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Since there are 10 teams schedules are harder for some teams than others. Here's a list of who i think has the toughest/easiest schedules. Starting with the toughest.
1. Root plus 6
2. Mad Men
3. tri hards
4. Solace
5. Vector
6. Top Guns
7. R5
8. HRG
9. Mixup
10.AG
Each team plays 7 teams twice, and 2 teams once
Interesting fact, HRG and Mixup only play each other once :(
Since there are 10 teams schedules are harder for some teams than others. Here's a list of who i think has the toughest/easiest schedules. Starting with the toughest.
1. Root plus 6
2. Mad Men
3. tri hards
4. Solace
5. Vector
6. Top Guns
7. R5
8. HRG
9. Mixup
10.AG
Each team plays 7 teams twice, and 2 teams once
Interesting fact, HRG and Mixup only play each other once :(
1. Root plus 6
2. Mad Men
3. tri hards
4. Solace
5. Vector
6. Top Guns
7. R5
8. HRG
9. Mixup
10.AG
Each team plays 7 teams twice, and 2 teams once
Interesting fact, HRG and Mixup only play each other once :(
ninjanickSince there are 10 teams schedules are harder for some teams than others. Here's a list of who i think has the toughest/easiest schedules. Starting with the toughest.
1. Root plus 6
2. Mad Men
3. tri hards
4. Solace
5. Vector
6. Top Guns
7. R5
8. HRG
9. Mixup
10.AG
Each team plays 7 teams twice, and 2 teams once
Interesting fact, HRG and Mixup only play each other once :(
This is why the move to 10 teams was confusing to me, sure it is cool to have more teams in invite but why not just increase it to 9 so each team plays each other twice. With 10 teams, now the deciding factor for lan able teams like Mad Men and Top Guns could be that Mad Men only play Vector once while Top Guns only have to play Mix^ once.
Of course I am still excited for the season, I just hope that when the lan teams are decided that it is based off merit and not by chance.
[quote=ninjanick]Since there are 10 teams schedules are harder for some teams than others. Here's a list of who i think has the toughest/easiest schedules. Starting with the toughest.
1. Root plus 6
2. Mad Men
3. tri hards
4. Solace
5. Vector
6. Top Guns
7. R5
8. HRG
9. Mixup
10.AG
Each team plays 7 teams twice, and 2 teams once
Interesting fact, HRG and Mixup only play each other once :([/quote]
This is why the move to 10 teams was confusing to me, sure it is cool to have more teams in invite but why not just increase it to 9 so each team plays each other twice. With 10 teams, now the deciding factor for lan able teams like Mad Men and Top Guns could be that Mad Men only play Vector once while Top Guns only have to play Mix^ once.
Of course I am still excited for the season, I just hope that when the lan teams are decided that it is based off merit and not by chance.
1. Root plus 6
2. Mad Men
3. tri hards
4. Solace
5. Vector
6. Top Guns
7. R5
8. HRG
9. Mixup
10.AG
Each team plays 7 teams twice, and 2 teams once
Interesting fact, HRG and Mixup only play each other once :([/quote]
This is why the move to 10 teams was confusing to me, sure it is cool to have more teams in invite but why not just increase it to 9 so each team plays each other twice. With 10 teams, now the deciding factor for lan able teams like Mad Men and Top Guns could be that Mad Men only play Vector once while Top Guns only have to play Mix^ once.
Of course I am still excited for the season, I just hope that when the lan teams are decided that it is based off merit and not by chance.
HRG and Mix^ on process. Ain't that just a kick in the pants.
HRG and Mix^ on process. Ain't that just a kick in the pants.
Gen_CavemanThis is why the move to 10 teams was confusing to me, sure it is cool to have more teams in invite but why not just increase it to 9 so each team plays each other twice. With 10 teams, now the deciding factor for lan able teams like Mad Men and Top Guns could be that Mad Men only play Vector once while Top Guns only have to play Mix^ once.
I kinda like it as it stands now, this way there is some benefit to making LAN the previous season, since Top Guns played LAN and Mad Men were in IM. Obviously it's on the Mad Men to prove themselves by playing Mixup first and last, so a win in either match would be bigger than TG picking up a win against Vector.
[quote=Gen_Caveman]
This is why the move to 10 teams was confusing to me, sure it is cool to have more teams in invite but why not just increase it to 9 so each team plays each other twice. With 10 teams, now the deciding factor for lan able teams like Mad Men and Top Guns could be that Mad Men only play Vector once while Top Guns only have to play Mix^ once.[/quote]
I kinda like it as it stands now, this way there is some benefit to making LAN the previous season, since Top Guns played LAN and Mad Men were in IM. Obviously it's on the Mad Men to prove themselves by playing Mixup first and last, so a win in either match would be bigger than TG picking up a win against Vector.
This is why the move to 10 teams was confusing to me, sure it is cool to have more teams in invite but why not just increase it to 9 so each team plays each other twice. With 10 teams, now the deciding factor for lan able teams like Mad Men and Top Guns could be that Mad Men only play Vector once while Top Guns only have to play Mix^ once.[/quote]
I kinda like it as it stands now, this way there is some benefit to making LAN the previous season, since Top Guns played LAN and Mad Men were in IM. Obviously it's on the Mad Men to prove themselves by playing Mixup first and last, so a win in either match would be bigger than TG picking up a win against Vector.
LKincheloeGen_CavemanThis is why the move to 10 teams was confusing to me, sure it is cool to have more teams in invite but why not just increase it to 9 so each team plays each other twice. With 10 teams, now the deciding factor for lan able teams like Mad Men and Top Guns could be that Mad Men only play Vector once while Top Guns only have to play Mix^ once.
I kinda like it as it stands now, this way there is some benefit to making LAN the previous season, since Top Guns played LAN and Mad Men were in IM. Obviously it's on the Mad Men to prove themselves by playing Mixup first and last, so a win in either match would be bigger than TG picking up a win against Vector.
i don't think thats how who plays who was determined, it was probably just random
[quote=LKincheloe][quote=Gen_Caveman]
This is why the move to 10 teams was confusing to me, sure it is cool to have more teams in invite but why not just increase it to 9 so each team plays each other twice. With 10 teams, now the deciding factor for lan able teams like Mad Men and Top Guns could be that Mad Men only play Vector once while Top Guns only have to play Mix^ once.[/quote]
I kinda like it as it stands now, this way there is some benefit to making LAN the previous season, since Top Guns played LAN and Mad Men were in IM. Obviously it's on the Mad Men to prove themselves by playing Mixup first and last, so a win in either match would be bigger than TG picking up a win against Vector.[/quote]
i don't think thats how who plays who was determined, it was probably just random
This is why the move to 10 teams was confusing to me, sure it is cool to have more teams in invite but why not just increase it to 9 so each team plays each other twice. With 10 teams, now the deciding factor for lan able teams like Mad Men and Top Guns could be that Mad Men only play Vector once while Top Guns only have to play Mix^ once.[/quote]
I kinda like it as it stands now, this way there is some benefit to making LAN the previous season, since Top Guns played LAN and Mad Men were in IM. Obviously it's on the Mad Men to prove themselves by playing Mixup first and last, so a win in either match would be bigger than TG picking up a win against Vector.[/quote]
i don't think thats how who plays who was determined, it was probably just random
I still don't understand why there aren't nine teams.
I still don't understand why there aren't nine teams.
TheFragileI still don't understand why there aren't nine teams.
because 7 8 9
[quote=TheFragile]I still don't understand why there aren't nine teams.[/quote]
because 7 8 9
because 7 8 9
LKincheloeI kinda like it as it stands now, this way there is some benefit to making LAN the previous season, since Top Guns played LAN and Mad Men were in IM.
I can see the the merit in it if that was how the schedule was decided but I am pretty sure it is just random. The main problem with your sentiment is that the exact opposite can happen next season with the IM team having an easier season than the team that went to the previous lan.
It isn't that ESEA is under a time crunch like a MLG tournament over a weekend (Where having a hard bracket is more forgivable), there are months to make this round robin style schedule to be as fair as possible and I just don't see why they allow this random factor in.
[quote=LKincheloe]I kinda like it as it stands now, this way there is some benefit to making LAN the previous season, since Top Guns played LAN and Mad Men were in IM.[/quote]
I can see the the merit in it if that was how the schedule was decided but I am pretty sure it is just random. The main problem with your sentiment is that the exact opposite can happen next season with the IM team having an easier season than the team that went to the previous lan.
It isn't that ESEA is under a time crunch like a MLG tournament over a weekend (Where having a hard bracket is more forgivable), there are months to make this round robin style schedule to be as fair as possible and I just don't see why they allow this random factor in.
I can see the the merit in it if that was how the schedule was decided but I am pretty sure it is just random. The main problem with your sentiment is that the exact opposite can happen next season with the IM team having an easier season than the team that went to the previous lan.
It isn't that ESEA is under a time crunch like a MLG tournament over a weekend (Where having a hard bracket is more forgivable), there are months to make this round robin style schedule to be as fair as possible and I just don't see why they allow this random factor in.
Gen_CavemanIt isn't that ESEA is under a time crunch like a MLG tournament over a weekend (Where having a hard bracket is more forgivable), there are months to make this round robin style schedule to be as fair as possible and I just don't see why they allow this random factor in.
There are obvious flaws with a merit system, considering that most teams change their rosters heavily between seasons. Making LAN with a "roster" doesn't mean anything, and trying to compare brand new teams together doesn't factor in how well they play on LAN or how rusty they are at the start of the season.
With these flaws in mind, there really isn't a good way to compare team X to Y, and having it done not randomly would require a ton of speculation that doesn't really hold any value.
For example, it wouldn't make any sense to give Mad Men a harder schedule compared to Mixup just because Mixup made LAN, since their roster is drastically different from their S13 lan roster.
[quote=Gen_Caveman]It isn't that ESEA is under a time crunch like a MLG tournament over a weekend (Where having a hard bracket is more forgivable), there are months to make this round robin style schedule to be as fair as possible and I just don't see why they allow this random factor in.[/quote]
There are obvious flaws with a merit system, considering that most teams change their rosters heavily between seasons. Making LAN with a "roster" doesn't mean anything, and trying to compare brand new teams together doesn't factor in how well they play on LAN or how rusty they are at the start of the season.
With these flaws in mind, there really isn't a good way to compare team X to Y, and having it done not randomly would require a ton of speculation that doesn't really hold any value.
For example, it wouldn't make any sense to give Mad Men a harder schedule compared to Mixup just because Mixup made LAN, since their roster is drastically different from their S13 lan roster.
There are obvious flaws with a merit system, considering that most teams change their rosters heavily between seasons. Making LAN with a "roster" doesn't mean anything, and trying to compare brand new teams together doesn't factor in how well they play on LAN or how rusty they are at the start of the season.
With these flaws in mind, there really isn't a good way to compare team X to Y, and having it done not randomly would require a ton of speculation that doesn't really hold any value.
For example, it wouldn't make any sense to give Mad Men a harder schedule compared to Mixup just because Mixup made LAN, since their roster is drastically different from their S13 lan roster.
lanskyThere are obvious flaws with a merit system, considering that most teams change their rosters heavily between seasons. Making LAN with a "roster" doesn't mean anything, and trying to compare brand new teams together doesn't factor in how well they play on LAN or how rusty they are at the start of the season.
When I say merit, it is more to reference to being able to understand the decision and not a suggestion for a merit based system. I agree that it would be a shit system but I would at least understand the decision (Which I don't here). Or maybe you meant to reply to LKincheloe.
What I am saying is that the current system adds a random element to who goes to lan which I do not want and don't understand why it is there.
[quote=lansky]There are obvious flaws with a merit system, considering that most teams change their rosters heavily between seasons. Making LAN with a "roster" doesn't mean anything, and trying to compare brand new teams together doesn't factor in how well they play on LAN or how rusty they are at the start of the season.[/quote]
When I say merit, it is more to reference to being able to understand the decision and not a suggestion for a merit based system. I agree that it would be a shit system but I would at least understand the decision (Which I don't here). Or maybe you meant to reply to LKincheloe.
What I am saying is that the current system adds a random element to who goes to lan which I do not want and don't understand why it is there.
When I say merit, it is more to reference to being able to understand the decision and not a suggestion for a merit based system. I agree that it would be a shit system but I would at least understand the decision (Which I don't here). Or maybe you meant to reply to LKincheloe.
What I am saying is that the current system adds a random element to who goes to lan which I do not want and don't understand why it is there.
TheFragileI still don't understand why there aren't nine teams.
I've always pushed for a 9 team invite, I've just never gotten any traction with it. Unfortunately they prefer even numbers.
[quote=TheFragile]I still don't understand why there aren't nine teams.[/quote]
I've always pushed for a 9 team invite, I've just never gotten any traction with it. Unfortunately they prefer even numbers.
I've always pushed for a 9 team invite, I've just never gotten any traction with it. Unfortunately they prefer even numbers.
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