12 pages of this nonsense and you people still refer to cheaters as hackers. They are not synonymous.

Also, anyone with a VAC-banned primary or alt account should be banned forever from ESEA and all the pug channels. Phrakture has a fresh ban in pug.nahl. :>

Also has been banned from pug.na for a few days now

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:( where is he

By now it should be obvious that Phrakture is committed to the "ignore it and hope it goes away" strategy.

While I don't really understand the point of having and playing with an alt for MGE, I really don't understand the point of having FOUR alts.

No, I really don't understand the point, if someone wants to explain, I would be happy to listen.

People who do that already explained why, in this thread and in thread before (eXposed one) and so on. Don't be fucking lazy and expect that people will explain stuff to you specifically - at least read previous pages.

Oh, that ELO farming was real? I thought it was a joke.

Why forever? I don't really get it... Why not do like etf2l and do a 1 year ban on 1st offence, 2 years or longer ban on second offence. In "esports" 1 year is a long time, it's like 3-4 seasons, it's basically missing an era of the game competitively, it's a huge punishment already not being able to play competitively for 1 year. You should never ban people for life on 1st offence.

And there have been plenty examples on other irl sports (ie: even cycling treats doping as 1-2 year bans and each year is not 3-4 seasons like an esport)

That's what I meant about giving people a second opportunity, sure, punish them, after all they didn't abide by the rules, but don't punish them forever. I don't even know this phrakture guy but even if the hacking is true it never warrants a lifetime ban on 1st offence.

You ban them forever because the point is not to punish cheaters but instead to permanently remove known cheaters from the community.

i think you guys need to open your eyes... if it didn't happen while on client then no one is getting banned and you can't have a community vote to ban someone from esea, thats just not how it works over at esea

lets not forget how esea functions with $$$ in mind

Aside from the fact that he has a vacc'd alt, does anyone seriously believe that he's cheated in real scrims/matches?

Don't get me wrong, cheating is dumb and should be punished and if you're gonna ban him on principal, by all means, ban him on principal, but has anyone actually watched him play a scrim/match and thought he cheated? I've never even thought of him as fishy, he's good (obviously good enough for invite) but he's not THAT good.

tl:dr phrakture is not even good

you guys think phrakture would post in this thread when all you guys would just talk shit at him. lol

OK now we know phrakture is not getting banned, can we drop this topic?

NO

what is with all these people NOT wanting invite drama ffs

honestly this thread has been waaaaaaaaay more entertaining than this season of invite so far

I think it depends on how you look at it. With a 7 team lan race, the chance to be immediately dropped into the loser's bracket (and subsequently knocked out of lan) by Mix^/iT has never been so hotly contested.

I think you all jumped the gun. If Phrakture had an account that he played on during scrims or matches and then got VAC banned, spurring him to create a new account to play on (the phrakture account), then there might be something to go off of to suggest his intentions are bad. Since, as far as I understand, the guy simply has the PW to an account that was once VACCed

Blood,

I tried to see your viewpoint. I really did. Then I read "get's" and I realized your viewpoint is flawed.

ban4life

Did you even read the thread? The account is linked to him by IP and it was used to hack in a lobby. Since he has yet to come forward and say literally anything publicly why should anyone believe otherwise? If you think hacking in a lobby is fine that's a different issue, but don't come in and say no one knows what's going on just because you don't.

i honestly don't think so, this thread was started 5 days ago and the only thing he has said the entire time in his defense was a poorly executed joke about his awful mid roll outs. if he has nothing to hide then he would own up to why he has the vac ban

I'm uncertain to why you're pussyfooting around with the wording "access to a VAC banned account," as if the account just dropped into his lap post-VAC ban. We know the reasoning behind the VAC ban is aimbot/general cheating on TF2, unless you're going to refute that his 800 dpm sniper game is legitimate. We also know that the account has been used for raising Phrakture's MGE score, if you'll look back a few pages on the thread there's screenshots of that happening as well.

The circumstances seem fairly clear. Phrakture made an alt, decided to test cheats at one point in time on the alt and got VAC banned. Ultimately, it's up to the community to decide if that is a despicable crime or not worthy of banning. But you shouldn't rush to his defense trying to say that we need to clarify who's account it is and why he has it because it's already been established.

I saw the IP link, and I saw the lobby hack. I did not see where those two were linked. Unless the lobby stats log IP (do they? I honestly might be mistaken if they do, I'm completely ignorant to what the stats log and I admit it) then saying it was him hacking in that lobby is conjecture. In fact, saying he hacked that lobby is itself conjecture. It's circumstantial. Looks bad, and I would say that player was cheating myself, but none of us KNOW.

I'm also not at all impressed by anyone's alt getting banned. Even if they came in and said "I used to cheat on an alt account in lobbies." I wouldn't care. Once it becomes a trend, once there is suspicion tied to the player, once his primary account is VACCed, all this stuff has meaning.

As of right now I see no relevance. Guy cheats on an alt. Bothers me not.

It's too late for him to say anything now. All he could say is lolicheated, get minusfragged a bunch and stay banned from a bunch of pug channels.

This mindset is upsetting. This reminds me of when beat was caught cheating in pugs and he used the excuse that his friend got on his computer and cheated. He later admitted to cheating after no one was buying the excuse. What you appear to be saying is that we should give cheaters the benefit of the doubt, no matter how absurd the excuse or circumstances may be.[/quote]

This is a valid opinion. I don't agree, but yeah.

I used that terminology because people share accounts. How many people had access to [OTR]ice? I did, and I know at least 3 others did. I'm not trying to defend the act of cheating. I'm trying to defend banning a player who has no other cause to be suspected of cheating based off what happened on his alt account. An alt is an alt for a reason.

For my money, he doesn't cheat as "Phrakture" on the Phrakture account. Until that time where we have cause to suspect he might be, I think banning him from pugs, and scorning his name based off the hard evidence that he hasn't "said anything" is bogus and jumping the gun.

But I get it, the devil's in the rafters, etc, etc...

i am [OTR]ice

How is it not plausible in your mind that a guy clearly caught to be hacking on one alt might be using them on others? If your logic of "An alt is an alt for a reason" holds up, then there should be no reason to believe that he isn't cheating on his other alts as well.

Hackers are a cancer to gaming. If someone cheats (even if its in a pub or whatever) then get the fuck out.