They threatened to sue for a million then settled for $60,000?
Something tells me ESEA can afford that without much of an issue. Sigh.
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They threatened to sue for a million then settled for $60,000?
Something tells me ESEA can afford that without much of an issue. Sigh.
Something tells me ESEA can afford that without much of an issue. Sigh.
Wait what's going on here so now they officially injected malware into computers and can't even call it an accident anymore? They officially infected player's PCs to collect their data why is there even a debate about still maybe playing in that league in the future?
The butler has been confirmed the murderer, you don't keep him employed, time to get off the ship!
Wait what's going on here so now they officially injected malware into computers and can't even call it an accident anymore? They [b]officially infected player's PCs to collect their data[/b] why is there even a debate about still maybe playing in that league in the future?
The butler has been confirmed the murderer, you don't keep him employed, time to get off the ship!
The butler has been confirmed the murderer, you don't keep him employed, time to get off the ship!
I'm with Spartan, I think you're all missing the point.
Every-single-person who has ever installed the ESEA client (since who knows when), have a backdoor on their computers right now (from what people have said). So now everyone has to either dig through their computers/registrys and try to find it, or reinstall. I mean, for some people I guess they may not care about their computer security, but I am literally going to burn my old HD that had ESEA on it.
I can only hope that the players in ESEA all stop playing and unregister from Premium.
I'm with Spartan, I think you're all missing the point.
Every-single-person who has ever installed the ESEA client (since who knows when), have a backdoor on their computers right now (from what people have said). So now everyone has to either dig through their computers/registrys and try to find it, or reinstall. I mean, for some people I guess they may not care about their computer security, but I am literally going to burn my old HD that had ESEA on it.
I can only hope that the players in ESEA all stop playing and unregister from Premium.
Every-single-person who has ever installed the ESEA client (since who knows when), have a backdoor on their computers right now (from what people have said). So now everyone has to either dig through their computers/registrys and try to find it, or reinstall. I mean, for some people I guess they may not care about their computer security, but I am literally going to burn my old HD that had ESEA on it.
I can only hope that the players in ESEA all stop playing and unregister from Premium.
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=news&d=comments&id=13341
ESEA responds
(to the bitcoin stuff, not the "haha fuck you entire NA tf2 community" backdoor stuff)
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=news&d=comments&id=13341
ESEA responds
(to the bitcoin stuff, not the "haha fuck you entire NA tf2 community" backdoor stuff)
ESEA responds
(to the bitcoin stuff, not the "haha fuck you entire NA tf2 community" backdoor stuff)
Wait, I don't understand. Does this mean that ESEA is still currently running this system monitoring computers and taking bitcions to this day? Or was this an issue during Spring/Summer and the client is updated and no longer has this system on it.
Wait, I don't understand. Does this mean that ESEA is still currently running this system monitoring computers and taking bitcions to this day? Or was this an issue during Spring/Summer and the client is updated and no longer has this system on it.
I paid premium today to fulfil a sponsorship obligation but fuck me I ain't ever subscribing again.
I paid premium today to fulfil a sponsorship obligation but fuck me I ain't ever subscribing again.
harvestWait, I don't understand. Does this mean that ESEA is still currently running this system monitoring computers and taking bitcions to this day? Or was this an issue during Spring/Summer and the client is updated and no longer has this system on it.
the bitcoin mining is over. Not sure about this monitoring shit though.
[quote=harvest]Wait, I don't understand. Does this mean that ESEA is still currently running this system monitoring computers and taking bitcions to this day? Or was this an issue during Spring/Summer and the client is updated and no longer has this system on it.[/quote]
the bitcoin mining is over. Not sure about this monitoring shit though.
the bitcoin mining is over. Not sure about this monitoring shit though.
The settlement that was signed makes explicitly clear that we do not agree, nor do we admit, to any of the State of New Jersey's allegations. The press release issued by the Attorney General about our settlement represents a deep misunderstanding of the facts of the case, the nature of our business, and the technology in question.
haha were gonna pay u guys but we didnt fuck up
hmmmmm
[quote]The settlement that was signed makes explicitly clear that we do not agree, nor do we admit, to any of the State of New Jersey's allegations. The press release issued by the Attorney General about our settlement represents a deep misunderstanding of the facts of the case, the nature of our business, and the technology in question. [/quote]
haha were gonna pay u guys but we didnt fuck up
hmmmmm
haha were gonna pay u guys but we didnt fuck up
hmmmmm
Is it time for a legitimate discussion about what it would take to create and run another league(assuming through tf.tv) yet?
Is it time for a legitimate discussion about what it would take to create and run another league(assuming through tf.tv) yet?
mWe are taking steps to ensure that nothing like this can happen again. In the weeks to come, you can expect to see a notice posted on our website that provides a detailed explanation of our privacy policy in a manner that can be easily understood. Additionally, regular audits will be conducted by a third party specialist in order to ensure that we maintain a secure environment and protect your privacy.
He acts like they aren't legally required to do this, it's part of the settlement. l o l
- No later than thirty (30) days from the Effective Date, Settling Defendants shall post a
page or pages on the ESEA website to provide consumers with information about the types of data
and information ESEA collects and the manner such information and types of data are used
("Consumer Information Page"). A link to the Consumer Information Page shall be clearly and
conspicuously posted on the ESEA homepage.
- The Privacy and Security Audit Report shall be prepared by an independant third party professional who uses procedures and standards generally accepted in the profession. A person qualified to prepare the Privacy and Security Audit Report shall have a minimum of five (5) years of experience in the fields ofprivacy and data protection. All persons preparing a Privacy and Security Audit Report shall be approved by the New Jersey Offrce ofthe Attorney General, Division of Law at its sole discretion. The reporting period shall cover: (1) the first 90 days afterthe Effective Dafe;
and (2) every two year period thereafter for ten years after the Effective Date. Settling Defendants shall submit a copy of the Privacy and Security Audit Report to the Division no later than l0 business days after each reporting period.
[quote=m]We are taking steps to ensure that nothing like this can happen again. In the weeks to come, you can expect to see a notice posted on our website that provides a detailed explanation of our privacy policy in a manner that can be easily understood. Additionally, regular audits will be conducted by a third party specialist in order to ensure that we maintain a secure environment and protect your privacy.[/quote]
He acts like they aren't legally required to do this, it's part of the settlement. l o l
- No later than thirty (30) days from the Effective Date, Settling Defendants shall post a
page or pages on the ESEA website to provide consumers with information about the types of data
and information ESEA collects and the manner such information and types of data are used
("Consumer Information Page"). A link to the Consumer Information Page shall be clearly and
conspicuously posted on the ESEA homepage.
- The Privacy and Security Audit Report shall be prepared by an independant third party professional who uses procedures and standards generally accepted in the profession. A person qualified to prepare the Privacy and Security Audit Report shall have a minimum of five (5) years of experience in the fields ofprivacy and data protection. All persons preparing a Privacy and Security Audit Report shall be approved by the New Jersey Offrce ofthe Attorney General, Division of Law at its sole discretion. The reporting period shall cover: (1) the first 90 days afterthe Effective Dafe;
and (2) every two year period thereafter for ten years after the Effective Date. Settling Defendants shall submit a copy of the Privacy and Security Audit Report to the Division no later than l0 business days after each reporting period.
He acts like they aren't legally required to do this, it's part of the settlement. l o l
- No later than thirty (30) days from the Effective Date, Settling Defendants shall post a
page or pages on the ESEA website to provide consumers with information about the types of data
and information ESEA collects and the manner such information and types of data are used
("Consumer Information Page"). A link to the Consumer Information Page shall be clearly and
conspicuously posted on the ESEA homepage.
- The Privacy and Security Audit Report shall be prepared by an independant third party professional who uses procedures and standards generally accepted in the profession. A person qualified to prepare the Privacy and Security Audit Report shall have a minimum of five (5) years of experience in the fields ofprivacy and data protection. All persons preparing a Privacy and Security Audit Report shall be approved by the New Jersey Offrce ofthe Attorney General, Division of Law at its sole discretion. The reporting period shall cover: (1) the first 90 days afterthe Effective Dafe;
and (2) every two year period thereafter for ten years after the Effective Date. Settling Defendants shall submit a copy of the Privacy and Security Audit Report to the Division no later than l0 business days after each reporting period.
Do the CS players even know about the ESEA Monitoring Code? I noticed ESEA ~conveniently~ left it out of their statement.
Someone should call them out about it but I'm legitimately concerned they'll get banhammered straight off the face of ESEA
Do the CS players even know about the ESEA Monitoring Code? I noticed ESEA ~conveniently~ left it out of their statement.
Someone should call them out about it but I'm legitimately concerned they'll get banhammered straight off the face of ESEA
Someone should call them out about it but I'm legitimately concerned they'll get banhammered straight off the face of ESEA
ParagonIs it time for a legitimate discussion about what it would take to create and run another league(assuming through tf.tv) yet?
What about using CEVO? Or UGC?
[quote=Paragon]Is it time for a legitimate discussion about what it would take to create and run another league(assuming through tf.tv) yet?[/quote] What about using CEVO? Or UGC?
ParagonIs it time for a legitimate discussion about what it would take to create and run another league(assuming through tf.tv) yet?
A league is a spreadsheet, a banlist, and some form of anticheat. None of these are particularly hard to do, but to do them to the same degree and quality as ESEA would be a bit of a bitch. You would get points for not spying on people though.
[quote=Paragon]Is it time for a legitimate discussion about what it would take to create and run another league(assuming through tf.tv) yet?[/quote]
A league is a spreadsheet, a banlist, and some form of anticheat. None of these are particularly hard to do, but to do them to the same degree and quality as ESEA would be a bit of a bitch. You would get points for not spying on people though.
A league is a spreadsheet, a banlist, and some form of anticheat. None of these are particularly hard to do, but to do them to the same degree and quality as ESEA would be a bit of a bitch. You would get points for not spying on people though.
ParagonIs it time for a legitimate discussion about what it would take to create and run another league(assuming through tf.tv) yet?
as long as its through someone reputable and has a consistant set of rules and a prize pool i'd be all for it.
[quote=Paragon]Is it time for a legitimate discussion about what it would take to create and run another league(assuming through tf.tv) yet?[/quote]
as long as its through someone reputable and has a consistant set of rules and a prize pool i'd be all for it.
as long as its through someone reputable and has a consistant set of rules and a prize pool i'd be all for it.
harvestWait, I don't understand. Does this mean that ESEA is still currently running this system monitoring computers and taking bitcions to this day? Or was this an issue during Spring/Summer and the client is updated and no longer has this system on it.
It is likely that their code was removed through an ESEA client update after they were caught. It is not 100% certain that this is the case. If you want to be certain, save your pertinent files, wipe your HD, and re-install windows.
Nobody should have to 'buy a new windows key' like kissme suggests. There are freeware tools that will allow you to extract your key from your current OS (make sure you do that before the wipe if you don't know your current key).
[quote=harvest]Wait, I don't understand. Does this mean that ESEA is still currently running this system monitoring computers and taking bitcions to this day? Or was this an issue during Spring/Summer and the client is updated and no longer has this system on it.[/quote]
It is likely that their code was removed through an ESEA client update after they were caught. It is not 100% certain that this is the case. If you want to be certain, save your pertinent files, wipe your HD, and re-install windows.
Nobody should have to 'buy a new windows key' like kissme suggests. There are freeware tools that will allow you to extract your key from your current OS (make sure you do that before the wipe if you don't know your current key).
It is likely that their code was removed through an ESEA client update after they were caught. It is not 100% certain that this is the case. If you want to be certain, save your pertinent files, wipe your HD, and re-install windows.
Nobody should have to 'buy a new windows key' like kissme suggests. There are freeware tools that will allow you to extract your key from your current OS (make sure you do that before the wipe if you don't know your current key).
flatlineDo the CS players even know about the ESEA Monitoring Code? I noticed ESEA ~conveniently~ left it out of their statement.
I don't think they're aware. someone please enlighten them on the full situation because ikpane is feeding them shit.
[quote=flatline]Do the CS players even know about the ESEA Monitoring Code? I noticed ESEA ~conveniently~ left it out of their statement.[/quote]
I don't think they're aware. someone please enlighten them on the full situation because ikpane is feeding them shit.
I don't think they're aware. someone please enlighten them on the full situation because ikpane is feeding them shit.
I like how the CS players on that post are all saying things like, "wow, seems fair." and "hope you don't have to pay the full amount!"
Ugh.
I like how the CS players on that post are all saying things like, "wow, seems fair." and "hope you don't have to pay the full amount!"
Ugh.
Ugh.
Waldohttp://puu.sh/5nwOJ.png
This could be interesting
Wait I live in NJ. Does that mean I can't play in ESEA?
[quote=Waldo][img]http://puu.sh/5nwOJ.png[/img]
This could be interesting[/quote]
Wait I live in NJ. Does that mean I can't play in ESEA?
This could be interesting[/quote]
Wait I live in NJ. Does that mean I can't play in ESEA?
smakersI like how the CS players on that post are all saying things like, "wow, seems fair." and "hope you don't have to pay the full amount!"
Ugh.
Pretty sure they don't know about the monitoring code
[quote=smakers]I like how the CS players on that post are all saying things like, "wow, seems fair." and "hope you don't have to pay the full amount!"
Ugh.[/quote]
Pretty sure they don't know about the monitoring code
Ugh.[/quote]
Pretty sure they don't know about the monitoring code
DaggerflatlineDo the CS players even know about the ESEA Monitoring Code? I noticed ESEA ~conveniently~ left it out of their statement.
I don't think they're aware. someone please enlighten them on the full situation because ikpane is feeding them shit.
There's discussion on /r/GlobalOffensive on this, and they've been talking about this for a while
[quote=Dagger][quote=flatline]Do the CS players even know about the ESEA Monitoring Code? I noticed ESEA ~conveniently~ left it out of their statement.[/quote]
I don't think they're aware. someone please enlighten them on the full situation because ikpane is feeding them shit.[/quote]
There's discussion on /r/GlobalOffensive on this, and they've been talking about this for a while
[url=http://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/1qzqyt/esports_entertainment_settles_user_spying_bitcoin/]Discussion on Today's settlement[/url]
[url=http://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/1mo64y/update_esea_lawsuit/]An update from 2 months ago on the California Lawsuit.[/url]
I don't think they're aware. someone please enlighten them on the full situation because ikpane is feeding them shit.[/quote]
There's discussion on /r/GlobalOffensive on this, and they've been talking about this for a while
[url=http://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/1qzqyt/esports_entertainment_settles_user_spying_bitcoin/]Discussion on Today's settlement[/url]
[url=http://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/1mo64y/update_esea_lawsuit/]An update from 2 months ago on the California Lawsuit.[/url]
Someone please explain to me why a LAN is so fucking important. 95% of everyone that plays doesn't go to it. Open finals doesn't go to LAN. IM finals doesn't go to LAN. Only invite goes to LAN.
Does the community simply not have the dedication to actually join CEVO? CEVO has a prize pot. It doesn't have an entry fee. It doesn't have premium. Why the fuck does not having a LAN suddenly invalidate all of this?
Someone please explain to me why a LAN is so fucking important. 95% of everyone that plays doesn't go to it. Open finals doesn't go to LAN. IM finals doesn't go to LAN. Only invite goes to LAN.
Does the community simply not have the dedication to actually join CEVO? CEVO has a prize pot. It doesn't have an entry fee. It doesn't have premium. Why the fuck does not having a LAN suddenly invalidate all of this?
Does the community simply not have the dedication to actually join CEVO? CEVO has a prize pot. It doesn't have an entry fee. It doesn't have premium. Why the fuck does not having a LAN suddenly invalidate all of this?
If anyone is seriously considering starting a new league, I'd like to make a suggestion:
Don't make it a free league. Free league after free league has popped up, but none have really attracted top level competition. If a paid league gets started and the top players play it instead of ESEA, the others will follow and it might actually get enough money to host a lan/modest prize money.
If anyone is seriously considering starting a new league, I'd like to make a suggestion:
Don't make it a free league. Free league after free league has popped up, but none have really attracted top level competition. If a paid league gets started and the top players play it instead of ESEA, the others will follow and it might actually get enough money to host a lan/modest prize money.
Don't make it a free league. Free league after free league has popped up, but none have really attracted top level competition. If a paid league gets started and the top players play it instead of ESEA, the others will follow and it might actually get enough money to host a lan/modest prize money.
WariSomeone please explain to me why a LAN is so fucking important. 95% of everyone that plays doesn't go to it. Open finals doesn't go to LAN. IM finals doesn't go to LAN. Only invite goes to LAN.
Does the community simply not have the dedication to actually join CEVO? CEVO has a prize pot. It doesn't have an entry fee. It doesn't have premium. Why the fuck does not having a LAN suddenly invalidate all of this?
LAN keeps the top players going (Players have said this many times), without the top players the scene is dead. Simple as that. New leagues have never failed to get low-level players, but if low level players join a league the high level players won't necessarily join it, however, if the high level players join a league the low level players will most likely flock to it.
[quote=Wari]Someone please explain to me why a LAN is so fucking important. 95% of everyone that plays doesn't go to it. Open finals doesn't go to LAN. IM finals doesn't go to LAN. Only invite goes to LAN.
Does the community simply not have the dedication to actually join CEVO? CEVO has a prize pot. It doesn't have an entry fee. It doesn't have premium. Why the fuck does not having a LAN suddenly invalidate all of this?[/quote]
LAN keeps the top players going (Players have said this many times), without the top players the scene is dead. Simple as that. New leagues have never failed to get low-level players, but if low level players join a league the high level players won't necessarily join it, however, if the high level players join a league the low level players will most likely flock to it.
Does the community simply not have the dedication to actually join CEVO? CEVO has a prize pot. It doesn't have an entry fee. It doesn't have premium. Why the fuck does not having a LAN suddenly invalidate all of this?[/quote]
LAN keeps the top players going (Players have said this many times), without the top players the scene is dead. Simple as that. New leagues have never failed to get low-level players, but if low level players join a league the high level players won't necessarily join it, however, if the high level players join a league the low level players will most likely flock to it.
How about this
You get rid of lan, and marvel at how people who have spent 4k hours on this game don't quit
How about this
You get rid of lan, and marvel at how people who have spent 4k hours on this game don't quit
You get rid of lan, and marvel at how people who have spent 4k hours on this game don't quit
mMain-in-the-BoxDo you really trust the ESEA client after this?
i think the bigger question is
do you really think the people who run esea client would try anything like this again?
well
lpkane has nothing to do with client dev, he does web stuff/lives on his mansion yacht castle
ive known the new ac hire since i was 13 and he is pure like a snowflake
[quote=m][quote=Main-in-the-Box]
Do you really trust the ESEA client after this?[/quote]
i think the bigger question is
do you really think the people who run esea client would try anything like this again?[/quote]
well
lpkane has nothing to do with client dev, he does web stuff/lives on his mansion yacht castle
ive known the new ac hire since i was 13 and he is pure like a snowflake
Do you really trust the ESEA client after this?[/quote]
i think the bigger question is
do you really think the people who run esea client would try anything like this again?[/quote]
well
lpkane has nothing to do with client dev, he does web stuff/lives on his mansion yacht castle
ive known the new ac hire since i was 13 and he is pure like a snowflake
Referenced post #31 by flatline
So you're just going to fail to mention the ESEA Monitoring Code?
"- The ESEA Monitoring Code monitored computer activity even
when end-users were not using ESEA services...
Read More
#31 expecting state officials to comprehend an anti-cheat client is... well, interesting
how exactly do you think the client catches cheaters?
here we go
edit: shit i'm really bad at this "calling people out" thing
SO NOW he basically told me to talk to the hand.
yepokthatsbusinesslike
[quote]Referenced post #31 by flatline
So you're just going to fail to mention the ESEA Monitoring Code?
"- The ESEA Monitoring Code monitored computer activity even
when end-users were not using ESEA services...
Read More
#31 expecting state officials to comprehend an anti-cheat client is... well, interesting
how exactly do you think the client catches cheaters?[/quote]
[i]here we go[/i]
edit: shit i'm really bad at this "calling people out" thing
SO NOW he basically told me to talk to the hand.
yepokthatsbusinesslike
So you're just going to fail to mention the ESEA Monitoring Code?
"- The ESEA Monitoring Code monitored computer activity even
when end-users were not using ESEA services...
Read More
#31 expecting state officials to comprehend an anti-cheat client is... well, interesting
how exactly do you think the client catches cheaters?[/quote]
[i]here we go[/i]
edit: shit i'm really bad at this "calling people out" thing
SO NOW he basically told me to talk to the hand.
yepokthatsbusinesslike
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