OMG STEAMOS
IT'S COMING
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Steam OS announced http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamOS/
Steam OS announced http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamOS/
They pumped out a linux distro. This might be cool depending on how light or heavy it is.
They pumped out a linux distro. This might be cool depending on how light or heavy it is.
"Free operating system"
I'm down
edit: "designed for the TV and the living room"
fuk
"Free operating system"
I'm down
edit: "designed for the TV and the living room"
fuk
I'm down
edit: "designed for the TV and the living room"
fuk
I can't wait for my dad and mom to add me on steam :^)
I can't wait for my dad and mom to add me on steam :^)
i would laugh so hard if announcement 3 was never given a timer and they just left the website up forever, two thirds complete.
i would laugh so hard if announcement 3 was never given a timer and they just left the website up forever, two thirds complete.
why are people crying about free OS, this is great
it's also open source so you can modify anything you want
why are people crying about free OS, this is great
it's also open source so you can modify anything you want
it's also open source so you can modify anything you want
alfawhy are people crying about free OS, this is great
it's also open source so you can modify anything you want
It's Free, not open source afaik.
[quote=alfa]why are people crying about free OS, this is great
it's also open source so you can modify anything you want[/quote]
It's [b]Free[/b], not [b]open source[/b] afaik.
it's also open source so you can modify anything you want[/quote]
It's [b]Free[/b], not [b]open source[/b] afaik.
Its a Linux distro, it will be open-source, at least everything except the Steam overlay. Its basically going to be an optimized Linux distro that boots into Big Picture.
Its a Linux distro, it will be open-source, at least everything except the Steam overlay. Its basically going to be an optimized Linux distro that boots into Big Picture.
DunderBroI kind of feel like valve has missed their window, unless hl3 will be 100/100 in every possible aspect I think playing and finishing the game is gonna leave you with an unsatisfied, empty feeling.
I think it's more that they've changed the game economy, they just aren't interested in making one-off titles any more. Steam and tf2/dota mini-transactions are the big money.
[quote=DunderBro]I kind of feel like valve has missed their window, unless hl3 will be 100/100 in every possible aspect I think playing and finishing the game is gonna leave you with an unsatisfied, empty feeling.[/quote]
I think it's more that they've changed the game economy, they just aren't interested in making one-off titles any more. Steam and tf2/dota mini-transactions are the big money.
I think it's more that they've changed the game economy, they just aren't interested in making one-off titles any more. Steam and tf2/dota mini-transactions are the big money.
One of the main reasons I prefer windows over linux is because windows has games. Not anymore.
One of the main reasons I prefer windows over linux is because windows has games. Not anymore.
alfawhy are people crying about free OS, this is great
While there's no reason for them to be complaining, it's not as big of an announcement as some people are making it out to be. Despite all the marketing crap on the Steam website, it will most likely be just another ordinary Linux distribution, set apart only by the applications that come pre-installed and its default configuration.
Of course, there will be some good to come out of this. With Valve creating their own Linux distribution, it's inevitable that they will have some of their developers work on optimisations on both the kernel and user-space programs, with many of these changes pushed upstream. (I hope that Valve will be cooperative on this front.)
Perhaps this will also push NVIDIA and AMD (especially AMD) to take their Linux video drivers more seriously.
alfait's also open source so you can modify anything you want
While Valve will be forced to open-source many of their changes due to licences, I highly doubt they will open-source most of their original work. I wouldn't expect them to change the licence of the Steam client or similar programs, so there's probably not much you will be able to change as far as the user interface is concerned. I only hope that I am wrong.
[quote=alfa]why are people crying about free OS, this is great[/quote]
While there's no reason for them to be complaining, it's not as big of an announcement as some people are making it out to be. Despite all the marketing crap on the Steam website, it will most likely be just another ordinary Linux distribution, set apart only by the applications that come pre-installed and its default configuration.
Of course, there will be some good to come out of this. With Valve creating their own Linux distribution, it's inevitable that they will have some of their developers work on optimisations on both the kernel and user-space programs, with many of these changes pushed upstream. (I hope that Valve will be cooperative on this front.)
Perhaps this will also push NVIDIA and AMD (especially AMD) to take their Linux video drivers more seriously.
[quote=alfa]it's also open source so you can modify anything you want[/quote]
While Valve will be forced to open-source many of their changes due to licences, I highly doubt they will open-source most of their original work. I wouldn't expect them to change the licence of the Steam client or similar programs, so there's probably not much you will be able to change as far as the user interface is concerned. I only hope that I am wrong.
While there's no reason for them to be complaining, it's not as big of an announcement as some people are making it out to be. Despite all the marketing crap on the Steam website, it will most likely be just another ordinary Linux distribution, set apart only by the applications that come pre-installed and its default configuration.
Of course, there will be some good to come out of this. With Valve creating their own Linux distribution, it's inevitable that they will have some of their developers work on optimisations on both the kernel and user-space programs, with many of these changes pushed upstream. (I hope that Valve will be cooperative on this front.)
Perhaps this will also push NVIDIA and AMD (especially AMD) to take their Linux video drivers more seriously.
[quote=alfa]it's also open source so you can modify anything you want[/quote]
While Valve will be forced to open-source many of their changes due to licences, I highly doubt they will open-source most of their original work. I wouldn't expect them to change the licence of the Steam client or similar programs, so there's probably not much you will be able to change as far as the user interface is concerned. I only hope that I am wrong.
Hopefully AMD & nVidia take this as a good opportunity to work on their linux drivers...
Hopefully AMD & nVidia take this as a good opportunity to work on their linux drivers...
KanecoIt's Free, not open source afaik.
Except it's gonna be open-source
[quote=Kaneco]It's [b]Free[/b], not [b]open source[/b] afaik.[/quote]
Except it's gonna be open-source
Except it's gonna be open-source
alfaKanecoIt's Free, not open source afaik.
Except it's gonna be open-source
Nowhere on the announcement page does it say this.
[quote=alfa][quote=Kaneco]It's [b]Free[/b], not [b]open source[/b] afaik.[/quote]
Except it's gonna be open-source[/quote]
Nowhere on the announcement page does it say this.
Except it's gonna be open-source[/quote]
Nowhere on the announcement page does it say this.
alfaKanecoIt's Free, not open source afaik.
Except it's gonna be open-source
it says it will be licensable but not open source
[quote=alfa][quote=Kaneco]It's [b]Free[/b], not [b]open source[/b] afaik.[/quote]
Except it's gonna be open-source[/quote]
it says it will be licensable but not open source
Except it's gonna be open-source[/quote]
it says it will be licensable but not open source
Linux is licensed under the GPL, anyone who distributes Linux (including modifications) must make their source code available under the same terms.
It has to be open source, they can't make it not open source.
Linux is licensed under the GPL, anyone who distributes Linux (including modifications) must make their source code available under the same terms.
It has to be open source, they can't make it not open source.
It has to be open source, they can't make it not open source.
DarkNecridLinux is licensed under the GPL, anyone who distributes Linux (including modifications) must make their source code available under the same terms.
It has to be open source, they can't make it not open source.
Due to licensing, any changes they make to the Linux kernel and many other userland tools and libraries must remain open. This does not mean that Valve will have to release the Steam client and other applications they create under a similar licence.
[quote=DarkNecrid]Linux is licensed under the GPL, anyone who distributes Linux (including modifications) must make their source code available under the same terms.
It has to be open source, they can't make it not open source.[/quote]
Due to licensing, any changes they make to the Linux kernel and many other userland tools and libraries must remain open. This does not mean that Valve will have to release the Steam client and other applications they create under a similar licence.
It has to be open source, they can't make it not open source.[/quote]
Due to licensing, any changes they make to the Linux kernel and many other userland tools and libraries must remain open. This does not mean that Valve will have to release the Steam client and other applications they create under a similar licence.
ompDarkNecridLinux is licensed under the GPL, anyone who distributes Linux (including modifications) must make their source code available under the same terms.Due to licensing, any changes they make to the Linux kernel and many other userland tools and libraries must remain open. This does not mean that Valve will have to release the Steam client and other applications they create under a similar licence.
It has to be open source, they can't make it not open source.
Obviously, but the topic is about the SteamOS itself and the original post you are all quoting/replying to was talking about the SteamOS itself being open source, which it will be.
[quote=omp][quote=DarkNecrid]Linux is licensed under the GPL, anyone who distributes Linux (including modifications) must make their source code available under the same terms.
It has to be open source, they can't make it not open source.[/quote]
Due to licensing, any changes they make to the Linux kernel and many other userland tools and libraries must remain open. This does not mean that Valve will have to release the Steam client and other applications they create under a similar licence.[/quote]
Obviously, but the topic is about the SteamOS itself and the original post you are all quoting/replying to was talking about the SteamOS itself being open source, which it will be.
It has to be open source, they can't make it not open source.[/quote]
Due to licensing, any changes they make to the Linux kernel and many other userland tools and libraries must remain open. This does not mean that Valve will have to release the Steam client and other applications they create under a similar licence.[/quote]
Obviously, but the topic is about the SteamOS itself and the original post you are all quoting/replying to was talking about the SteamOS itself being open source, which it will be.
DarkNecridObviously, but the topic is about the SteamOS itself and the original post you are all quoting/replying to was talking about the SteamOS itself being open source, which it will be.
Not necessarily. An operating system is more than just a kernel, so it depends on how much Valve changes (and whether they open source those changes), as well as where you draw the distinction between operating system and user applications.
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To elaborate some more on what I mean... Do you consider the init system a part of the operating system? Basic tools such as coreutils and the shell? What about the display server?
I would argue that the existence of Steam and other Valve tools are integral in making SteamOS what it is and should therefore be coupled with the notion of 'SteamOS'. So what if some of the foundation applications are open source, they already were, so nothing changed.
Then again, even if you don't agree with my definition that the user interface should be considered a part of 'SteamOS', it still doesn't guarantee that the operating system in its entirety will be open source. It's entirely possible Valve could replace parts of the traditional stack and keep them closed source. For example, they could write their own display server. They could even take existing open-source code and not release their modifications, as not all of the standard Linux libraries and applications are released under the GPL, but under more lenient licences such as BSD or MIT.
[quote=DarkNecrid]Obviously, but the topic is about the SteamOS itself and the original post you are all quoting/replying to was talking about the SteamOS itself being open source, which it will be.[/quote]
Not necessarily. An operating system is more than just a kernel, so it depends on how much Valve changes (and whether they open source those changes), as well as where you draw the distinction between operating system and user applications.
[b][edit][/b]
To elaborate some more on what I mean... Do you consider the init system a part of the operating system? Basic tools such as coreutils and the shell? What about the display server?
I would argue that the existence of Steam and other Valve tools are integral in making SteamOS what it is and should therefore be coupled with the notion of 'SteamOS'. So what if some of the foundation applications are open source, they already were, so nothing changed.
Then again, even if you don't agree with my definition that the user interface should be considered a part of 'SteamOS', it still doesn't guarantee that the operating system in its entirety will be open source. It's entirely possible Valve could replace parts of the traditional stack and keep them closed source. For example, they could write their own display server. They could even take existing open-source code and not release their modifications, as not all of the standard Linux libraries and applications are released under the GPL, but under more lenient licences such as BSD or MIT.
Not necessarily. An operating system is more than just a kernel, so it depends on how much Valve changes (and whether they open source those changes), as well as where you draw the distinction between operating system and user applications.
[b][edit][/b]
To elaborate some more on what I mean... Do you consider the init system a part of the operating system? Basic tools such as coreutils and the shell? What about the display server?
I would argue that the existence of Steam and other Valve tools are integral in making SteamOS what it is and should therefore be coupled with the notion of 'SteamOS'. So what if some of the foundation applications are open source, they already were, so nothing changed.
Then again, even if you don't agree with my definition that the user interface should be considered a part of 'SteamOS', it still doesn't guarantee that the operating system in its entirety will be open source. It's entirely possible Valve could replace parts of the traditional stack and keep them closed source. For example, they could write their own display server. They could even take existing open-source code and not release their modifications, as not all of the standard Linux libraries and applications are released under the GPL, but under more lenient licences such as BSD or MIT.
ITS GNU/LINUX NOT LINUX GAHD
I'll be at the 30th anniversary this weekend
https://www.gnu.org/gnu30/celebration
ITS GNU/LINUX NOT LINUX GAHD
I'll be at the 30th anniversary this weekend
https://www.gnu.org/gnu30/celebration
I'll be at the 30th anniversary this weekend
https://www.gnu.org/gnu30/celebration
I see #65, that's interesting actually, thanks for the info.
I see #65, that's interesting actually, thanks for the info.
Honestly, this is a lot bigger than just drivers and linux distros. Steam could enter a much larger market - even larger than the one it has now - with this. Consider the following:
It's no secret that Valve was planning a sort of home entertainment system aka Steambox. We all saw the articles, it's easily searchable via google. When it comes to E3 (well, it used to), we all look towards what each major player is looking to throw down on the table - their console exclusives. In a market that's quickly becoming more and more focused around multiplat games, we have a fine-tuned linux distro that Valve is promoting for living room entertainment systems. They're also talking about media integration and streaming as well for SteamOS. When it comes to consoles and PCs, it's also no big secret that people like to brag about their console/PC of choice being superior on internet boards ad nauseum.
Here's where it gets really good. Lots of console "exclusives" end up coming to the PC anyway as ports (despite the quality of each port varying) and the PC has its own market. If you look around, there's a lot of movement into small/form-factor PCs. Even Apple has their own version of it. We've seen pictures of the Steambox - it's supposedly pretty damn tiny. Loading SteamOS onto that thing is going to provide the features necessary for media playback and gameplay. This has the potential to seriously blur the line between the PC market and the console market and create some very interesting consequences. It gets even better after that, too: the theorycrafting can get really good if the customization thing about the Steambox comes true. To quote a friend of mine,
1:44 PM - Harrs: this is a scary new world we're living in
1:44 PM - greatstalin: i love it
1:44 PM - Harrs: oh fuck yeah it's awesome
Honestly, this is a lot bigger than just drivers and linux distros. Steam could enter a much larger market - even larger than the one it has now - with this. Consider the following:
It's no secret that Valve was planning a sort of home entertainment system aka Steambox. We all saw the articles, it's easily searchable via google. When it comes to E3 (well, it used to), we all look towards what each major player is looking to throw down on the table - their console exclusives. In a market that's quickly becoming more and more focused around multiplat games, we have a fine-tuned linux distro that Valve is promoting for living room entertainment systems. They're also talking about media integration and streaming as well for SteamOS. When it comes to consoles and PCs, it's also no big secret that people like to brag about their console/PC of choice being superior on internet boards ad nauseum.
Here's where it gets really good. Lots of console "exclusives" end up coming to the PC anyway as ports (despite the quality of each port varying) and the PC has its own market. If you look around, there's a lot of movement into small/form-factor PCs. Even Apple has their own version of it. We've seen pictures of the Steambox - it's supposedly pretty damn tiny. Loading SteamOS onto that thing is going to provide the features necessary for media playback and gameplay. [b]This has the potential to seriously blur the line between the PC market and the console market and create some very interesting consequences[/b]. It gets even better after that, too: the theorycrafting can get really good if the customization thing about the Steambox comes true. To quote a friend of mine,
[quote]1:44 PM - Harrs: this is a scary new world we're living in
1:44 PM - greatstalin: i love it
1:44 PM - Harrs: oh fuck yeah it's awesome[/quote]
It's no secret that Valve was planning a sort of home entertainment system aka Steambox. We all saw the articles, it's easily searchable via google. When it comes to E3 (well, it used to), we all look towards what each major player is looking to throw down on the table - their console exclusives. In a market that's quickly becoming more and more focused around multiplat games, we have a fine-tuned linux distro that Valve is promoting for living room entertainment systems. They're also talking about media integration and streaming as well for SteamOS. When it comes to consoles and PCs, it's also no big secret that people like to brag about their console/PC of choice being superior on internet boards ad nauseum.
Here's where it gets really good. Lots of console "exclusives" end up coming to the PC anyway as ports (despite the quality of each port varying) and the PC has its own market. If you look around, there's a lot of movement into small/form-factor PCs. Even Apple has their own version of it. We've seen pictures of the Steambox - it's supposedly pretty damn tiny. Loading SteamOS onto that thing is going to provide the features necessary for media playback and gameplay. [b]This has the potential to seriously blur the line between the PC market and the console market and create some very interesting consequences[/b]. It gets even better after that, too: the theorycrafting can get really good if the customization thing about the Steambox comes true. To quote a friend of mine,
[quote]1:44 PM - Harrs: this is a scary new world we're living in
1:44 PM - greatstalin: i love it
1:44 PM - Harrs: oh fuck yeah it's awesome[/quote]
smoboi would laugh so hard if announcement 3 was never given a timer and they just left the website up forever, two thirds complete.
They wouldn't be that big of a jerk, this is basically how they announced most major TF2 updates. So leaving Day 3 hanging would be rather rude.
[quote=smobo]i would laugh so hard if announcement 3 was never given a timer and they just left the website up forever, two thirds complete.[/quote]
They wouldn't be that big of a jerk, this is basically how they announced most major TF2 updates. So leaving Day 3 hanging would be rather rude.
They wouldn't be that big of a jerk, this is basically how they announced most major TF2 updates. So leaving Day 3 hanging would be rather rude.
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