squid I don't care what country you're from asking someone to forego celebrating what's arguably their country's biggest holiday or get a forfeit loss is a dick move

it's unimaginable that an invite player, all of whom are capable of dedicating so much time scrimming, practicing and playing matches, are incapable of rescheduling a match around 4th of July. More likely you just didn't care about all the other people involved

oh.

uh... sorry?

Alfa and Brad should organize a match anyway.

Fuck it, call it a goodbye Pyyyor event - stream & cast it.

squidhttp://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/10012/3

give it a read and decide if seanbud should still hold that grudgeRead what? You didn't link to a specific post, so I don't know what you're referring to.

Edit: Read posts above this one apparently, as I missed things. Carry on.

root+6 lanbound baby FUCK YEAH

i've been around esea in cs/css/tf2 since 2007, and they've always handled the issues that running an online video gaming league is going to encounter pretty terribly. back in the day i was on a css team in playoffs and after a fucking tornado took out like 4-5 players combined on the 2 teams they decided to coin flip instead of allowing us to reschedule for later in the week.

unless a team outright dies (or team A decide to be a bunch of dicks which really shouldn't be allowed regardless) there's no reason there should be ANY forfeits in invite. there's a large gap between regular season and lan where any and all make up matches can be played.

see you bunch of baby back bitches in dallas. prepare for my lan DH.

oh, and the sad fact is that we are insignificant to ESEA. if we tried to do some boycott or other bullshit that kane/torbull weren't fond of they could VERY easily say fuck you to our entire community and start up a goddamn CoD league that would probably crush our league #'s in its first season. keep this in mind.

Yes, ESEA have no respect for you so treat them extra nice.

if that's what you took from that post you have serious reading comprehension issues. the point of that statement was we have no real leverage against ESEA, so making realistic, small "demands" is better than going "fuck you if you dont do this we all quit" because they'll simply say "ok" and then our game is dead in NA.

fraac has been on an anti-esea campaign on every medium he can get to for months now. It's best just to ignore his stupidity.

(he's gonna compare us to defending an abusive husband now)

Referring to the bold, this serves as an argument as to why no exceptions should be made. If you have all season to get ready for a game, one would think you could find atleast one hour out of 168(one week for those without a calculator) to play your game. If anything this rule should be harshest on those in invite that can prepare farther into the future and get in contact with their opponents the fastest. If literally no one is willing to skip their comparative literature seminar or what have you, only then should an exception be made.

In the end: If 12 people can't find 1 hour out of 168 to play videogames when they know eachothers schedule literally the whole season, not only are they lazy and dumb as fuck, but should probably learn how a competitive, scheduled arrangement works.

No exceptions.

#223, stuff comes up. Suppose your parents called two days before you're supposed to have a match and say "We're coming to your college, and taking you out to dinner". What are you going to tell them, that you're too busy with video games? It's all well and good to have defined rules, but you're pushing a little too far into the black and white; there are shades of gray in life.

MLG has CoD atm, and currently BO 2 has 3,353 In-Game compared to the 25k on TF2 (PC obviously). If CoD was popular on PC and MLG didn't have a hold of it, they would have already ditched TF2. ESEA is a business, there's obviously a reason why they haven't picked it up. Let's not forget that CoD is dying like WoW is.

http://mltiplyr.com/2013/01/24/mlg-pick-up-black-ops-2-for-pro-circuit-winter-championship-in-dallas/

I could see 100% no exceptions if there was actually money in TF2, but there's not. We're just playing to have fun.

Well that kinda makes sense but,

A) No one scrims or has matches on friday or sunday so theres 48 hours
B) No one plays till at the very earliest 10:00 p.m est (believe it or not but alot of people have jobs / class)
C) No one has their first match on the first possible day of the week
D) No one plays matches that start past midnight

So in reality we have about 8 hours a week to find a time that fits 12 people accordingly. But hey I guess we're lazy and dumb as fuck and should probably learn how a competitive scheduled arrangement works.

No exceptions.

god. fucking. damnit. the game itself isn't important. it could be fucking left 4 dead or what the fuck ever game. the point is TF2 isn't some cash cow like CS:GO, and if we try and threaten to boycott them they'll likely say "fuck you, do it pussies" and then we either a) leave and natf2 dies a slow, painful death after several leagues start and fail within a year or b) stay, further proving that esea can do w/e the fuck they want and we'll keep forkin over the cash.

"In reality" is already assuming that we ought to keep the system the same, makes no sense to me why 3 days are excluded entirely out of question of matchtime, or why you cant stay up late if something like lan is important to you. Evidently you have fewer than 168 hours to operate but if you are dedicating to invite one would hope you have at least more than 8 rofl.

Obviously, milo, you're much more familiar with how esea works than I am but to me it appears that tf2 players put the onus on esea to change it's policies without question of how the players themselves operate.

From a business standpoint, esea wont give a shit until invite players give a shit.

I personally feel that if you start to make one exception then who's to stop you from making another? The precedence has been set. If you're interested I would read this: http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/009254.html

Please just
stop talking

TF2 never has been and never should be something you schedule your life around, and if you say you should you need a new life

Truth is milo is right and for the MAJORITY of tf2 players that's when matches and scrims happen

and you shouldn't even try to justify that you can do other times because we have lives

No matter what you do, esports in a season format will probably rely on a week by week schedule, it's just a thing we as humans do and understand

I'm going to put IRL first, even if I ever reach invite

http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=3476985
alive?

I think the Sunday deadline is great if one of the teams doesn't want to reschedule, it prevents the match from being delayed and potentially interfering with the next weeks matches. However, if both teams agree, and can manage it in their schedule, I completely fail to see the downside to letting the match be played.

No exceptions, it's a slippery slope.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl8FhFP05A0

You can only schedule matches starting at 6 pm to 12:30 am anyways. s0 that's 7 hours a day for legal match times

The return of TheFragile or will someone else med?

I'm watching this.

That joke had no expectations of being funny, did it?

Can you guys stop with the lame puns?

So we're resigned to being ESEA's bitch? Is that our best shot in your opinion?

Sorry but I can't wrap my head around that. And besides ETF2L has been alive and well (apart from seasonal lans, we still have insomnia tho) for as long as I can remember, and top players aren't leaving the game because "there are no lans".

You speak like TF2 is insignificant to ESEA, even if we only represent 20% of their revenue that's still 20% money lost and believe me no smart org would be letting that happen.

And if ESEA was to drop Tf2 hypothetically I am sure another org would step up and fill that gap, sure we would have some "dark ages" but after a few months everything would be fixed, now I would prefer very much a long term solution instead of limiting ourselves to this, we are better than this honestly.

Kaneco, The EU scene does not have to be be "ESEA's bitch" as you guys already have a well established alternative league which caters to every skill tier. For us here in the US, UGC doesn't really cover much more than the lower levels of play for 6s. I really don't expect the EU scene to stick around with ESEA past this season at this point anyways.

The insomnia series aren't linked to etf2l, therefore you haven't made a point at all.

if NA had a regular LAN similar to the i-series, it'd be a lot easier to justify leaving ESEA because the best players would all still get to meet up and play.

Unfortunately that's not the case over here.

But I don't segregate the scenes, I try to view it as a whole, so the american scene is also of my best interest, if tf2 was to thrive competitively it had to be as a whole, hence why I am so worried about the current state of the NA scene, you guys are getting screwed over and over and at the end of the day you're just like "meh it's the best we have we can't really change anything", much like the husband beating his wife analogy which honestly as far fetched as it is I think it fits the situation perfectly.

You're right as well about the EU scene not sticking with ESEA, and believe me I wanted it to work, if ESEA was doing its job even OK (it didn't even have to do a good job just do OK) and cared just enough about tf2 I would love it to succeed because I think it would or will benefit the EU scene in the long run, but in the current state of things and with ESEA blatantly ignoring our scene I dont think that will ever happen.

About the leagues, thats such a lazy excuse, CEVO seems to be back in full force and pretty interested in tf2. They even announced a Main division (if I remember well) earlier this season, just didn't follow through because they had no real numbers to do it. Besides Pipher seems like a really standup guy and genuinely interested in our scene (and surprise surprise Pure will play CEVO). Of course If a change of this magnitude was to happen it would need to have support from the majority of the players across all skill levels.

Even excluding CEVO there are still other options albeit harder to succeed definitely. Of course the ideal solution would be for ESEA to change its attitude regarding our scene and ultimately be more professional about it, but as someone watching from the outside, after plenty lan issues, tf2 discarded to last priority, the bitcoin fiasco, the client issues, all these dubious or polemic admin decisions I don't really have any trust in ESEA as an organization much less as a paid league.

Stop twisting my words, you understood perfectly and if you didn't, I was talking about season lans with affiliation to the league, besides the same applies to the NA scene, if ESEA was to drop us and the lans ended you would have literally dozen of local lan options which have even had tf2 tourneys in the past.

Mad at your gf because she's being a bitch, still the only pussy you can get.