncalled-for stress.
No league is perfect, but UGC wants to listen to the community and we want to hear from everybody so that we can continue to improve the league experience for everyone. UGC has had issues in the past, no question, and I am sorry for all of that, but that was several years ago under an entirely different set of admins. It would be unfair to criticize new Presidents for the actions of the previous administration, and that exists in this situation as well. If there are any other major concerns or comments about our league that needs to be addressed, feel free to reach out to me or any other head admin. All we want is to show the community we have improved since the years past, and we are excited to prove it to everyone!
I find this response really cute seeing as, at least for the issues with sexual harassment and Karl, the admins were incredibly helpful and understanding - it was Fornaught, the owner of the league, who veto'd any of their decisions on the matter, and you can't "swiftly remove him" from his position. Kumori wanted him banned off the bat, and she was not the only admin at the time who had knowledge of what was going on & had that opinion. My report on Karl to RGL stressed that it was a long, drawn-out case where the coverup had caused the issue to span over months/years. I even listed the admins by name who had interacted with me about it at the time because I knew their opinions about it. It was an incredibly stressful and embarrassing point that almost led me to quit the game in its entirety, and the fact that this is getting spun like this disgusts me and pisses me off in more ways than I can count.
Whatever Fornaught might've told you on that matter seems to have been absolute bullshit with the buck passed off onto his volunteers - who, while FAR from perfect, had the compassion and understanding enough to give a fuck when high-profile players are sexually harassing others. I don't like RGL that much, but I HATE your league, your apologies are just passive aggressive jabs at spu and ignore any actual accountability that your league should've taken, and I will never fucking play there again. I tell others this on a regular basis as well. Fuck you, Nick. Learn more about your league and why people hate it.
[quote=GeneralNick][quote=pajaro]Anyone romancing about moving to UGC probably hasn't heard of all of the shady shit that UGC has done in it's past. [/quote]
The important distinction to make here is that almost all of these issues happened [i]years[/i] ago. No one from UGC today, or in the community at large would lie and say that UGC is flawless, but all of the largest administrative flaws have been ironed out to the best of our ability. The admins that once made those egregious rulings are no longer working for UGC, and any admin who was to make rulings like that would swiftly be removed from their position. 4/5 of the points you brought up happened under an entirely different set of admins who have been out of their position of authority for 3-5 years depending on who it was. And to add to the final point, our ban archives are meticulous, however in your case, at the time I was not a head admin and did not have access to the archives and had to rely on someone else to play middle-man. Regardless, I on behalf of UGC and its administration team, wholeheartedly apologize to you pajaro and I hope your inability to play TF2C didn't cause you any additional and uncalled-for stress.
No league is perfect, but UGC wants to listen to the community and we want to hear from everybody so that we can continue to improve the league experience for everyone. UGC has had issues in the past, no question, and I am sorry for all of that, but that was several years ago under an entirely different set of admins. It would be unfair to criticize new Presidents for the actions of the previous administration, and that exists in this situation as well. If there are any other major concerns or comments about our league that needs to be addressed, feel free to reach out to me or any other head admin. All we want is to show the community we have improved since the years past, and we are excited to prove it to everyone![/quote]
I find this response really cute seeing as, at least for the issues with sexual harassment and Karl, the admins were incredibly helpful and understanding - it was Fornaught, the owner of the league, who veto'd any of their decisions on the matter, and you can't "swiftly remove him" from his position. Kumori wanted him banned off the bat, and she was not the only admin at the time who had knowledge of what was going on & had that opinion. My report on Karl to RGL stressed that it was a long, drawn-out case where the coverup had caused the issue to span over months/years. I even listed the admins by name who had interacted with me about it at the time because I knew their opinions about it. It was an incredibly stressful and embarrassing point that almost led me to quit the game in its entirety, and the fact that this is getting spun like this disgusts me and pisses me off in more ways than I can count.
Whatever Fornaught might've told you on that matter seems to have been absolute bullshit with the buck passed off onto his volunteers - who, while FAR from perfect, had the compassion and understanding enough to give a fuck when high-profile players are sexually harassing others. I don't like RGL that much, but I HATE your league, your apologies are just passive aggressive jabs at spu and ignore any actual accountability that your league should've taken, and I will never fucking play there again. I tell others this on a regular basis as well. Fuck you, Nick. Learn more about your league and why people hate it.
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i love how all of these threads naturally evolve in the same way
1.) RGL bad
2.) euros: stop complain haha play new league!
3.) it's possible to make a new league but it would fracture the playerbase
4.) euros: go play ugc!
5.) UGC bad
7.) NACL rats (mostly tino): RGL bad, UGC bad, ppl won't switch leagues, we're boned!
i love how all of these threads naturally evolve in the same way
1.) RGL bad
2.) euros: stop complain haha play new league!
3.) it's possible to make a new league but it would fracture the playerbase
4.) euros: go play ugc!
5.) UGC bad
7.) NACL rats (mostly tino): RGL bad, UGC bad, ppl won't switch leagues, we're boned!
The only good things about ugc were the lack of entry payment, and the forums.
everything else was ass.
remember the season that had millstone, I do, that was giga ass.
The only good things about ugc were the lack of entry payment, and the forums.
everything else was ass.
remember the season that had millstone, I do, that was giga ass.
Wall I tell others this on a regular basis as well. Fuck you, Nick. Learn more about your league and why people hate it.
Like I said before, no league is perfect, and you're right some issues can never be rectified with apologies of any kind. That being said, under the current administration we have attempted to keep issues of this level at practically 0. It should be noted that Fornaught is a league owner, not a league administrator, although I can 100% understand the concern you raise in regards to previous events. I would hope that issues of the past wouldn't taint the reputation and hard work that the new set of admins have tried so hard to establish, however that is something that the admins are aware of and are working to prevent in the future. I know why people dislike UGC and myself plus the other 8 staff are committed to rectifying the issues of the past and laying the groundwork to prevent these issues from ever occurring again. It's clear what happened to you during your previous interactions with UGC was unfair and a poor example of proper admin work, and to that, I also apologize. Any league should pride itself on its ability to act fairly and swiftly. Like I mentioned before, UGC is and will always try to learn from our mistakes and improve for the future, so if you notice any issues or similarities between your situation in the past and the current system now, I would truly request you please reach out and let me know how I can fix things. I only want whats best for the community.
[quote=Wall] I tell others this on a regular basis as well. Fuck you, Nick. Learn more about your league and why people hate it.[/quote]
Like I said before, no league is perfect, and you're right some issues can never be rectified with apologies of any kind. That being said, under the current administration we have attempted to keep issues of this level at practically 0. It should be noted that Fornaught is a league owner, not a league administrator, although I can 100% understand the concern you raise in regards to previous events. I would hope that issues of the past wouldn't taint the reputation and hard work that the new set of admins have tried so hard to establish, however that is something that the admins are aware of and are working to prevent in the future. I know why people dislike UGC and myself plus the other 8 staff are committed to rectifying the issues of the past and laying the groundwork to prevent these issues from ever occurring again. It's clear what happened to you during your previous interactions with UGC was unfair and a poor example of proper admin work, and to that, I also apologize. Any league should pride itself on its ability to act fairly and swiftly. Like I mentioned before, UGC is and will always try to learn from our mistakes and improve for the future, so if you notice any issues or similarities between your situation in the past and the current system now, I would truly request you please reach out and let me know how I can fix things. I only want whats best for the community.
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I am appalled by this thread. Absolute pussy shit. Nobody has any interest in actually attempting to form any avenue of play that isnt RGL, but everybody wants to bitch and moan.
Ill put up 150 bucks right now for a 1 day cup. No entry fees, but people are welcome to donate to the prize pool. Ill provide servers, tourney infrastructure, ill steal an EU ruleset, ill make stvs public so anyone can cast the games, ill set hud_saytext_time to 0 so everyone can ignore mean words. So that people can see that it isnt hard to do this stuff, and you dont need to worry about having a fancy website for a 14 year old game that only a few thousand of us play. You just need minimal effort invested and a drive to play the game you (are supposed to) love.
I dont plan on doing this more than once, but i certainly have other ideas if anyone else wants to step up and organize something. Let me know if you want to help out with this one.
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I am appalled by this thread. Absolute pussy shit. Nobody has any interest in actually attempting to form any avenue of play that isnt RGL, but everybody wants to bitch and moan.
Ill put up 150 bucks right now for a 1 day cup. No entry fees, but people are welcome to donate to the prize pool. Ill provide servers, tourney infrastructure, ill steal an EU ruleset, ill make stvs public so anyone can cast the games, ill set hud_saytext_time to 0 so everyone can ignore mean words. So that people can see that it isnt hard to do this stuff, and you dont need to worry about having a fancy website for a 14 year old game that only a few thousand of us play. You just need minimal effort invested and a drive to play the game you (are supposed to) love.
I dont plan on doing this more than once, but i certainly have other ideas if anyone else wants to step up and organize something. Let me know if you want to help out with this one.
We're talking about kumori??
https://youtu.be/v0XeKtAym9E
We're talking about kumori??
[youtube]https://youtu.be/v0XeKtAym9E[/youtube]
GeneralNick I know why people dislike UGC and myself plus the other 8 staff are committed to rectifying the issues of the past and laying the groundwork to prevent these issues from ever occurring again.
I've been around forever and I don't think the issue is people "disliking UGC". It has to do with the image of your league in this community through all these years.
During the ESEA days, just saying UGC in a 6's related discussion was laughable and used as a joke or degrading comment. If ESEA was the major leagues, UGC wasn't even the minor league. That image of UGC has never changed and probably never will to be honest, its almost like UGC is a typecast actor.
I don't mean to be harsh or shit on the league but that's just the truth in how it is viewed. I actually admire UGC because they have stuck around for so damn long and given players another place to play this game. Its impressive even with that preconception.
[quote=GeneralNick] I know why people dislike UGC and myself plus the other 8 staff are committed to rectifying the issues of the past and laying the groundwork to prevent these issues from ever occurring again.[/quote]
I've been around forever and I don't think the issue is people "disliking UGC". It has to do with the image of your league in this community through all these years.
During the ESEA days, just saying UGC in a 6's related discussion was laughable and used as a joke or degrading comment. If ESEA was the major leagues, UGC wasn't even the minor league. That image of UGC has never changed and probably never will to be honest, its almost like UGC is a typecast actor.
I don't mean to be harsh or shit on the league but that's just the truth in how it is viewed. I actually admire UGC because they have stuck around for so damn long and given players another place to play this game. Its impressive even with that preconception.
i think something bad happens when yr a furry weeb thighhighs type person in like ohio or michigan
i think something bad happens when yr a furry weeb thighhighs type person in like ohio or michigan
BrockBlackOutJonhttps://i.imgur.com/sLubbPs.gif
Oh yes sure let me just play your league with 200+ping!
No, no. Wait. I’ll just move! Yea, I’ll fucking move to Europe for TF2.
I know this is sarcasm but its not the worst idea going to move to Europe.
[quote=Brock][quote=BlackOutJon][img]https://i.imgur.com/sLubbPs.gif[/img][/quote]
Oh yes sure let me just play your league with 200+ping!
No, no. Wait. I’ll just move! Yea, I’ll fucking move to Europe for TF2.[/quote]
I know this is sarcasm but its not the worst idea going to move to Europe.
BlackOutJonBrockBlackOutJonhttps://i.imgur.com/sLubbPs.gif
Oh yes sure let me just play your league with 200+ping!
No, no. Wait. I’ll just move! Yea, I’ll fucking move to Europe for TF2.
I know this is sarcasm but its not the worst idea going to move to Europe.
Oh of course, I would love to do that. I’ll be lucky if I can move to Canada for work in a few years and that’s roughly the best bet I’ll get for getting out of the states.
[quote=BlackOutJon][quote=Brock][quote=BlackOutJon][img]https://i.imgur.com/sLubbPs.gif[/img][/quote]
Oh yes sure let me just play your league with 200+ping!
No, no. Wait. I’ll just move! Yea, I’ll fucking move to Europe for TF2.[/quote]
I know this is sarcasm but its not the worst idea going to move to Europe.[/quote]
Oh of course, I would love to do that. I’ll be lucky if I can move to Canada for work in a few years and that’s roughly the best bet I’ll get for getting out of the states.
bearodactyl7.) NACL rats (mostly tino): RGL bad, UGC bad, ppl won't switch leagues, we're boned!
Excuse me, I am a strong independent poster who don't need no org.
[quote=bearodactyl]
7.) NACL rats (mostly tino): RGL bad, UGC bad, ppl won't switch leagues, we're boned![/quote]
Excuse me, I am a strong independent poster who don't need no org.
Micahlele
You want a fuckin nerd novel about how your league and this scene sucks ass? Sure. Let's do it,
[quote=Micahlele][/quote]
You want a fuckin nerd novel about how your league and this scene sucks ass? Sure. [url=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iBWKmIL3wK6ZWL6GPi555FaO6uVTu8SPZC3HxvafDcQ/]Let's do it,[/url]
stephMicahlele
You want a fuckin nerd novel about how your league and this scene sucks ass? Sure. Let's do it,
why do you care so much about other peoples opinion on the internet
[quote=steph][quote=Micahlele][/quote]
You want a fuckin nerd novel about how your league and this scene sucks ass? Sure. [url=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iBWKmIL3wK6ZWL6GPi555FaO6uVTu8SPZC3HxvafDcQ/]Let's do it,[/url][/quote]
why do you care so much about other peoples opinion on the internet
pajaroAnyone romancing about moving to UGC probably hasn't heard of all of the shady shit that UGC has done in it's past.
-Some players would be determined to be cheating by the AC team, and then Fornaught would step in and keep them (m4risa, stones) unbanned because it would look bad for the league if a high level player was banned for cheating.
-Sexual harassment wouldn't be banned if the player was a notable player (dK Karl)
-Admins would pick and choose which players to throw the book at - example, I was banned for a whole year for using the same profile picture as another player, while this didn't result in any ban whatsoever and slurs would regularly be dropped in every match without consequence.
-No admins or mods were ever available during match times because they would all either be playing a match, or if they weren't on a team, would all conveniently be offline at match time. I guess this one still kinda applies to RGL
-Oh, and don't forget about that time the highlander head admin unilaterally falsely banned shay for cheating so they could get a shiny 1st place silver highlander badge since they were on the other team despite the rest of the anti cheat team determining he wasn't cheating!
-Admins improperly log ban reasonings in ban archives. GeneralNick had me banned from TF2center because in their archive I was banned for cheating instead of "harassment" lmao
I don't agree with a lot of what RGL does. I think they try to expand what the league does at the cost of neglecting issues that need to be fixed in the league. Providing actual, properly functioning servers for the cost that 6s players pay per season is sorely needed. I don't know why 6s teams have to pay on a per-player basis, when highlander teams raised hell about this system very early on and within two seasons we were given per-team payments and didn't have to pay for ringers. I still think the actions of a lot of the RGL admins are justifiably criticized for being stupid and unilateral at times, but at the very least RGL cares about trying to improve how the actions of their admins look. I'd rather that than UGC, where there was no oversight at all of a shitty head admin, or when there was, it'd be to "save face" from the league banning a cheater or predator. Tbh I'd rather RGL just be a free league than the seemingly incessant drama that comes from payments and wondering where services RGL has promised are. RGL pugs coming soon™!
rgl bad, ugc bad. but at least some of the rgl admins want to improve what they have.
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I promised I wouldn't give this that much attention anymore but damn it was a perfect moment to point it out.
[quote=pajaro]Anyone romancing about moving to UGC probably hasn't heard of all of the shady shit that UGC has done in it's past.
-Some players would be determined to be cheating by the AC team, and then Fornaught would step in and keep them (m4risa, stones) unbanned because it would look bad for the league if a high level player was banned for cheating.
-Sexual harassment wouldn't be banned if the player was a notable player (dK Karl)
-Admins would pick and choose which players to throw the book at - example, I was banned for a whole year for using the same profile picture as another player, while [url=https://www.ugcleague.com/matchpage_tf2h.cfm?mid=52954]this[/url] didn't result in any ban whatsoever and slurs would regularly be dropped in every match without consequence.
-No admins or mods were ever available during match times because they would all either be playing a match, or if they weren't on a team, would all conveniently be offline at match time. I guess this one still kinda applies to RGL
-Oh, and don't forget about that time the highlander head admin unilaterally falsely banned shay for cheating so they could get a shiny 1st place silver highlander badge since they were on the other team despite the rest of the anti cheat team determining he wasn't cheating!
-Admins improperly log ban reasonings in ban archives. GeneralNick had me banned from TF2center because in their archive I was banned for cheating instead of "harassment" lmao
I don't agree with a lot of what RGL does. I think they try to expand what the league does at the cost of neglecting issues that need to be fixed in the league. Providing actual, properly functioning servers for the cost that 6s players pay per season is sorely needed. I don't know why 6s teams have to pay on a per-player basis, when highlander teams raised hell about this system very early on and within two seasons we were given per-team payments and didn't have to pay for ringers. I still think the actions of a lot of the RGL admins are justifiably criticized for being stupid and unilateral at times, but at the very least RGL cares about trying to improve how the actions of their admins look. I'd rather that than UGC, where there was no oversight at all of a shitty head admin, or when there was, it'd be to "save face" from the league banning a cheater or predator. Tbh I'd rather RGL just be a free league than the seemingly incessant drama that comes from payments and wondering where services RGL has promised are. RGL pugs coming soon™!
rgl bad, ugc bad. but at least some of the rgl admins want to improve what they have.[/quote]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/uw2u840.png[/img]
I promised I wouldn't give this that much attention anymore but damn it was a perfect moment to point it out.
gunna say this thread should be locked by now //// no one is giving solutions, everyone is just pointing at each other. I apologize for starting the first point to begin with.
gunna say this thread should be locked by now //// no one is giving solutions, everyone is just pointing at each other. I apologize for starting the first point to begin with.
Brockgunna say this thread should be locked by now //// no one is giving solutions, everyone is just pointing at each other. I apologize for starting the first point to begin with.
See you all in a month.
[quote=Brock]gunna say this thread should be locked by now //// no one is giving solutions, everyone is just pointing at each other. I apologize for starting the first point to begin with.[/quote]
See you all in a month.
MakemakestephMicahlele
You want a fuckin nerd novel about how your league and this scene sucks ass? Sure. Let's do it,
why do you care so much about other peoples opinion on the internet
person gets called out
person responds to callout because the callout post rightfully upset them
"why do u care so much about someones opinion"
???
[quote=Makemake][quote=steph][quote=Micahlele][/quote]
You want a fuckin nerd novel about how your league and this scene sucks ass? Sure. [url=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iBWKmIL3wK6ZWL6GPi555FaO6uVTu8SPZC3HxvafDcQ/]Let's do it,[/url][/quote]
why do you care so much about other peoples opinion on the internet[/quote]
person gets called out
person responds to callout because the callout post rightfully upset them
"why do u care so much about someones opinion"
???
dishsoapMakemakestephMicahlele
You want a fuckin nerd novel about how your league and this scene sucks ass? Sure. Let's do it,
why do you care so much about other peoples opinion on the internet
person gets called out
person responds to call out because the callout post rightfully upset them
"why do u care so much about someones opinion"
???
It's not a response, it's just a dumbass caps lock angry rambling.
[quote=dishsoap][quote=Makemake][quote=steph][quote=Micahlele][/quote]
You want a fuckin nerd novel about how your league and this scene sucks ass? Sure. [url=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iBWKmIL3wK6ZWL6GPi555FaO6uVTu8SPZC3HxvafDcQ/]Let's do it,[/url][/quote]
why do you care so much about other peoples opinion on the internet[/quote]
person gets called out
person responds to call out because the callout post rightfully upset them
"why do u care so much about someones opinion"
???[/quote]
It's not a response, it's just a dumbass caps lock angry rambling.
Doom1dishsoapMakemakestephMicahlele
You want a fuckin nerd novel about how your league and this scene sucks ass? Sure. Let's do it,
why do you care so much about other peoples opinion on the internet
person gets called out
person responds to call out because the callout post rightfully upset them
"why do u care so much about someones opinion"
???
It's not even a response, it's just a dumbass caps lock angry rambling.
literally a 5 second skim and i saw no caps lock ramblings. even if there was one, it still doesnt mean that the other guys 2 cent comment isnt retarded as hell
[quote=Doom1][quote=dishsoap][quote=Makemake][quote=steph][quote=Micahlele][/quote]
You want a fuckin nerd novel about how your league and this scene sucks ass? Sure. [url=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iBWKmIL3wK6ZWL6GPi555FaO6uVTu8SPZC3HxvafDcQ/]Let's do it,[/url][/quote]
why do you care so much about other peoples opinion on the internet[/quote]
person gets called out
person responds to call out because the callout post rightfully upset them
"why do u care so much about someones opinion"
???[/quote]
It's not even a response, it's just a dumbass caps lock angry rambling.[/quote]
literally a 5 second skim and i saw no caps lock ramblings. even if there was one, it still doesnt mean that the other guys 2 cent comment isnt retarded as hell
dishsoapDoom1dishsoapMakemakestephMicahlele
You want a fuckin nerd novel about how your league and this scene sucks ass? Sure. Let's do it,
why do you care so much about other peoples opinion on the internet
person gets called out
person responds to call out because the callout post rightfully upset them
"why do u care so much about someones opinion"
???
It's not even a response, it's just a dumbass caps lock angry rambling.
literally a 5 second skim and i saw no caps lock ramblings. even if there was one, it still doesnt mean that the other guys 2 cent comment isnt retarded as hell
he is just projecting his shit onto you because he is a engie main, and I doubt he read any of that.
[quote=dishsoap][quote=Doom1][quote=dishsoap][quote=Makemake][quote=steph][quote=Micahlele][/quote]
You want a fuckin nerd novel about how your league and this scene sucks ass? Sure. [url=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iBWKmIL3wK6ZWL6GPi555FaO6uVTu8SPZC3HxvafDcQ/]Let's do it,[/url][/quote]
why do you care so much about other peoples opinion on the internet[/quote]
person gets called out
person responds to call out because the callout post rightfully upset them
"why do u care so much about someones opinion"
???[/quote]
It's not even a response, it's just a dumbass caps lock angry rambling.[/quote]
literally a 5 second skim and i saw no caps lock ramblings. even if there was one, it still doesnt mean that the other guys 2 cent comment isnt retarded as hell[/quote]
he is just projecting his shit onto you because he is a engie main, and I doubt he read any of that.
damn thats a lot of words i dont care about
damn thats a lot of words i dont care about
steph spent so long typing cringe on here that she finally got under 100hrs/2weeks in tf2
steph spent so long typing cringe on here that she finally got under 100hrs/2weeks in tf2
stephMicahlele
You want a fuckin nerd novel about how your league and this scene sucks ass? Sure. Let's do it,
you banned someone from pugs for saying yessir, please stop fucking speaking.
also remember when you tried to get my scout banned for cheating off a single log because he made fun of you, I do, the term sub-brick would be perfectly accurate to describe your intelligence.
there were multiple attempts outside of staff, of people gathering the things you've done in an attempt to finally have the admins dump you, myself included. Not a single staff member barring shaggy was as atrocious as you.
people do not dislike you because you're correct or your some truth seeker, or giving the real perspective on what's happened, people dislike you because you're a dipshit who has done some real shady and flat out incompetent shit while in a position of power within the community. become a better person, cause it isn't that hard.
[quote=steph][quote=Micahlele][/quote]
You want a fuckin nerd novel about how your league and this scene sucks ass? Sure. [url=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iBWKmIL3wK6ZWL6GPi555FaO6uVTu8SPZC3HxvafDcQ/]Let's do it,[/url][/quote]
you banned someone from pugs for saying yessir, please stop fucking speaking.
also remember when you tried to get my scout banned for cheating off a single log because he made fun of you, I do, the term sub-brick would be perfectly accurate to describe your intelligence.
there were multiple attempts outside of staff, of people gathering the things you've done in an attempt to finally have the admins dump you, myself included. Not a single staff member barring shaggy was as atrocious as you.
people do not dislike you because you're correct or your some truth seeker, or giving the real perspective on what's happened, people dislike you because you're a dipshit who has done some real shady and flat out incompetent shit while in a position of power within the community. become a better person, cause it isn't that hard.
stephMicahlele
You want a fuckin nerd novel about how your league and this scene sucks ass? Sure. Let's do it,
can you please give us all an early christmas present and quit the game and never come back
[quote=steph][quote=Micahlele][/quote]
You want a fuckin nerd novel about how your league and this scene sucks ass? Sure. [url=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iBWKmIL3wK6ZWL6GPi555FaO6uVTu8SPZC3HxvafDcQ/]Let's do it,[/url][/quote]
can you please give us all an early christmas present and quit the game and never come back
how did this many weird power complex people all find each other to fight on tftv
how did this many weird power complex people all find each other to fight on tftv
dbkhow did this many weird power complex people all find each other to fight on tftv
The Rot of RGL Reflects the Rot Within
[quote=dbk]how did this many weird power complex people all find each other to fight on tftv[/quote]
The Rot of RGL Reflects the Rot Within
Hot take: Maybe all leagues in NA turn out to be shit not because americans are incapable of choosing better leagues, but because americans are the problem.
Hot take: Maybe all leagues in NA turn out to be shit not because americans are incapable of choosing better leagues, but because americans are the problem.
hot take fuck u setsul and if u come for my diet coke u know im carrying
hot take fuck u setsul and if u come for my diet coke u know im carrying