nerkulatmonerkulNext year, no org can get exclusive stv rights. Missing games is totally unacceptable. Y'all need to get over your egos and do what's best for the community.
Do you have a source for this?
Ruwin said it, plus the fact that nobody is streaming except VTV. Plus, tf.tv not planning coverage suggests they already knew.
Remind me, weren't TF.TV crew and staff invited and are actually casting and working alongside VTV for this LAN? Oh yes that's right, they are. So why this shit about VTV sabotaging the STVs?
This TF.TV vs. VTV shit is just polarising the community and throwing out baseless accusations and rumours just perpetuates it! Both you and Ruwin need to find out the real reasons before spouting your shit as fact.
EDIT:
Please use alerts for score updates in the other games please, would be fantastic.
Tell Skully to take a deep breath to focus so he's not tripping over his words so much.
No more Pyrion Flax or whoever. He may be a huge DOTA 2 community member or something but when watching Football I don't want to hear Peter Alliss commentating just because he knows Golf.
Other than that I would like to say thank you to all the VTV and the TF.TV staff to give us the hours and hours of free great coverage via their hard work.
[quote=nerkul][quote=atmo][quote=nerkul]Next year, no org can get exclusive stv rights. Missing games is totally unacceptable. Y'all need to get over your egos and do what's best for the community.[/quote]
Do you have a source for this?[/quote]
Ruwin said it, plus the fact that nobody is streaming except VTV. Plus, tf.tv not planning coverage suggests they already knew.[/quote]
Remind me, weren't TF.TV crew and staff invited and are actually casting and working alongside VTV for this LAN? Oh yes that's right, they are. So why this shit about VTV sabotaging the STVs?
This TF.TV vs. VTV shit is just polarising the community and throwing out baseless accusations and rumours just perpetuates it! Both you and Ruwin need to find out the real reasons before spouting your shit as fact.
EDIT:
Please use alerts for score updates in the other games please, would be fantastic.
Tell Skully to take a deep breath to focus so he's not tripping over his words so much.
No more Pyrion Flax or whoever. He may be a huge DOTA 2 community member or something but when watching Football I don't want to hear Peter Alliss commentating just because he knows Golf.
Other than that I would like to say thank you to all the VTV and the TF.TV staff to give us the hours and hours of free great coverage via their hard work.
Maybe. I don't know why tf.tv didn't plan coverage if the stvs were always going to be available. That's either inside knowledge, extreme pettiness, or a gentleman's agreement. Ruwin seemed pretty certain that the stvs weren't publicly available. Maybe he's a liar, or was lied to.
Maybe. I don't know why tf.tv didn't plan coverage if the stvs were always going to be available. That's either inside knowledge, extreme pettiness, or a gentleman's agreement. Ruwin seemed pretty certain that the stvs weren't publicly available. Maybe he's a liar, or was lied to.
They are meant to be publicly available but aren't working.
This isn't hard to understand.
They are meant to be publicly available but aren't working.
This isn't hard to understand.
So here is teh 411 with the STV issues. Its out of our hands. Multiplay, the event organizers are trying to fix it, but right now we can't link up an online STV relay onto the LAN STVs
That is the issue, it aint no bias, we're doing all we can with what we have
So here is teh 411 with the STV issues. Its out of our hands. Multiplay, the event organizers are trying to fix it, but right now we can't link up an online STV relay onto the LAN STVs
That is the issue, it aint no bias, we're doing all we can with what we have
blueeThey are meant to be publicly available but aren't working.
This isn't hard to understand.
BUT NERKUL SED RUWINN SED YOU IZ LYIN!!!1
[quote=bluee]They are meant to be publicly available but aren't working.
This isn't hard to understand.[/quote]
BUT NERKUL SED RUWINN SED YOU IZ LYIN!!!1
blueeThey are meant to be publicly available but aren't working.
This isn't hard to understand.
Are you accusing tf.tv of extreme pettiness?
[quote=bluee]They are meant to be publicly available but aren't working.
This isn't hard to understand.[/quote]
Are you accusing tf.tv of extreme pettiness?
nerkul
Are you accusing tf.tv of extreme pettiness?
After accepting Lange and Sal with open arms and inviting others to work alongside them, do you not think it would be strange for VTV to suddenly try and sabotage TF.TV?
[quote=nerkul]
Are you accusing tf.tv of extreme pettiness?[/quote]
After accepting Lange and Sal with open arms and inviting others to work alongside them, do you not think it would be strange for VTV to suddenly try and sabotage TF.TV?
I've no idea nor any bias either way. Somebody is fucking the community and lying about it. Might want to get to the bottom of that so they can't do the same next year, don't you think?
I've no idea nor any bias either way. Somebody is fucking the community and lying about it. Might want to get to the bottom of that so they can't do the same next year, don't you think?
nerkulI've no idea nor any bias either way. Somebody is fucking the community and lying about it. Might want to get to the bottom of that so they can't do the same next year, don't you think?
People maybe aren't necessarily lying on purpose, maybe people are confusing correlation and causation.
But spreading vicious rumours as truths is doing this already divided community no good.
Perhaps you misunderstood Ruwin. Perhaps Ruwin drew conclusions that weren't there. Whatever happened only appears to be totally inflammatory and now baseless.
This community acts like high school girls at times, gossiping and spreading bullshit everywhere for no apparent reason. It's pathetic.
[quote=nerkul]I've no idea nor any bias either way. Somebody is fucking the community and lying about it. Might want to get to the bottom of that so they can't do the same next year, don't you think?[/quote]
People maybe aren't necessarily lying on purpose, maybe people are confusing correlation and causation.
But spreading vicious rumours as truths is doing this already divided community no good.
Perhaps you misunderstood Ruwin. Perhaps Ruwin drew conclusions that weren't there. Whatever happened only appears to be totally inflammatory and now baseless.
This community acts like high school girls at times, gossiping and spreading bullshit everywhere for no apparent reason. It's pathetic.
All Ruwin said was that they have exclusivity on the finals... which may or may not be true. Will there be relays for the finals available?
All Ruwin said was that they have exclusivity on the finals... which may or may not be true. Will there be relays for the finals available?
That's not what Ruwin said. He said he wanted to cast HRG's games that weren't being covered but was told the stvs were exclusive.
VTV (on Multiplay's stream) have exclusive coverage of the final, yes.
That's not what Ruwin said. He said he wanted to cast HRG's games that weren't being covered but was told the stvs were exclusive.
VTV (on Multiplay's stream) have exclusive coverage of the final, yes.
All finals games are only available on the multiplay stream. (They want viewers to make happy sponsors) There won't be any stv.
All finals games are only available on the multiplay stream. (They want viewers to make happy sponsors) There won't be any stv.
AndKennethAll Ruwin said was that they have exclusivity on the finals... which may or may not be true. Will there be relays for the finals available?
There are no relays for the grand finals on stage. Multiplay never provides them and there's nothing we can do about it. It's been like this since as long as I can remember.
It will be 2 of our casters on stage, 1 also being the streamer and Multiplay doing all the production, streaming to the multiplay twitch channel.
[quote=AndKenneth]All Ruwin said was that they have exclusivity on the finals... which may or may not be true. Will there be relays for the finals available?[/quote]
There are no relays for the grand finals on stage. Multiplay never provides them and there's nothing we can do about it. It's been like this since as long as I can remember.
It will be 2 of our casters on stage, 1 also being the streamer and Multiplay doing all the production, streaming to the multiplay twitch channel.
blueeconductorI don't know if this is a vtv decision or a multiplay decision but I really dislike that there's no stvs, if you want to watch one of the other matches that isn't on stream you're kinda screwed
All on Multiplay afaik, either intentional or an error they haven't fixed. confirmed error
good to hear, here's hoping you guys can figure it out then
nerkul shouldn't you be out investigating how we never landed on the moon and how 9/11 was an inside job or something
[quote=bluee][quote=conductor]I don't know if this is a vtv decision or a multiplay decision but I really dislike that there's no stvs, if you want to watch one of the other matches that isn't on stream you're kinda screwed[/quote]
All on Multiplay afaik, [s]either intentional or an error they haven't fixed.[/s] confirmed error[/quote]
good to hear, here's hoping you guys can figure it out then
nerkul shouldn't you be out investigating how we never landed on the moon and how 9/11 was an inside job or something
nerkulThat's not what Ruwin said. He said he wanted to cast HRG's games that weren't being covered but was told the stvs were exclusive.
No. This is what he said:
RuwinI offered to cast all HRG games that were not on the stream.
I was told there were no public STVs available.
Sorry bros.
He said "There were no public STVs available."
This is true.
He did not say anything as to *why* they were not available, presumably because he didn't know. He certainly said nothing about them being exclusive, or being in any way withheld by VTV, because that IS NOT THE CASE AND YOU JUST MADE IT UP.
[quote=nerkul]That's not what Ruwin said. He said he wanted to cast HRG's games that weren't being covered but was told the stvs were exclusive.[/quote]
No. This is what he said:
[quote=Ruwin]I offered to cast all HRG games that were not on the stream.
I was told there were no public STVs available.
Sorry bros.[/quote]
He said "There were no public STVs available."
This is true.
He did not say anything as to *why* they were not available, presumably because he didn't know. He certainly said nothing about them being exclusive, or being in any way withheld by VTV, because that IS NOT THE CASE AND YOU JUST MADE IT UP.
That's my point. Why didn't tf.tv plan coverage if nothing technical was stopping them, as far as they knew? Was it a gentleman's agreement after VTV won the production rights?
That's my point. Why didn't tf.tv plan coverage if nothing technical was stopping them, as far as they knew? Was it a gentleman's agreement after VTV won the production rights?
nerkulThat's my point. Why didn't tf.tv plan coverage? Was it just a gentleman's agreement after VTV won the production rights?
Where does that say coverage wasn't planned?
[quote=nerkul]That's my point. Why didn't tf.tv plan coverage? Was it just a gentleman's agreement after VTV won the production rights?[/quote]
Where does that say coverage wasn't planned?
Yes, no official casts were planned
Yes, no official casts were planned
Okay, gentleman's agreement between Enigma and Byte. All we needed to know. When the community make it clear they love your coverage and would rather see both VTV and tf.tv than just one, it's a commendably bold move to step back and acknowledge your rival's victory. Props to all.
Okay, gentleman's agreement between Enigma and Byte. All we needed to know. When the community make it clear they love your coverage and would rather see both VTV and tf.tv than just one, it's a commendably bold move to step back and acknowledge your rival's victory. Props to all.
nerkulOkay, gentleman's agreement between Enigma and Byte. All we needed to know. When the community make it clear they love your coverage and would rather see both VTV and tf.tv than just one, it's a commendably bold move to step back and acknowledge your rival's victory. Props to all.
Do you always put 1 and 1 together and make 3?
[quote=nerkul]Okay, gentleman's agreement between Enigma and Byte. All we needed to know. When the community make it clear they love your coverage and would rather see both VTV and tf.tv than just one, it's a commendably bold move to step back and acknowledge your rival's victory. Props to all.[/quote]
Do you always put 1 and 1 together and make 3?
Would be nice to see some text on the screen like: Upcoming cast: iM vs Did i stutter on cp_process
And during interviews, maybe the names of the people who are being interviewed?
Would be nice to see some text on the screen like: Upcoming cast: iM vs Did i stutter on cp_process
And during interviews, maybe the names of the people who are being interviewed?
Would be nice to have some information on the next cast + ETA on screen instead of just crowd shots during down time. Rest was awesome from what I could see, great job :)
Would be nice to have some information on the next cast + ETA on screen instead of just crowd shots during down time. Rest was awesome from what I could see, great job :)
Oh look its fraac chatting out of his arse again. What a suprise.
Oh look its fraac chatting out of his arse again. What a suprise.
It would be nice if
1) the stream didn't crash all the time (this is apparently out of VanillaTV's control, unfortunately, but still a bother)
2) we had some sort of COUNTDOWN or CLOCK so that viewers know how long they have to wait for the next match. There have been some gaps/breaks exceeding an hour or two and it's kind of unreasonable not to provide some sort of information given that the official schedule is incredibly vague.
It would be nice if
1) the stream didn't crash all the time (this is apparently out of VanillaTV's control, unfortunately, but still a bother)
2) we had some sort of COUNTDOWN or CLOCK so that viewers know how long they have to wait for the next match. There have been some gaps/breaks exceeding an hour or two and it's kind of unreasonable not to provide some sort of information given that the official schedule is incredibly vague.
-KOTH timers needs team indicator
-maptime limit would be nice
-ETA & info for next happening
-KOTH timers needs team indicator
-maptime limit would be nice
-ETA & info for next happening
nobody cares about the crowd when there is action happening
holy shit
nobody cares about the crowd when there is action happening
holy shit
STOP SHOWING THE CROWD.
Please, I want to watch the match.
STOP SHOWING THE CROWD.
Please, I want to watch the match.
Don't show the fucking sleeping crowd in the middle of a game!
It's what lots of directors in football did 10 years ago and you know why they stopped? People want to watch the game, not the crowd.
Don't show the fucking sleeping crowd in the middle of a game!
It's what lots of directors in football did 10 years ago and you know why they stopped? People want to watch the game, not the crowd.