kiri
(i'd still argue that there is a baseline amount of talent you need to have—or learn to deal without—to compete in low open in the first place, but i probably hang around pubs too much)
literally anybody can compete at a low open level if they just put the effort in. coming from somebody who is naturally horrible at video games.
[quote=kiri]
(i'd still argue that there is a baseline amount of talent you need to have—or learn to deal without—to compete in low open in the first place, but i probably hang around pubs too much)[/quote]
literally anybody can compete at a low open level if they just put the effort in. coming from somebody who is naturally horrible at video games.
kiriRuwinkirinegativity
nerd-essay
that's fair enough. i guess if people do feel tf2 rewards the effort to try to improve, more power to them.
(i'd still argue that there is a baseline amount of talent you need to have—or learn to deal without—to compete in low open in the first place, but i probably hang around pubs too much)
even if there is no "big reward" for being good at tf2, the skills you learn in it very easily transfer over to other games. and while currently there arent any really big shooter titles, there will be in the future.
[quote=kiri][quote=Ruwin][quote=kiri]negativity[/quote]
nerd-essay[/quote]
that's fair enough. i guess if people do feel tf2 rewards the effort to try to improve, more power to them.
(i'd still argue that there is a baseline amount of talent you need to have—or learn to deal without—to compete in low open in the first place, but i probably hang around pubs too much)[/quote]
even if there is no "big reward" for being good at tf2, the skills you learn in it very easily transfer over to other games. and while currently there arent any really big shooter titles, there will be in the future.
Idk man, winning a ranked tf2 game sounds pretty rewarding to me. I also don't think there will be any shooter in the next couple generations to contest tf2 for me. If by reward you just mean money; I think winnign any amount of cash by being good at tf2 is pretty dope. It's not like anyone is gonna starve without tf2 money.
Idk man, winning a ranked tf2 game sounds pretty rewarding to me. I also don't think there will be any shooter in the next couple generations to contest tf2 for me. If by reward you just mean money; I think winnign any amount of cash by being good at tf2 is pretty dope. It's not like anyone is gonna starve without tf2 money.
the301stspartanIdk man, winning a ranked tf2 game sounds pretty rewarding to me. I also don't think there will be any shooter in the next couple generations to contest tf2 for me. If by reward you just mean money; I think winnign any amount of cash by being good at tf2 is pretty dope. It's not like anyone is gonna starve without tf2 money.
#BELIEVEINREBORN
[quote=the301stspartan]Idk man, winning a ranked tf2 game sounds pretty rewarding to me. I also don't think there will be any shooter in the next couple generations to contest tf2 for me. If by reward you just mean money; I think winnign any amount of cash by being good at tf2 is pretty dope. It's not like anyone is gonna starve without tf2 money.[/quote]
#BELIEVEINREBORN
kiriif you are naturally talented—have a fast reaction time, good hand-eye coordination, good vision, lateral thinking skills, patience—and have good hardware, you can eventually learn to have good aim. if not, the extreme amount of effort required to become good at tf2 is simply not worth it. tf2 is not that rewarding. play for fun and watch invite matches or something.
if you ever are in a situation where you have to ask "why am i bad?", you're never going to be good. To become good you'd have to be capable of analysing your situation and answering that question on your own.
(you'll also notice that people who make threads on tf.tv asking "how to get better?" never seem to end up in invite/prem, weird huh?)
This is the dumbest thing I've ever read in a long time. I guess nobody that isn't a prodigal genius when it comes to a specific activity or topic probably shouldn't try to improve, because nobody will ever get better at something that they're bad at the first time round.
[quote=kiri]if you are naturally talented—have a fast reaction time, good hand-eye coordination, good vision, lateral thinking skills, patience—and have good hardware, you can eventually learn to have good aim. if not, the extreme amount of effort required to become good at tf2 is simply not worth it. tf2 is not that rewarding. play for fun and watch invite matches or something.
if you ever are in a situation where you have to ask "why am i bad?", you're never going to be good. To become good you'd have to be capable of analysing your situation and answering that question on your own.
(you'll also notice that people who make threads on tf.tv asking "how to get better?" never seem to end up in invite/prem, weird huh?)[/quote] This is the dumbest thing I've ever read in a long time. I guess nobody that isn't a prodigal genius when it comes to a specific activity or topic probably shouldn't try to improve, because [i]nobody[/i] will ever get better at something that they're bad at the first time round.
Besides practicing in game, make sure you are good out of game too. I'm a scout main myself, but I used to have really bad days just due to the fact I was relating IRL and TF2. If something frustrates you outside of game, you will play like you are frustrated and you have to make sure to catch that, and improve upon it.
Another thing about aim is your equipment. Having a good mousepad that is relative to your sensitivty is huge, but what's even more huge is a good monitor. The higher Hz in a monitor, the better. What it will do is it will decrease the motion blur and be more responsive during fights, making it easier to land shots
I recently got a 144hz Asus VG248QE, and I have been landing much more meat since than. Besides that, just have fun while you play the game. You won't improve in a game, if you don't enjoy it.
Besides practicing in game, make sure you are good out of game too. I'm a scout main myself, but I used to have really bad days just due to the fact I was relating IRL and TF2. If something frustrates you outside of game, you will play like you are frustrated and you have to make sure to catch that, and improve upon it.
Another thing about aim is your equipment. Having a good mousepad that is relative to your sensitivty is huge, but what's even more huge is a good monitor. The higher Hz in a monitor, the better. What it will do is it will decrease the motion blur and be more responsive during fights, making it easier to land shots
I recently got a 144hz Asus VG248QE, and I have been landing much more meat since than. Besides that, just have fun while you play the game. You won't improve in a game, if you don't enjoy it.
And if all fails.
you could just try to click on people.
And if all fails.
you could just try to click on people.
if i can play in invite, anyone can. i dont think i have ever met someone with less natural talent than myself
if i can play in invite, anyone can. i dont think i have ever met someone with less natural talent than myself
shruggerif i can play in invite, anyone can. i dont think i have ever met someone with less natural talent than myself
http://puu.sh/36cQx/c4c7706902.jpg
[quote=shrugger]if i can play in invite, anyone can. i dont think i have ever met someone with less natural talent than myself[/quote]
[img]http://puu.sh/36cQx/c4c7706902.jpg[/img]
kirinot cool stuff that -fragd
Kiri, according to steam you have only played 720 hours of tf2. You also have only played 7.2 hours in the past two weeks which is very little. Most people that aren't already good at another FPS game don't get very good until about 1000 hours of playtime from what I've noticed. I don't think you're in a very good position to tell people that practice won't get you anywhere if you don't have talent, when you don't seem to have done much practicing.
Tf2 was the first fps game I ever really got into. When I first started I was really REALLY REALLLLYYY bad. I would go 1:10 in pubs as heavy. That's a bit of an exaggeration, but I was really bad. Now after putting a lot of time into practicing. Now when i go play in pubs I get called a hacker every so often when I play sniper. That feels pretty good to me 8)
[quote=kiri]not cool stuff that -fragd[/quote]
Kiri, according to steam you have only played 720 hours of tf2. You also have only played 7.2 hours in the past two weeks which is very little. Most people that aren't already good at another FPS game don't get very good until about 1000 hours of playtime from what I've noticed. I don't think you're in a very good position to tell people that practice won't get you anywhere if you don't have talent, when you don't seem to have done much practicing.
Tf2 was the first fps game I ever really got into. When I first started I was really REALLY REALLLLYYY bad. I would go 1:10 in pubs as heavy. That's a bit of an exaggeration, but I was really bad. Now after putting a lot of time into practicing. Now when i go play in pubs I get called a hacker every so often when I play sniper. That feels pretty good to me 8)
just pwactice.
also soap dm, it helps.
just pwactice.
also soap dm, it helps.
capnfapnkirinot cool stuff that -fragd
Kiri, according to steam you have only played 720 hours of tf2. You also have only played 7.2 hours in the past two weeks which is very little. Most people that aren't already good at another FPS game don't get very good until about 1000 hours of playtime from what I've noticed. I don't think you're in a very good position to tell people that practice won't get you anywhere if you don't have talent, when you don't seem to have done much practicing.
Tf2 was the first fps game I ever really got into. When I first started I was really REALLY REALLLLYYY bad. I would go 1:10 in pubs as heavy. That's a bit of an exaggeration, but I was really bad. Now after putting a lot of time into practicing. Now when i go play in pubs I get called a hacker every so often when I play sniper. That feels pretty good to me 8)
i've seen people practice a lot and not improve much. i've seen people who rarely ever practice and are still really good. my conclusion from this is that the role of natural talent is underestimated. i mean, maybe i'm wrong and the reason people practice a lot without improving is because they're playing on a trackpad with 700 ping whereas the people who never practice and are still really good had 5000 hours in team fortress classic.
as for me, i don't see a reason to play a lot of tf2. i don't find it that fun to spend hours in dm servers practicing. (i spent most of the 200 hours between soldier/scout/demo in dm and mge, but didn't really enjoy it.) i'm not going to recommend it to other people for its own sake. maybe if you have friends in the community and you enjoy playing with them, it's worth it, but i don't.
[quote=capnfapn][quote=kiri]not cool stuff that -fragd[/quote]
Kiri, according to steam you have only played 720 hours of tf2. You also have only played 7.2 hours in the past two weeks which is very little. Most people that aren't already good at another FPS game don't get very good until about 1000 hours of playtime from what I've noticed. I don't think you're in a very good position to tell people that practice won't get you anywhere if you don't have talent, when you don't seem to have done much practicing.
Tf2 was the first fps game I ever really got into. When I first started I was really REALLY REALLLLYYY bad. I would go 1:10 in pubs as heavy. That's a bit of an exaggeration, but I was really bad. Now after putting a lot of time into practicing. Now when i go play in pubs I get called a hacker every so often when I play sniper. That feels pretty good to me 8)[/quote]
i've seen people practice a lot and not improve much. i've seen people who rarely ever practice and are still really good. my conclusion from this is that the role of natural talent is underestimated. i mean, maybe i'm wrong and the reason people practice a lot without improving is because they're playing on a trackpad with 700 ping whereas the people who never practice and are still really good had 5000 hours in team fortress classic.
as for me, i don't see a reason to play a lot of tf2. i don't find it that fun to spend hours in dm servers practicing. (i spent most of the 200 hours between soldier/scout/demo in dm and mge, but didn't really enjoy it.) i'm not going to recommend it to other people for its own sake. maybe if you have friends in the community and you enjoy playing with them, it's worth it, but i don't.
kiriwat
so let me reiterate.
someone who is not innately good is telling people who aspire to be good to quit a game he doesn't like. is that right?
[quote=kiri]wat[/quote]
so let me reiterate.
someone who is not innately good is telling people who aspire to be good to quit a game he doesn't like. is that right?
kiricapnfapnkirinot cool stuff that -fragd
Kiri, according to steam you have only played 720 hours of tf2. You also have only played 7.2 hours in the past two weeks which is very little. Most people that aren't already good at another FPS game don't get very good until about 1000 hours of playtime from what I've noticed. I don't think you're in a very good position to tell people that practice won't get you anywhere if you don't have talent, when you don't seem to have done much practicing.
Tf2 was the first fps game I ever really got into. When I first started I was really REALLY REALLLLYYY bad. I would go 1:10 in pubs as heavy. That's a bit of an exaggeration, but I was really bad. Now after putting a lot of time into practicing. Now when i go play in pubs I get called a hacker every so often when I play sniper. That feels pretty good to me 8)
i've seen people practice a lot and not improve much. i've seen people who rarely ever practice and are still really good. my conclusion from this is that the role of natural talent is underestimated. i mean, maybe i'm wrong and the reason people practice a lot without improving is because they're playing on a trackpad with 700 ping whereas the people who never practice and are still really good had 5000 hours in team fortress classic.
as for me, i don't see a reason to play a lot of tf2. i don't find it that fun to spend hours in dm servers practicing. (i spent most of the 200 hours between soldier/scout/demo in dm and mge, but didn't really enjoy it.) i'm not going to recommend it to other people for its own sake. maybe if you have friends in the community and you enjoy playing with them, it's worth it, but i don't.
Like seriously, why do you post here, it sounds like you don't really like comp tf2 at all
[quote=kiri][quote=capnfapn][quote=kiri]not cool stuff that -fragd[/quote]
Kiri, according to steam you have only played 720 hours of tf2. You also have only played 7.2 hours in the past two weeks which is very little. Most people that aren't already good at another FPS game don't get very good until about 1000 hours of playtime from what I've noticed. I don't think you're in a very good position to tell people that practice won't get you anywhere if you don't have talent, when you don't seem to have done much practicing.
Tf2 was the first fps game I ever really got into. When I first started I was really REALLY REALLLLYYY bad. I would go 1:10 in pubs as heavy. That's a bit of an exaggeration, but I was really bad. Now after putting a lot of time into practicing. Now when i go play in pubs I get called a hacker every so often when I play sniper. That feels pretty good to me 8)[/quote]
i've seen people practice a lot and not improve much. i've seen people who rarely ever practice and are still really good. my conclusion from this is that the role of natural talent is underestimated. i mean, maybe i'm wrong and the reason people practice a lot without improving is because they're playing on a trackpad with 700 ping whereas the people who never practice and are still really good had 5000 hours in team fortress classic.
as for me, i don't see a reason to play a lot of tf2. i don't find it that fun to spend hours in dm servers practicing. (i spent most of the 200 hours between soldier/scout/demo in dm and mge, but didn't really enjoy it.) i'm not going to recommend it to other people for its own sake. maybe if you have friends in the community and you enjoy playing with them, it's worth it, but i don't.[/quote]
Like seriously, why do you post here, it sounds like you don't really like comp tf2 at all
KhakiLike seriously, why do you post here
...
good question actually
[quote=Khaki]
Like seriously, why do you post here[/quote]
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good question actually
I feel like my hardware is really limiting me as far as improvement goes. I'm still decent I guess, but I don't think I'm getting better (considering how much I actually practice) because I can't even keep constant 50 fps during fights (with maxframes). I have a good mouse+pad which helps, but I feel like I'm just waiting until I can build a decent computer before I can compete with those who have 120hz monitors and get 500 fps constant.
Maybe I'm just indolent and I am using this as an excuse.
I feel like my hardware is really limiting me as far as improvement goes. I'm still decent I guess, but I don't think I'm getting better (considering how much I actually practice) because I can't even keep constant 50 fps during fights (with maxframes). I have a good mouse+pad which helps, but I feel like I'm just waiting until I can build a decent computer before I can compete with those who have 120hz monitors and get 500 fps constant.
Maybe I'm just indolent and I am using this as an excuse.
I might sound like an asshole but... how do you manage to get 50 fps with maxframes? Max allowed me to run it at 60 on an old labtop. I can understand if you are saving for a PC that's actually good, but if you have like <100 spare bucks I'm sure that would already be enough to get you up to constant 60.
@topic I can confirm that 144hz helped me insanely because whenever I miss a shot now I actually can "confirm" that I missed it and I see where I shot and how I missed. It allows you to actually see where you went wrong. Improvement guaranteed, worth saving for.
I might sound like an asshole but... how do you manage to get 50 fps with maxframes? Max allowed me to run it at 60 on an old labtop. I can understand if you are saving for a PC that's actually good, but if you have like <100 spare bucks I'm sure that would already be enough to get you up to constant 60.
@topic I can confirm that 144hz helped me insanely because whenever I miss a shot now I actually can "confirm" that I missed it and I see where I shot and how I missed. It allows you to actually see where you went wrong. Improvement guaranteed, worth saving for.
kiri your 14 year old ego is seeping through your post
this weird disconnect you have between accepting hard work as a way to get better and blindly claiming "IF YOU DONT HAVE NATURAL TALENT THERES NO POINT IN PLAYING THE GAME COMPETITIVELY BECAUSE YOULL NEVER BE THE BEST" kinda saddens me
maybe im just lucky because im at a point where i still get to learn something new about the game every time i play it, but i dont really understand why you bother playing videogames if you cant seem to have fun in them
i play dota all the time and am dogshit, but most of the time the fun/thrill of the game come from learning and improving- not beating people who have been playing the game for 10 years
i honestly think the biggest mistake anybody makes not just in videogames but in life is looking at their accomplishments/progress in terms of others
you are not them, you will not move at the same rate as they will, if youre enjoying yourself dont feel bad because james meatshotlord happened to be at lan in two seasons while youre still trying to win a match in open playoffs after your third
kiri your 14 year old ego is seeping through your post
this weird disconnect you have between accepting hard work as a way to get better and blindly claiming "IF YOU DONT HAVE NATURAL TALENT THERES NO POINT IN PLAYING THE GAME COMPETITIVELY BECAUSE YOULL NEVER BE THE BEST" kinda saddens me
maybe im just lucky because im at a point where i still get to learn something new about the game every time i play it, but i dont really understand why you bother playing videogames if you cant seem to have fun in them
i play dota all the time and am dogshit, but most of the time the fun/thrill of the game come from learning and improving- not beating people who have been playing the game for 10 years
i honestly think the biggest mistake anybody makes not just in videogames but in life is looking at their accomplishments/progress in terms of others
you are not them, you will not move at the same rate as they will, if youre enjoying yourself dont feel bad because james meatshotlord happened to be at lan in two seasons while youre still trying to win a match in open playoffs after your third
TerraI feel like my hardware is really limiting me as far as improvement goes. I'm still decent I guess, but I don't think I'm getting better (considering how much I actually practice) because I can't even keep constant 50 fps during fights (with maxframes). I have a good mouse+pad which helps, but I feel like I'm just waiting until I can build a decent computer before I can compete with those who have 120hz monitors and get 500 fps constant.
Maybe I'm just indolent and I am using this as an excuse.
story of my life
although sometimes people like mike and zbryan motivate me
If it's possible to be the best scout in intermediate with 60hz, anything is possible
[quote=Terra]I feel like my hardware is really limiting me as far as improvement goes. I'm still decent I guess, but I don't think I'm getting better (considering how much I actually practice) because I can't even keep constant 50 fps during fights (with maxframes). I have a good mouse+pad which helps, but I feel like I'm just waiting until I can build a decent computer before I can compete with those who have 120hz monitors and get 500 fps constant.
Maybe I'm just indolent and I am using this as an excuse.[/quote]
story of my life
although sometimes people like mike and zbryan motivate me
If it's possible to be the best scout in intermediate with 60hz, anything is possible
the301stspartanI might sound like an asshole but... how do you manage to get 50 fps with maxframes? Max allowed me to run it at 60 on an old labtop. I can understand if you are saving for a PC that's actually good, but if you have like <100 spare bucks I'm sure that would already be enough to get you up to constant 60.
@topic I can confirm that 144hz helped me insanely because whenever I miss a shot now I actually can "confirm" that I missed it and I see where I shot and how I missed. It allows you to actually see where you went wrong. Improvement guaranteed, worth saving for.
I'm on a laptop. During mids on some maps my fps will drop below 50 and stay there. When I'm just sitting still on a map and looking at a wall or something I will approach my 120 fps cap. But in SOAP DM.... that's a different story.
http://puu.sh/2Pu2O.png
[quote=the301stspartan]I might sound like an asshole but... how do you manage to get 50 fps with maxframes? Max allowed me to run it at 60 on an old labtop. I can understand if you are saving for a PC that's actually good, but if you have like <100 spare bucks I'm sure that would already be enough to get you up to constant 60.
@topic I can confirm that 144hz helped me insanely because whenever I miss a shot now I actually can "confirm" that I missed it and I see where I shot and how I missed. It allows you to actually see where you went wrong. Improvement guaranteed, worth saving for.[/quote]
I'm on a laptop. During mids on some maps my fps will drop below 50 and stay there. When I'm just sitting still on a map and looking at a wall or something I will approach my 120 fps cap. But in SOAP DM.... that's a different story.
[img]http://puu.sh/2Pu2O.png[/img]
Terrasad story
I know your pain
I'm lucky if I exceed 30 fps anywhere that isn't the main menu
[quote=Terra]sad story[/quote]
I know your pain
I'm lucky if I exceed 30 fps anywhere that isn't the main menu
Oh, it's a labtop with onboard graphics. Well, good luck with getting a PC (you should start a build thread here on tf.tv, people love these)
Oh, it's a labtop with onboard graphics. Well, good luck with getting a PC (you should start a build thread here on tf.tv, people love these)
capnfapnkirinot cool stuff that -fragd
Kiri, according to steam you have only played 720 hours of tf2. You also have only played 7.2 hours in the past two weeks which is very little. Most people that aren't already good at another FPS game don't get very good until about 1000 hours of playtime from what I've noticed. I don't think you're in a very good position to tell people that practice won't get you anywhere if you don't have talent, when you don't seem to have done much practicing.
Tf2 was the first fps game I ever really got into. When I first started I was really REALLY REALLLLYYY bad. I would go 1:10 in pubs as heavy. That's a bit of an exaggeration, but I was really bad. Now after putting a lot of time into practicing. Now when i go play in pubs I get called a hacker every so often when I play sniper. That feels pretty good to me 8)
i was that dude hammering at his sentry and calling people hackers for headshotting me till i hit like 1000 hours :P
[quote=capnfapn][quote=kiri]not cool stuff that -fragd[/quote]
Kiri, according to steam you have only played 720 hours of tf2. You also have only played 7.2 hours in the past two weeks which is very little. Most people that aren't already good at another FPS game don't get very good until about 1000 hours of playtime from what I've noticed. I don't think you're in a very good position to tell people that practice won't get you anywhere if you don't have talent, when you don't seem to have done much practicing.
Tf2 was the first fps game I ever really got into. When I first started I was really REALLY REALLLLYYY bad. I would go 1:10 in pubs as heavy. That's a bit of an exaggeration, but I was really bad. Now after putting a lot of time into practicing. Now when i go play in pubs I get called a hacker every so often when I play sniper. That feels pretty good to me 8)[/quote]
i was that dude hammering at his sentry and calling people hackers for headshotting me till i hit like 1000 hours :P
It's all about having fun and a lot of practice, but don't spend the whole day playing and then leave for a week, be constant/regular, a few hours a day are just enough.
Get the most comfortable sensitivity for your main class and stay with it.
It's all about having fun and a lot of practice, but don't spend the whole day playing and then leave for a week, be constant/regular, a few hours a day are just enough.
Get the most comfortable sensitivity for your main class and stay with it.
Having everything work for you in game is great, but what's happening out of game works wonders also. It's a bit of a segway, but making sure you're not having extended sessions of playing the game, and some regular exercise can go a long way. I myself (after being unfit since senior high) started on the path of basic fitness, and I've been feeling great.
Not only that, as people have mentioned - getting a stable framerate is important as well. Good internet connection is nice, too. 120hz isn't as necessary as people are putting it out to be, but once you use it, you really won't look back. As I said earlier, try not to play too much. Have a break and read a book or something - you don't want to get burnt out. Just like anything you do, you also want to be in a positive state of mind when playing. If you're sick and not feeling the best, it's probably a good idea you don't play that scrim today, no matter how badly you want to.
Good luck, and hopefully you improve the areas of your game that you want to.
Great posts, ruwin.
Having everything work for you in game is great, but what's happening out of game works wonders also. It's a bit of a segway, but making sure you're not having extended sessions of playing the game, and some regular exercise can go a long way. I myself (after being unfit since senior high) started on the path of basic fitness, and I've been feeling great.
Not only that, as people have mentioned - getting a stable framerate is important as well. Good internet connection is nice, too. 120hz isn't as necessary as people are putting it out to be, but once you use it, you really won't look back. As I said earlier, try not to play too much. Have a break and read a book or something - you don't want to get burnt out. Just like anything you do, you also want to be in a positive state of mind when playing. If you're sick and not feeling the best, it's probably a good idea you don't play that scrim today, no matter how badly you want to.
Good luck, and hopefully you improve the areas of your game that you want to.
Great posts, ruwin.
Dunno if that's a serious post, but I'll bite.
Just simple stuff. Jogs/running and basic calisthenics. Not eating junk food all the time works wonders, also. Stay hydrated!
Dunno if that's a serious post, but I'll bite.
Just simple stuff. Jogs/running and basic calisthenics. Not eating junk food all the time works wonders, also. Stay hydrated!