is this a troll post?

I know floppeh and he's a good pyro. Doesn't change the fact that pyro is so slow compared to the other classes. Good luck, I guess?

estimated team length: 72 hours

Pyro doesn't have the same mobility as a soldier. GL lol.

are you guys trying to reinvent the metagame again

Only if their demo runs full time Scottish Resistance.

Good luck finding scrims every night with that lineup.

We were going to, but this works better into our strategies.

gl with that
edit: I have no idea why anyone would want to waste money to play on a team of shitters like that

Cause we can beat teams o_0. don't judge if you never seen us play. On a different note I don't know why you're beating so hard on this. FaN works against all kinds of players.

Yes

Thing is, top level teams have tried most of the available strategies anyways. The best class lineup is already 2 soldiers 2 scouts 1 demo + medic because it's been tried time and time again. Pyro just doesn't work because decent scouts will kite him to death, especially on lots of spam infested maps like snakewater at mid.

This just isn't going to work unless you're playing shitties, THIEF is a fine FaN scout, I won't argue that any weapon can be great, but some things just don't work. I.E. scottish resistance demo, full time pyros will never work against higher level teams unless you're playing a very closed koth map like viaduct.

Don't reinvent the metagame, please. I saw how it works and I can say that it will not be pretty for you guys.

This team seems very annoying to play against as far as team composition.

I've never been a 'fan' of thief, but there's no denying that he can use the weapon really well. He works mainly in denial and distraction, the fan allowing him to get to more places and dodge rockets. I think the counter to this would be to just ignore him. With only 2 shots (and 1 used mainly to jump/dodge), he'll be outputting much less damage.

I wish people would stop giving them flack about their line-up. Let them play what they want to play. If they can make it work then obviously it works. Let them figure things out for themselves... remember that full-time spy that wanted to pay to play 6s just to try it?

Don't know any of them personally but GL.

I was their roamer for their team for about 1 1/2 months. THIEF's fan play is great to run in 6's i'm not denying that, I'm just stating that the way his previous team worked, which revolved around a SR demo, didn't work well at all, you could say all you want, but being able to output way more damage with stock launcher is unbelievably useful.

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I remember back in twl days when it died there was a team called enraged gammers and they tried this same thing with pyro only to get raped by obvious better teams....seems legit as you gotta do what you can to change the metagame....gl dudes

The only time I have seen FaN be useful was when the scout was sitting on catwalk on granary mid and completely shut one of our soldier jumps down, and on Gpit Roof at B, also shutting down jumpers. Every other time it just seems like you won't be outputting much damage, and you will get wrecked by other scouts.

But if you guys really want to go all out, I recommend the other soldier to use DH, demo to use SR or else full time demoknight.

Personally I think this team is pretty entertaining, but I don't know why you'd do it in a pay-to-play league where you will just be wrecked by most teams :\ Did you try this line-up out in UGC plat first? Cause if you don't meet with good success there, you definitely won't find any in ESEA.

no heavy and no SR, what is this some kind of joke?

They did, but got wrecked one game by a mid/high open team. Other than that was pretty decent.

this team will be drunk 24/7 cuz they be brewing up a new metagame

I wasn't on the team, neither was the pyro o_0. As far as you know you were playing with subs. Please don't trash talk the thread. We aren't using half of the silly strats you used. As far as I know nobody even practiced the strats anyways they were just sorta winged on the spot. Yes ignoring the fan is a great idea I appreciate your posts though deep. But I have ideas how to make this work.

Heavy op class.

This team tries whacky team compositions for the sake of being different. Their team "Scum" in UGC ran their roam with rocket jumper, their demo with scottish resistance, a FaN scout, and often used quickfix because no one else used it. They don't play like this because they found some undiscovered gem of an effective playstyle, they do it because it makes them unique. It's the type of hipster team that would check ESEA stats for the least used classes and weapons and then play them.

In other words, get ready to lose a lot of games that you would have otherwise won if you had played standard. Thief has been playing long enough to where he actually has good DM - he just refuses to comply to standard 6s format and it cripples them.

Sorry if this post sounds harsh, I die a little inside whenever one of the "Scum" players tell me that quick fix is overpowered and the only reason people don't use it in ESEA is because they're too lazy to learn a new medigun.

To be fair, it would work marginally better than Floppy trying to play scout

A FAN can put out 4 shots faster than a scattergun can, at essentially more damage per shot, and that's not even taking into account the scatter's slow reload speed. If you are landing hits as consistently with each weapon, it's silly to say you do "much less damage" with a FAN. Not to mention the slightly longer effective range.

As a member of a team that lost to Scum near the beginning of the UGC season (4-3 on viaduct), I'd also add that basically the only reason they beat us is that Stochastic - who was running stock scout - shit all over most of our players the entire game. Thief's point denial was somewhat effective, but he did way less damage and got far fewer frags than our demo. But I like THIEF, I used to play Pirates Vikings and Knights II with him, and I hope this new team will work better for him than his current one, which he obviously isn't entirely content with, does.

"literally have to alias to find a scrim"

no more pyro stock lineup now :(

I can think of maybe 1 or 2 situations where the FaN could be useful, and even then it's not the better option.

wheres fighter on heavy!

I was on that open team. The only person that I recognize from that roster was theif, and he was on Scottish Resistance Demo, they were cookie cutter for the most part though (no pyro).