i mean they kind of nerfed his ult and made his attack speed longer but still...

Can someone please explain how you keep track of all those items? o_o

spacecow is fine now.

if you play a variety of heroes you build different things all the time. you just get used to what items do and why you build them. basically experience.

dota was just patched, here we go...

edit: it's not 6.79, false alarm

in all honesty, I like a lot of the changes. some of them are really shit (see: everything relating to jungle, buyback, roshan time, i don't know that day/night cycle is broken but it's definitely interesting) but i'm hoping that that's the reason it's on the test client and that the ridiculous changes are going to get balanced or removed.

also blank you really, really have to do a diffusal/dagon(/refresher) riki stream on the test client. invisible zapping people is like some signature clown stuff right there and you know even valve won't keep something THAT broken in for very long.

fuck
dat
shit

makes me sad

why did they give pudge and venge blink dagger

never needed to happen

also why do they change all the unimportant shit but they dont nerf the heros that actually have balance issues (SPIRIT BREAKER??) 60% winrate is kinda extremely unbalanced

winrate means nothing in terms of hero balance

HoN has always given Pudge and Vengeful Blink Dagger, they aren't even broken. But HoN tends to have lots of broken/stupid heroes and balance issues.

Also how is dagon/diffusal/refresher broken? Seems like shit except to troll when you're already winning. Only works in pubs.

win rate doesn't mean anything when it comes to actual overpoweredness in dota, the non-Very High Skill brackets are really stupid often and even VHS is dumb often enough.

his win rate is fine in high level competitive games which is really the only thing that matters, everyone else is expected to just learn and adjust, and they have since Spirit Breaker's win rate is actually 56% now and it has been steadily dropping by 1-2% every month for the most part.

spirit breaker punished mistakes really hard and that's about it. it'd be like saying Spy in TF2 is OP because he wrecks most pubs.

(also they nerfed every single hero that had major balance issues from what I can tell)

Why dota when you can smite!?

http://i.imgur.com/F3CcVCz.gif

Can someone explain to me why jungling is ruined? I stopped playing Dota 2 a while ago but I jungled quite frequently with Enigma, Nature's Prophet, Bat Rider and a few others. I understand the XP was nerfed, but so was the armor for each creep that was nerfed, which means they now die quicker than before. Is this most certainly a bad trade-off?

I would also assume that more heroes are now viable to be junglers as well since the main difference between a jungler and non-jungler is the ability to sustain the damage. Quicker kills = faster xp = more hp after the fight.

Or is the majority opinion that jungling is now made easier and more accessible, therefore making the game easier?

I can't find any hero changes that I have any complaint with. We'll have to see how the Broodmother, Bloodseeker, and Nightstalker changes pan out, because those are probably the largest buffs.

It's all the jungle/buyback/roshan changes that are going to have a huge impact. I don't see defensive trilanes being worth it anymore in most cases.

Because Hi-Rez makes the clunkiest games ever. Every game they've come out with was a good concept plagued with a terrible engine supporting it.

to be fair spirit breaker snowballs super easily, he just so happens to be extra stupid in pubs because pubbers are idiots

first item aghs rubick here i come

#44 having not played with the changes yet, I'd say farming jungle and doing nothing else is nerfed pretty badly. the gold gain changes clearly emphasize ganking to help you make up for it, which won't be too bad considering the change to the medium/small camps is probably going to break stack/pull and kill trilanes.

idk tho, this patch is so big that it's gonna be a crazy few months.

and im just here waiting for AW

So, I've never got into Dota2 but isn't HoN like dota2?

hon is essentially dota 1.5, it was supposed to be a continuation of dota until icefrog was picked up by valve and hon was continued into its own thing.

you can kill camps faster, and have more health, but they still respawn at the same intervals so over time you wont get as much xp/gold and late game farming jungle is harly worth it (imo) unless youre AM or someone who can flashfarm

take any theorycraft you see with a grain of salt friend

That's kind of what I figured.

I saw the patch notes and it kind of makes me want to play again, mostly because of the bonus you get from ending kill streaks, and the regen of racks. The one thing that makes me rage in Dota 2 is the fact that it can be seemingly impossible to win games if you lose early. Snowball effects in games are dumb, I hope these changes were made to remedy this a little bit.

I think it makes it easier to jungle for slower junglers (maybe even enables a few more heroes) but the best Junglers don't get the same XP speed like they used to.

And snowballing is something that kinda needs to happen so that winning early game means absolutely nothing late game. Otherwise it'd be better to just go for late game heroes every game and turtle/stall it out (which already happens enough at high levels, ratz). Then again the other team turtles because someone started to snowball half the time.

b/c hi rez took a great concept and some decent execution and crapped on it

super stupid balancing at this point and they keep releasing characters that are even more bloated and ridiculously more powerful than the last generation of characters, and then they nerf the older generations based off win rate
engine is garbage and so are the servers
and since the last patch jumping over abilities for some reason?????????

rip

*Reads patch notes* *Looks for dagon. Nothing comes up*

Laser beams are safe.

Riki with Ethereal Blade + Dagon 5. You don't even get out of invisibility.

If he's still not dead after that, use Smoke Screen + Diffusal to secure the kill with right-clicks boosted by Backstab.

PS: If you want laser beams, Skywrath Aghanim's upgrade makes his ultimate have 0 cooldown. Add KotL's Chakra and OD's Essence Aura and you can start the laser rain.

Why do people keep saying that the Riki buff is going to make running dagon on him viable? Think of it this way. It's like pub stomping with Nyx Assassin, but worse in every single way imaginable. Having any sort of vision still fucks the hero over, and if the team is retarded enough to not buy any vision then the pre-patch Riki with MoM and Basher would have the same effect except would also be able to contribute to team fights.

I'm not sure if you're suggesting it seriously or not. But I'm seeing it a lot on the dev forums and reddit from people who think it's a serious concern and it makes me upset.

It's obvious that Riki with Dagon will only work against low skill people. Decent players will buy sentry wards/dust/gem during the match the moment they see the enemy team picks Riki.

But using E-blade + Dagon in low skill games will be fun. Think about all the ragequits this build will generate.