why am I like the most downfragged mf on this site I got a got dam hit squad on my ass every time I make a post. It took me a while to make that image, its nowhere near perfect but cmon

hi tenaciousg glad to hear from you again

last time I pugged with grant he acted like I was an inanimate object, and instead talked to our teammates telling them how to command me around. I thought it was weird so I watched the vod to see if he had me muted or something but nope. how dare a non-invite level player joins your dying 6am pugs that nobody else wants to play.

yeah this vid is genuinely disgusting, grant needs to get punched in the mouth
literally the only guy on the planet that doesnt play this dying(any day nowTM) game purely as a hobby, you would think he would realize how precarious his position is
charis:"hey b4nny i think you really just whine instead of offering anything productive"
grant: "ITS NOT T RUE ITS NOT TRUE HAHAHA WHAT"
has he ever watched his own vods? does he know how terrible this looks to other human beings? does he just think this is helpful to a competitive environment, and entertaining as a content creator? would he act like this in a full time job?

hes our anime protagonist and we're living in his world

hi dude I'm playing gundam evolution and grounded yeee

Daycare getting wild

i wonder what hes gonna do when tf2 is fully dead, coheed cover band? dock worker?

I disagree I think the majority of people who play with b4nny purely do it because they know they have a high chance of winning and most of them have very thick skin when it comes to this sort of harassment (habib and clockwork come to mind - CW even spoke about this in the b4nny documentary)

It does make you think though if people at big companies like Valve or potential sponsors have ever come across his stream as "the icon of TF2" and been completely put off from ever getting involved with the scene if this is the representation it has.

On a separate note have people ever considered this is why b4nny holds onto this game so tightly and never does anything else? His whole persona is built on an ego and quite frankly a delusion that he is untouchable whilst playing this game because of his accomplishments. He has been playing this game for the majority of his life (25k hours) and has gone pretty much unchallenged in the NA scene for the past 10 years. If he went to OW and spoke like this to people, no-one would've never played with him.

At LANs he has got increasingly worse to approach and talk to (it wasn't good to begin with) and at I69 people had to experience him screaming at meyy for around 20 minutes whilst the rest of the team sat there in silence despite having won the game and about 20 people standing behind them.

Part of me actually feels sorry for him. His social life is 100% tied with playing this game and his aspiration to win every single game he plays. You can see that in the video that Charis is desperately trying to explain that the way he speaks to people is just not ok regardless of his will to win and ensure everyone improves/plays correctly (albeit in 2am pugs). I am sure in b4nny's head he is trying to help people but unfortunately that couldn't be further from what is happening. It will eventually get to the point that even these mix groups will refuse to play with him and he will be exiled to pubs where the only people he talks to is his ignorant chat that only furthers his social and egotistical tendencies.

if you guys don't wanna play with banny then don't add up for 8 hours straight playing with him every time he adds lmao

very silly thread

Never been a fan of b4nny, but I feel weird seeing that argument whenever this thread gets made every 6 months. It has proven to be the other way around in observable cases.
A good example is ImperialHAL. igl for TSM in Apex Legends. Biggest streamer in his scene. There's entire rage compilations of his matches. I'd even say HAL is worse than b4nny in some regards, but his behavior never truly influenced his career as long as he wins.
This is all besides the point though. Don't interpret this as a defence of b4nny's or HAL's behaviour. To me it just feels like filler within the entire argument because it historically hasn't held true

It diverts from the real point:
b4nny is not enjoyable to be around
leave that to the people willing to be on a team with him
dont let him have access to pug sites where people are uncomfortable with him being there
thinking about sponsors, b4nny's social life, etc are overthinking
we play for fun. And being around b4nny isn't fun

also please dont do shit like this

I think you are really breaching into armchair psychologist territory here. Having watched some of the VOD I agree his behaviour in pugs is problematic and, frankly, sad, but that's about the only conclusion you can reasonably draw from the footage. If that makes playing with him unenjoyable then you can either not play with him or try to reason with him, although the latter has proven to be nearly impossible. All of this makes sense and seems productive moving forward. Simply change or stop your interactions with him if you care.

What doesn't seem productive, however, are long discussions about the mental state/life of a person you do not know personally. That is not me defending b4nny's behaviour, but reading all these efforts to psychoanalyse b4nny is painful. At best, it feels like a misguided attempt to help and at worst it comes across as you building up your own life by judging someone else's. Just because you are a member of the same community and you share a digital space does not give you license to voyeuristically theorise about someone else's mental state or whether their life is rewarding or not. Please stick to talking about his behaviour in-game, anything else is unproductive and really won't make a difference it just makes you sound pretentious. (And yes I am aware that this post probably sounds fucking pretentious on my end as well dw)

some of you never had to carry your low open friends in pugs to defend your championship reputation and it really shows

oh yeah I'm a massive hypocrite I realised that when typing it out, but at least I don't try to pscyhoanalyse your behaviour jeven I just think you're a racist cunt

B4nny is a good leader in some regards and some people seem to enjoy playing with him but it's true that he seems to never take responsibility for anything that goes wrong and he spends his time whining at others and is unnecessarily upset in irrelevant games.

To be honest, from the streams i have seen people let him go unchecked for too long. They let him say his shit without standing up to him and this is the result. More good players should call him out in games. Maybe they have but I haven't seen it much. Doesn't help that he has an army of sycophants in chat though.

this guy is so worn out

dont be afraid to stand up to b4nny in pugs if hes being a douche to your team. doesnt matter how many times you’ve won if nobody wants to pug with you

im not white so u cant call me racist, european
checkmate

There's too much mental illness in my mental illness pugs at mental illness o'clock.

Later, after Process pug, he agreed that he shouldn't press push-to-talk when he's frustrated, and people were ok with such solution

b4nny is the fucking king you are all shit

The experience of feeling overjoyed to be on the same pug champ team as B4nny to actively dodging if he was added (on the tiny off chance I’d get picked) was a wild ride

ya lol just dont play lol when we literally have one central pug server and the owner refuses to do anything about the guy lol, nobody is adding up for 8 hrs straight, niggas literally have no choice.

this shit is so tone deaf as if ur not in the damn pug group yourself and more often than not pugs only really get going at midnight or something and you get 1 pug before b4nny and his yes men join and u have one of two choices if you dont get fatkidded, play and have a chance of being on a team with the nigga or stop playing since there are no alternative pug groups or services or anything

talking about a silly thread when this is a goofy ass comment in itself

Its like he doesn't realize he is the only person making a living off of this game, period. Everyone around him plays as a hobby, a hobby they take very seriously but a hobby none the less. In a T1 esport flaming like this is at least comprehensible, but in TF2? This is something TF2 players choose to do with their time. They choose to play those pugs, knowing there will NEVER be a payoff other than accomplishing an arbitrary goal.

There are plenty of TF2 players trying to make it to the top of the game, but all of them are also actively weighing their decision to pursue that against the enjoyment the pursuit itself brings them. B4nny lost that context a long time ago. Honestly a lot of people in this community have lost sight of that.There are countless hobbies out there, and obviously you won't choose "winning in TF2" as your hobby if you're surrounded by people that make you feel bad. (In some cases folks choose to abandon that hobby when they realize they are making others feel bad. Part of why I don't play anymore.)

Some day Grant will wake up and realize that the pool of people who are willing to be degraded and disrespected to get to the top has dried up. In 5 years if the game is still going, FROYO will HAVE to be filled with people who enjoy being there. There is not an infinite supply of people with low enough self respect to subject themselves to this behavior.

tying your self worth to winning in the video game is not wise (learned from experience)

jeven has been banned from tftv, here are his final words -

Dear Team Fortress 2 Community, this is a message by jeven (from israel), it has been an honour serving the community and enriching the pug, forums and most of all, the lives of all those who were touched by my story. i was born in a stable in nazareth in palestine (what is now israel), and i was one of 4 goats i mean children. me and my siblings were all tf2 players whilst competing in olympic cheerleading and training to be a mascot to the new york yankees (youre jelous i know). after discovering etf2l i became an alcoholic and my wife left me. now that the chains are broken and i am free from tf2 with a ban from europe's premier league and from these forums, i will dedicate my life to spreading my seed across the globe as the great Ghengis Khan did before me. Goodbye until i meet ur mother.

old man forget where he was

I had a pug group where I personally invited you to join every time I announced for people to add up and you denied it 70% of the time to play PugHub. The group also had strict fat kid rules where I made it so you only got fatkidded once a day and you couldn't get fatkidded again-- but you still often picked PugHub over them.

I'm going to guess you denied it because it was mostly Main with some Advanced players, and you wanted to play with mostly Advanced+top level players, and that's fine, you can choose to play with higher level players. But a lot of Advanced want to play with Invite players, and Invite plays with b4nny.

I'm not even in PugHub, and I'm betting that he's at least 65% of the reason why pugs fill up so frequently at night. You can't just ban him without the trickling effect of, "Now less Invite players join, which causes less Advanced players to join, which means the group needs to pull in Main players just to fill up" and we go right back to the situation of you not wanting to join those pugs, either.

what lol youre so close to understanding it but it's not that everyone wants to play with banny its just that most people wanna play the best pugs they can and since he's the bestest tf2 player or whatever he's always going to be in the best pugs if he's playing.

you cant be mad indecency doesnt wanna drop down to ur main level pug group where bad players cant even get fatkidded when he adds up to pugchamp very clearly to play demo against the best people he can