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HildrethWARHURYEAHThe good thing with ESEA is that there was a zero tolerance rule in some areas, with ETF2L all the admins just seem scared to make a decision (Nations cup final, Sweden get ddos, Germans take default, admins do nothing to reschedule game)
What are you on about? Not making a decision to reschedule the game is as tough a decision to make as rescheduling the game. I can't really say whether or not it was the CORRECT decision without the details but every choice made it for a good reason, a game like Sweden v Germany would have had a long in depth discussion involving the decision.
ESEA's zero tolerance policy is part of the reason why:
1) One of the best teams in NA Invite dropped from the league.
2) Why some European teams have dropped.
Zero tolerance for particular rules is necessary, but common sense needs to apply. For example why do you think we have warnings in ETF2L? To keep teams in check and on schedule but if a team cannot remain on schedule they have a safety blanket of a Wildcard and at worst, they will get a minor warning (accumulate 3 per season and you lose a point). If ESEA had run something similiar, Watch This would still be in Invite.
Allowing a team to take a default win in a very big match to me is stupid, an admin could have just said "reschedule this, take extra precautions" but no, everyone showed up to watch a game with Sweden vs. Germany and we got fuck all, on top of that we had the giant swe vs. ger fallout without any admin support. I'm not praising the ESEA way in zero tolerance 100% but it areas it is very good, match scheduling in ETF2L is a giant pain in the fucking arse because team can just fuck up schedules with retarded Wildcard usage, I'm not saying it's good in all areas but ETF2L really needs to adopt a more strict policy that actually benefits team making the effort.
[quote=Hildreth][quote=WARHURYEAH]The good thing with ESEA is that there was a zero tolerance rule in some areas, with ETF2L all the admins just seem scared to make a decision (Nations cup final, Sweden get ddos, Germans take default, admins do nothing to reschedule game)[/quote]
What are you on about? Not making a decision to reschedule the game is as tough a decision to make as rescheduling the game. I can't really say whether or not it was the CORRECT decision without the details but every choice made it for a good reason, a game like Sweden v Germany would have had a long in depth discussion involving the decision.
ESEA's zero tolerance policy is part of the reason why:
1) One of the best teams in NA Invite dropped from the league.
2) Why some European teams have dropped.
Zero tolerance for particular rules is necessary, but common sense needs to apply. For example why do you think we have warnings in ETF2L? To keep teams in check and on schedule but if a team cannot remain on schedule they have a safety blanket of a Wildcard and at worst, they will get a minor warning (accumulate 3 per season and you lose a point). If ESEA had run something similiar, Watch This would still be in Invite.[/quote]
Allowing a team to take a default win in a very big match to me is stupid, an admin could have just said "reschedule this, take extra precautions" but no, everyone showed up to watch a game with Sweden vs. Germany and we got fuck all, on top of that we had the giant swe vs. ger fallout without any admin support. I'm not praising the ESEA way in zero tolerance 100% but it areas it is very good, match scheduling in ETF2L is a giant pain in the fucking arse because team can just fuck up schedules with retarded Wildcard usage, I'm not saying it's good in all areas but ETF2L really needs to adopt a more strict policy that actually benefits team making the effort.
What are you on about? Not making a decision to reschedule the game is as tough a decision to make as rescheduling the game. I can't really say whether or not it was the CORRECT decision without the details but every choice made it for a good reason, a game like Sweden v Germany would have had a long in depth discussion involving the decision.
ESEA's zero tolerance policy is part of the reason why:
1) One of the best teams in NA Invite dropped from the league.
2) Why some European teams have dropped.
Zero tolerance for particular rules is necessary, but common sense needs to apply. For example why do you think we have warnings in ETF2L? To keep teams in check and on schedule but if a team cannot remain on schedule they have a safety blanket of a Wildcard and at worst, they will get a minor warning (accumulate 3 per season and you lose a point). If ESEA had run something similiar, Watch This would still be in Invite.[/quote]
Allowing a team to take a default win in a very big match to me is stupid, an admin could have just said "reschedule this, take extra precautions" but no, everyone showed up to watch a game with Sweden vs. Germany and we got fuck all, on top of that we had the giant swe vs. ger fallout without any admin support. I'm not praising the ESEA way in zero tolerance 100% but it areas it is very good, match scheduling in ETF2L is a giant pain in the fucking arse because team can just fuck up schedules with retarded Wildcard usage, I'm not saying it's good in all areas but ETF2L really needs to adopt a more strict policy that actually benefits team making the effort.
WARHURYEAHThe good thing with ESEA is that there was a zero tolerance rule in some areas, with ETF2L all the admins just seem scared to make a decision (Nations cup final, Sweden get ddos, Germans take default, admins do nothing to reschedule game)
WARHURYEAHAllowing a team to take a default win in a very big match to me is stupid, an admin could have just said "reschedule this, take extra precautions" but no, everyone showed up to watch a game with Sweden vs. Germany and we got fuck all, on top of that we had the giant swe vs. ger fallout without any admin support. I'm not praising the ESEA way in zero tolerance 100% but it areas it is very good, match scheduling in ETF2L is a giant pain in the fucking arse because team can just fuck up schedules with retarded Wildcard usage, I'm not saying it's good in all areas but ETF2L really needs to adopt a more strict policy that actually benefits team making the effort.
I think that is the worst possible example for your case, because imho zero-tolerance/stricter rules would have been exactly that: schedule stands, match has to be played, if Sweden can't play, their problem.
[quote=WARHURYEAH]The good thing with ESEA is that there was a zero tolerance rule in some areas, with ETF2L all the admins just seem scared to make a decision (Nations cup final, Sweden get ddos, Germans take default, admins do nothing to reschedule game)[/quote]
[quote=WARHURYEAH]
Allowing a team to take a default win in a very big match to me is stupid, an admin could have just said "reschedule this, take extra precautions" but no, everyone showed up to watch a game with Sweden vs. Germany and we got fuck all, on top of that we had the giant swe vs. ger fallout without any admin support. I'm not praising the ESEA way in zero tolerance 100% but it areas it is very good, match scheduling in ETF2L is a giant pain in the fucking arse because team can just fuck up schedules with retarded Wildcard usage, I'm not saying it's good in all areas but ETF2L really needs to adopt a more strict policy that actually benefits team making the effort.[/quote]
I think that is the worst possible example for your case, because imho zero-tolerance/stricter rules would have been exactly that: schedule stands, match has to be played, if Sweden can't play, their problem.
[quote=WARHURYEAH]
Allowing a team to take a default win in a very big match to me is stupid, an admin could have just said "reschedule this, take extra precautions" but no, everyone showed up to watch a game with Sweden vs. Germany and we got fuck all, on top of that we had the giant swe vs. ger fallout without any admin support. I'm not praising the ESEA way in zero tolerance 100% but it areas it is very good, match scheduling in ETF2L is a giant pain in the fucking arse because team can just fuck up schedules with retarded Wildcard usage, I'm not saying it's good in all areas but ETF2L really needs to adopt a more strict policy that actually benefits team making the effort.[/quote]
I think that is the worst possible example for your case, because imho zero-tolerance/stricter rules would have been exactly that: schedule stands, match has to be played, if Sweden can't play, their problem.
I dream of one league for both scenes with one official casting organization.
I dream of one league for both scenes with one official casting organization.
First of all, hello everyone, first time posting here.
It's not really my place to tell you what you guys/girls should do with all this ESEA crap behind you, but something has been bugging me since all this shitstorm started.
If I am not mistaken, there are several initiatives going around, some of them involve making another competitive TF2 league. If I am not mistaken, some of the people involved into this are people with good standing in NA scene, which is a great start. However, I believe that making another league is not a task, but a damn Odyssey and therefore (in my opinion) it will be a huge, huge mistake, because I don't see it happening.
The reasons behind this thinking is that I think most people here don't realize the amount of work it takes to create something like that. Not only to create, but to keep it going steadily until TF2 finally dies. There is definitely enough volunteers at this moment, as people are hyped and "stuff is happening maaan", but please be realistic, try to look out of your own frame and understand that 80% of that same workforce will vanish in thin air in a matter of months.
Creating a league is a huge task, especially if you plan to make it a #1 NA league. Admittedly I never involved myself into something like that, but becoming a part of ETF2L admin group several months ago gave me a different perspective, the one behind the scene. Some admins literally put hours and hours of non-payed work, whilst still being an active part of the community and in most cases even playing in the league itself. It's a tremendous amount of work, something I am certain every TF2 admin can confirm, from Wireplay, UGC, ETF2L to even ESEA.
Instead of making another league, I suggest joining the alternatives that actually came forward these days to the NA community - CEVO and ETF2L. As I am definitely biased I won't speak about I/ETF2L, but CEVO guys at least look serious and willing enough to make some serious changes in NA TF2. At least both orgs have an admin team in waiting for NA scene to decide. Don't run into the fog like blindmen because everything is pumped up to the maximum (f.e. five forum topics about the same thing, more or less), and for god's sake stop asking Enigma to become a TF2 Jesus and save everything.
Just be patient and pick wisely.
gl hf
First of all, hello everyone, first time posting here.
It's not really my place to tell you what you guys/girls should do with all this ESEA crap behind you, but something has been bugging me since all this shitstorm started.
If I am not mistaken, there are several initiatives going around, some of them involve making another competitive TF2 league. If I am not mistaken, some of the people involved into this are people with good standing in NA scene, which is a great start. However, I believe that making another league is not a task, but a damn Odyssey and therefore (in my opinion) it will be a huge, huge mistake, because I don't see it happening.
The reasons behind this thinking is that I think most people here don't realize the amount of work it takes to create something like that. Not only to create, but to keep it going steadily until TF2 finally dies. There is definitely enough volunteers at this moment, as people are hyped and "stuff is happening maaan", but please be realistic, try to look out of your own frame and understand that 80% of that same workforce will vanish in thin air in a matter of months.
Creating a league is a huge task, especially if you plan to make it a #1 NA league. Admittedly I never involved myself into something like that, but becoming a part of ETF2L admin group several months ago gave me a different perspective, the one behind the scene. Some admins literally put hours and hours of non-payed work, whilst still being an active part of the community and in most cases even playing in the league itself. It's a tremendous amount of work, something I am certain every TF2 admin can confirm, from Wireplay, UGC, ETF2L to even ESEA.
Instead of making another league, I suggest joining the alternatives that actually came forward these days to the NA community - CEVO and ETF2L. As I am definitely biased I won't speak about I/ETF2L, but CEVO guys at least look serious and willing enough to make some serious changes in NA TF2. At least both orgs have an admin team in waiting for NA scene to decide. Don't run into the fog like blindmen because everything is pumped up to the maximum (f.e. five forum topics about the same thing, more or less), and for god's sake stop asking Enigma to become a TF2 Jesus and save everything.
Just be patient and pick wisely.
gl hf
It's not really my place to tell you what you guys/girls should do with all this ESEA crap behind you, but something has been bugging me since all this shitstorm started.
If I am not mistaken, there are several initiatives going around, some of them involve making another competitive TF2 league. If I am not mistaken, some of the people involved into this are people with good standing in NA scene, which is a great start. However, I believe that making another league is not a task, but a damn Odyssey and therefore (in my opinion) it will be a huge, huge mistake, because I don't see it happening.
The reasons behind this thinking is that I think most people here don't realize the amount of work it takes to create something like that. Not only to create, but to keep it going steadily until TF2 finally dies. There is definitely enough volunteers at this moment, as people are hyped and "stuff is happening maaan", but please be realistic, try to look out of your own frame and understand that 80% of that same workforce will vanish in thin air in a matter of months.
Creating a league is a huge task, especially if you plan to make it a #1 NA league. Admittedly I never involved myself into something like that, but becoming a part of ETF2L admin group several months ago gave me a different perspective, the one behind the scene. Some admins literally put hours and hours of non-payed work, whilst still being an active part of the community and in most cases even playing in the league itself. It's a tremendous amount of work, something I am certain every TF2 admin can confirm, from Wireplay, UGC, ETF2L to even ESEA.
Instead of making another league, I suggest joining the alternatives that actually came forward these days to the NA community - CEVO and ETF2L. As I am definitely biased I won't speak about I/ETF2L, but CEVO guys at least look serious and willing enough to make some serious changes in NA TF2. At least both orgs have an admin team in waiting for NA scene to decide. Don't run into the fog like blindmen because everything is pumped up to the maximum (f.e. five forum topics about the same thing, more or less), and for god's sake stop asking Enigma to become a TF2 Jesus and save everything.
Just be patient and pick wisely.
gl hf
I like the 2 map a week thing, but I also like having 2 matches a week. Would it be possible to look into this format?
Also, considering that most people want to switch to ETF2L (with CEVO close behind), a new league isn't going to work, which means that what IARENOBODY's team was planning is likely pointless. However, would you consider bringing them on board to improve the league? I would be down to admin, but if someone more qualified wants to do it, then (s)he is probably a better bet, as long as the admin is North American.
I like the 2 map a week thing, but I also like having 2 matches a week. Would it be possible to look into this format?
Also, considering that most people want to switch to ETF2L (with CEVO close behind), a new league isn't going to work, which means that what IARENOBODY's team was planning is likely pointless. However, would you consider bringing them on board to improve the league? I would be down to admin, but if someone more qualified wants to do it, then (s)he is probably a better bet, as long as the admin is North American.
Also, considering that most people want to switch to ETF2L (with CEVO close behind), a new league isn't going to work, which means that what IARENOBODY's team was planning is likely pointless. However, would you consider bringing them on board to improve the league? I would be down to admin, but if someone more qualified wants to do it, then (s)he is probably a better bet, as long as the admin is North American.
hookyI like the 2 map a week thing, but I also like having 2 matches a week. Would it be possible to look into this format?
Once the week schedules are out there's nothing to stop you from scheduling two matches a week. ETF2L just tells you who you have to play against.
[quote=hooky]I like the 2 map a week thing, but I also like having 2 matches a week. Would it be possible to look into this format?[/quote]
Once the week schedules are out there's nothing to stop you from scheduling two matches a week. ETF2L just tells you who you have to play against.
Once the week schedules are out there's nothing to stop you from scheduling two matches a week. ETF2L just tells you who you have to play against.
hookyI like the 2 map a week thing, but I also like having 2 matches a week. Would it be possible to look into this format?
Also, considering that most people want to switch to ETF2L (with CEVO close behind), a new league isn't going to work, which means that what IARENOBODY's team was planning is likely pointless. However, would you consider bringing them on board to improve the league? I would be down to admin, but if someone more qualified wants to do it, then (s)he is probably a better bet, as long as the admin is North American.
Perm has already said that if a NA ETF2L was to happen they would need 3-4 volunteers for the admin team. CEVO would likely need someone to help I think.
Making a league maybe would be a great option but it's a monster of a task right now, making a league from the ground up is a steep mountain to clim.
Also, how do you want 2 matches a week with 2 maps each if people were complaining that even 1 map per week was too much? Essentially how the EU ruleset works is exactly like that, it's 2 maps in 1 match because it is exactly 2 matches in 1 so to say, if you win both maps you get 6 points, if you lose 1 map and win another you get 3 points and another team gets 3 points as well, just as any game of football (soccer) would be in terms of points.
[quote=hooky]I like the 2 map a week thing, but I also like having 2 matches a week. Would it be possible to look into this format?
Also, considering that most people want to switch to ETF2L (with CEVO close behind), a new league isn't going to work, which means that what IARENOBODY's team was planning is likely pointless. However, would you consider bringing them on board to improve the league? I would be down to admin, but if someone more qualified wants to do it, then (s)he is probably a better bet, as long as the admin is North American.[/quote]
Perm has already said that if a NA ETF2L was to happen they would need 3-4 volunteers for the admin team. CEVO would likely need someone to help I think.
Making a league maybe would be a great option but it's a monster of a task right now, making a league from the ground up is a steep mountain to clim.
Also, how do you want 2 matches a week with 2 maps each if people were complaining that even 1 map per week was too much? Essentially how the EU ruleset works is exactly like that, it's 2 maps in 1 match because it is exactly 2 matches in 1 so to say, if you win both maps you get 6 points, if you lose 1 map and win another you get 3 points and another team gets 3 points as well, just as any game of football (soccer) would be in terms of points.
Also, considering that most people want to switch to ETF2L (with CEVO close behind), a new league isn't going to work, which means that what IARENOBODY's team was planning is likely pointless. However, would you consider bringing them on board to improve the league? I would be down to admin, but if someone more qualified wants to do it, then (s)he is probably a better bet, as long as the admin is North American.[/quote]
Perm has already said that if a NA ETF2L was to happen they would need 3-4 volunteers for the admin team. CEVO would likely need someone to help I think.
Making a league maybe would be a great option but it's a monster of a task right now, making a league from the ground up is a steep mountain to clim.
Also, how do you want 2 matches a week with 2 maps each if people were complaining that even 1 map per week was too much? Essentially how the EU ruleset works is exactly like that, it's 2 maps in 1 match because it is exactly 2 matches in 1 so to say, if you win both maps you get 6 points, if you lose 1 map and win another you get 3 points and another team gets 3 points as well, just as any game of football (soccer) would be in terms of points.
ArcadehookyI like the 2 map a week thing, but I also like having 2 matches a week. Would it be possible to look into this format?
Once the week schedules are out there's nothing to stop you from scheduling two matches a week. ETF2L just tells you who you have to play against.
I meant split the maps up into 2 matches against different teams.
[quote=Arcade][quote=hooky]I like the 2 map a week thing, but I also like having 2 matches a week. Would it be possible to look into this format?[/quote]
Once the week schedules are out there's nothing to stop you from scheduling two matches a week. ETF2L just tells you who you have to play against.[/quote]
I meant split the maps up into 2 matches against different teams.
Once the week schedules are out there's nothing to stop you from scheduling two matches a week. ETF2L just tells you who you have to play against.[/quote]
I meant split the maps up into 2 matches against different teams.
hookyArcadeI meant split the maps up into 2 matches against different teams.hookyI like the 2 map a week thing, but I also like having 2 matches a week. Would it be possible to look into this format?
Once the week schedules are out there's nothing to stop you from scheduling two matches a week. ETF2L just tells you who you have to play against.
It has been said before that's impossible atm due to limitations with the website, the backend is a bit of a clusterfuck and the system is designed with this ruleset in mind.
I don't know if splitting the maps against different teams would be doable or even worth it? Whats the point after all? You end up playing all the same matches at the end, just end up having double the effort scheduling double the officials than what you have now.
[quote=hooky][quote=Arcade][quote=hooky]I like the 2 map a week thing, but I also like having 2 matches a week. Would it be possible to look into this format?[/quote]
Once the week schedules are out there's nothing to stop you from scheduling two matches a week. ETF2L just tells you who you have to play against.[/quote]
I meant split the maps up into 2 matches against different teams.[/quote]
It has been said before that's impossible atm due to limitations with the website, the backend is a bit of a clusterfuck and the system is designed with this ruleset in mind.
I don't know if splitting the maps against different teams would be doable or even worth it? Whats the point after all? You end up playing all the same matches at the end, just end up having double the effort scheduling double the officials than what you have now.
Once the week schedules are out there's nothing to stop you from scheduling two matches a week. ETF2L just tells you who you have to play against.[/quote]
I meant split the maps up into 2 matches against different teams.[/quote]
It has been said before that's impossible atm due to limitations with the website, the backend is a bit of a clusterfuck and the system is designed with this ruleset in mind.
I don't know if splitting the maps against different teams would be doable or even worth it? Whats the point after all? You end up playing all the same matches at the end, just end up having double the effort scheduling double the officials than what you have now.
Just to clarify: One map per week is perfectly possible in ETF2L. What is not possible is to quickly implement an ESEA-style swiss system or a league system where each team plays each team twice per season.
Just to clarify: One map per week is perfectly possible in ETF2L. What is not possible is to quickly implement an ESEA-style swiss system or a league system where each team plays each team twice per season.
Lets get the ball rolling. We're looking for about 4 League Admins to join ETF2L to run the NA Divison.
Please look here and here for what we expect of you and how to apply.
Obviously we're looking for well respected members of the community, who have a desire to help run the league. It doesn't require a huge amount of time, but you're volunteering to help out of your own free time so we would like people dedicated to this to apply.
In other news, the season will most likely run alongside EU 6v6 Season 17, which will start late January/early February.
Lets get the ball rolling. We're looking for about 4 League Admins to join ETF2L to run the NA Divison.
Please look [url=http://etf2l.org/etf2l/jobs/league-admin/]here[/url] and [url=http://etf2l.org/etf2l/jobs/]here[/url] for what we expect of you and how to apply.
Obviously we're looking for well respected members of the community, who have a desire to help run the league. It doesn't require a huge amount of time, but you're volunteering to help out of your own free time so we would like people dedicated to this to apply.
In other news, the season will most likely run alongside EU 6v6 Season 17, which will start late January/early February.
Please look [url=http://etf2l.org/etf2l/jobs/league-admin/]here[/url] and [url=http://etf2l.org/etf2l/jobs/]here[/url] for what we expect of you and how to apply.
Obviously we're looking for well respected members of the community, who have a desire to help run the league. It doesn't require a huge amount of time, but you're volunteering to help out of your own free time so we would like people dedicated to this to apply.
In other news, the season will most likely run alongside EU 6v6 Season 17, which will start late January/early February.
PermzillaLets get the ball rolling. We're looking for about 4 League Admins to join ETF2L to run the NA Divison.
Please look here and here for what we expect of you and how to apply.
Obviously we're looking for well respected members of the community, who have a desire to help run the league. It doesn't require a huge amount of time, but you're volunteering to help out of your own free time so we would like people dedicated to this to apply.
In other news, the season will most likely run alongside EU 6v6 Season 17, which will start late January/early February.
I'll shoot you an email, but would you us link you to ESEA stats instead of your forums, since there would be more info? If so, before I link it I would like to say that the ban was for saying that people should leave ESEA and go to ETF2L/Cevo
[quote=Permzilla]Lets get the ball rolling. We're looking for about 4 League Admins to join ETF2L to run the NA Divison.
Please look [url=http://etf2l.org/etf2l/jobs/league-admin/]here[/url] and [url=http://etf2l.org/etf2l/jobs/]here[/url] for what we expect of you and how to apply.
Obviously we're looking for well respected members of the community, who have a desire to help run the league. It doesn't require a huge amount of time, but you're volunteering to help out of your own free time so we would like people dedicated to this to apply.
In other news, the season will most likely run alongside EU 6v6 Season 17, which will start late January/early February.[/quote]
I'll shoot you an email, but would you us link you to ESEA stats instead of your forums, since there would be more info? If so, before I link it I would like to say that the ban was for saying that people should leave ESEA and go to ETF2L/Cevo
Please look [url=http://etf2l.org/etf2l/jobs/league-admin/]here[/url] and [url=http://etf2l.org/etf2l/jobs/]here[/url] for what we expect of you and how to apply.
Obviously we're looking for well respected members of the community, who have a desire to help run the league. It doesn't require a huge amount of time, but you're volunteering to help out of your own free time so we would like people dedicated to this to apply.
In other news, the season will most likely run alongside EU 6v6 Season 17, which will start late January/early February.[/quote]
I'll shoot you an email, but would you us link you to ESEA stats instead of your forums, since there would be more info? If so, before I link it I would like to say that the ban was for saying that people should leave ESEA and go to ETF2L/Cevo
FzeroPermzillaLets get the ball rolling. We're looking for about 4 League Admins to join ETF2L to run the NA Divison.
Please look here and here for what we expect of you and how to apply.
Obviously we're looking for well respected members of the community, who have a desire to help run the league. It doesn't require a huge amount of time, but you're volunteering to help out of your own free time so we would like people dedicated to this to apply.
In other news, the season will most likely run alongside EU 6v6 Season 17, which will start late January/early February.
I'll shoot you an email, but would you us link you to ESEA stats instead of your forums, since there would be more info? If so, before I link it I would like to say that the ban was for saying that people should leave ESEA and go to ETF2L/Cevo
ESEA Link/ETF2L link/Steam Profile would all be nice to know.
[quote=Fzero][quote=Permzilla]Lets get the ball rolling. We're looking for about 4 League Admins to join ETF2L to run the NA Divison.
Please look [url=http://etf2l.org/etf2l/jobs/league-admin/]here[/url] and [url=http://etf2l.org/etf2l/jobs/]here[/url] for what we expect of you and how to apply.
Obviously we're looking for well respected members of the community, who have a desire to help run the league. It doesn't require a huge amount of time, but you're volunteering to help out of your own free time so we would like people dedicated to this to apply.
In other news, the season will most likely run alongside EU 6v6 Season 17, which will start late January/early February.[/quote]
I'll shoot you an email, but would you us link you to ESEA stats instead of your forums, since there would be more info? If so, before I link it I would like to say that the ban was for saying that people should leave ESEA and go to ETF2L/Cevo[/quote]
ESEA Link/ETF2L link/Steam Profile would all be nice to know.
Please look [url=http://etf2l.org/etf2l/jobs/league-admin/]here[/url] and [url=http://etf2l.org/etf2l/jobs/]here[/url] for what we expect of you and how to apply.
Obviously we're looking for well respected members of the community, who have a desire to help run the league. It doesn't require a huge amount of time, but you're volunteering to help out of your own free time so we would like people dedicated to this to apply.
In other news, the season will most likely run alongside EU 6v6 Season 17, which will start late January/early February.[/quote]
I'll shoot you an email, but would you us link you to ESEA stats instead of your forums, since there would be more info? If so, before I link it I would like to say that the ban was for saying that people should leave ESEA and go to ETF2L/Cevo[/quote]
ESEA Link/ETF2L link/Steam Profile would all be nice to know.
I thought the entire reason why ETF2L didn't switch from 2 maps per week to 1 map per week is because they couldn't figure out how to code their website to make that happen? lol
I thought the entire reason why ETF2L didn't switch from 2 maps per week to 1 map per week is because they couldn't figure out how to code their website to make that happen? lol
MR_SLINcouldn't figure out
More like impossible without serious overhaul
[quote=MR_SLIN]couldn't figure out[/quote]
More like impossible without serious overhaul
More like impossible without serious overhaul
Noona said he'd do it. He runs the newbie mixes and seems sound.
Noona said he'd do it. He runs the newbie mixes and seems sound.
Permzilla,
I'm willing to be an admin for the new NA division if you are hurting to find candidates. I think I have the qualifications that you are looking for in post #162.
Permzilla,
I'm willing to be an admin for the new NA division if you are hurting to find candidates. I think I have the qualifications that you are looking for in post #162.
I'm willing to be an admin for the new NA division if you are hurting to find candidates. I think I have the qualifications that you are looking for in post #162.
DroidsterHalf the community want a tf.tv league but enigma says he's not interested in doing that, and the other half want ETF2L where the admins are interested. It might sound like a strange suggestion but it addresses some of the problems with ETF2L brought up earlier in the thread. How about an ETF2L and NA ETF2L merger with tf.tv so all the coverage and infrastructure for a league is together, ETF2L has everything needed to run a couple of leagues and tf.tv has the casting capabilities and the sponsorship potential.
League.tf or Ladder.tf, Oh and hooky! It's what ever the community wants. If the community wants a new league I will help make it, if the community wants to go to ETF2L then that's fine by me. I'm just here to help if anyone needs anything.
[quote=Droidster]Half the community want a tf.tv league but enigma says he's not interested in doing that, and the other half want ETF2L where the admins are interested. It might sound like a strange suggestion but it addresses some of the problems with ETF2L brought up earlier in the thread. How about an ETF2L and NA ETF2L merger with tf.tv so all the coverage and infrastructure for a league is together, ETF2L has everything needed to run a couple of leagues and tf.tv has the casting capabilities and the sponsorship potential.[/quote]
League.tf or Ladder.tf, Oh and hooky! It's what ever the community wants. If the community wants a new league I will help make it, if the community wants to go to ETF2L then that's fine by me. I'm just here to help if anyone needs anything.
League.tf or Ladder.tf, Oh and hooky! It's what ever the community wants. If the community wants a new league I will help make it, if the community wants to go to ETF2L then that's fine by me. I'm just here to help if anyone needs anything.
we need fully charged episode for these kinda discussion
we need fully charged episode for these kinda discussion
maidoswe need fully charged episode for these kinda discussion
where is cbear when you need him
[quote=maidos]we need fully charged episode for these kinda discussion[/quote]
where is cbear when you need him
where is cbear when you need him
djcperhaps europeans are a nicer, kinder people than americans, then. in the five years i have played this game, i can not think of a single person/team who was honorable and forthright in their scheduling desires. perhaps you were lucky to not encounter people who will refuse to play on any server where they have >50 ping, or people who will refuse to play at 10:30 for some reason but then scrim from 9:30 11:30 with their full starting lineup, or people who ping well to every server but know that your team is all east coast so they demand colorado only, etcetcetc. americans would abuse the fuck outta wildcards.
It's pretty simple. Both teams need to agree on the server. If not, they can ask for a default NA ETF2L server. If you are 15 minutes late and dont start the match, you get defaulted. If you cannot start your match, you can wildcard 15 minutes before the official match time. You can only use two wildcards. So when you use them up early in the season, you risk loosing matches later on if you are faced with an emergency situation. You can agree upon the match by contacting the other team and proposing a match time in your team section. If neither team schedules a match or can't reach to an agreement, and admin will schedule it for you, and you get a default matchtime.
As for the time-difference on the american continent, we face the same problems in Europe, same accounts for ping differences. Almost every exception you can think of is writen in stone.
Honestly, ETF2L has beent running for years now and has always been one of the biggest TF2 leagues in the world for 6vs6 and highlander. Sure you can argue about unlocks, which we do every season. Sure you can argue about the maps, win-rules, config, AC administration, etc. But the match system is just perfect in my eyes. I am simply proud of playing in this league, for it's being run by enthousiastic players that care about the community.
[quote=djc]perhaps europeans are a nicer, kinder people than americans, then. in the five years i have played this game, i can not think of a single person/team who was honorable and forthright in their scheduling desires. perhaps you were lucky to not encounter people who will refuse to play on any server where they have >50 ping, or people who will refuse to play at 10:30 for some reason but then scrim from 9:30 11:30 with their full starting lineup, or people who ping well to every server but know that your team is all east coast so they demand colorado only, etcetcetc. americans would abuse the fuck outta wildcards.[/quote]
It's pretty simple. Both teams need to agree on the server. If not, they can ask for a default NA ETF2L server. If you are 15 minutes late and dont start the match, you get defaulted. If you cannot start your match, you can wildcard 15 minutes before the official match time. You can only use two wildcards. So when you use them up early in the season, you risk loosing matches later on if you are faced with an emergency situation. You can agree upon the match by contacting the other team and proposing a match time in your team section. If neither team schedules a match or can't reach to an agreement, and admin will schedule it for you, and you get a default matchtime.
As for the time-difference on the american continent, we face the same problems in Europe, same accounts for ping differences. Almost every exception you can think of is writen in stone.
Honestly, ETF2L has beent running for years now and has always been one of the biggest TF2 leagues in the world for 6vs6 and highlander. Sure you can argue about unlocks, which we do every season. Sure you can argue about the maps, win-rules, config, AC administration, etc. But the match system is just perfect in my eyes. I am simply proud of playing in this league, for it's being run by enthousiastic players that care about the community.
It's pretty simple. Both teams need to agree on the server. If not, they can ask for a default NA ETF2L server. If you are 15 minutes late and dont start the match, you get defaulted. If you cannot start your match, you can wildcard 15 minutes before the official match time. You can only use two wildcards. So when you use them up early in the season, you risk loosing matches later on if you are faced with an emergency situation. You can agree upon the match by contacting the other team and proposing a match time in your team section. If neither team schedules a match or can't reach to an agreement, and admin will schedule it for you, and you get a default matchtime.
As for the time-difference on the american continent, we face the same problems in Europe, same accounts for ping differences. Almost every exception you can think of is writen in stone.
Honestly, ETF2L has beent running for years now and has always been one of the biggest TF2 leagues in the world for 6vs6 and highlander. Sure you can argue about unlocks, which we do every season. Sure you can argue about the maps, win-rules, config, AC administration, etc. But the match system is just perfect in my eyes. I am simply proud of playing in this league, for it's being run by enthousiastic players that care about the community.
I do however agree totally with Admirable's post earlier.. My wet dream would be a merge of TF.TV and ETF2L on one massive platform. That would definatly be something that would change TF2 in a big way. The best league system (matchmmaking, ruleset and community administration) combined with the best and largest TF2 media content in the world. All community driven.
I do however agree totally with Admirable's post earlier.. My wet dream would be a merge of TF.TV and ETF2L on one massive platform. That would definatly be something that would change TF2 in a big way. The best league system (matchmmaking, ruleset and community administration) combined with the best and largest TF2 media content in the world. All community driven.
After the events of the last few days, and the new league that has been created by Nahanni and CEVO, ETF2L has decided to withdraw it's NA Division, in order for the NA community to fully commit to CEVO and make it as big as of a success as possible. We're a community based league, and the TF2 community is our #1 priority, splitting it up would do more harm than good.
I've heard a few people mention how they didn't like ETF2L instantly coming over to NA 'when it doesn't involve them' and trying to 'steal all the playerbase'. I'd just like to remind everyone that ETF2L is a non-profit community run league, and the reason I offered it to the NA community is because you were not happy with ESEA, and I personally saw ETF2L as the best alternative for you at the time. I didn't come over to try and take all of your money and make me rich.
CEVO working with Nahanni is a great oppotunity as a replacement for ESEA, and I urge you all to give it the support it deserves in order to make it great.
Cheers!
After the events of the last few days, and the new league that has been created by Nahanni and CEVO, ETF2L has decided to withdraw it's NA Division, in order for the NA community to fully commit to CEVO and make it as big as of a success as possible. We're a community based league, and the TF2 community is our #1 priority, splitting it up would do more harm than good.
I've heard a few people mention how they didn't like ETF2L instantly coming over to NA 'when it doesn't involve them' and trying to 'steal all the playerbase'. I'd just like to remind everyone that ETF2L is a non-profit community run league, and the reason I offered it to the NA community is because you were not happy with ESEA, and I personally saw ETF2L as the best alternative for you at the time. I didn't come over to try and take all of your money and make me rich.
CEVO working with Nahanni is a great oppotunity as a replacement for ESEA, and I urge you all to give it the support it deserves in order to make it great.
Cheers!
I've heard a few people mention how they didn't like ETF2L instantly coming over to NA 'when it doesn't involve them' and trying to 'steal all the playerbase'. I'd just like to remind everyone that ETF2L is a non-profit community run league, and the reason I offered it to the NA community is because you were not happy with ESEA, and I personally saw ETF2L as the best alternative for you at the time. I didn't come over to try and take all of your money and make me rich.
CEVO working with Nahanni is a great oppotunity as a replacement for ESEA, and I urge you all to give it the support it deserves in order to make it great.
Cheers!
Shame it would have been nice to at least try and unify the rules
Shame it would have been nice to at least try and unify the rules
PermzillaAfter the events of the last few days, and the new league that has been created by Nahanni and CEVO, ETF2L has decided to withdraw it's NA Division, in order for the NA community to fully commit to CEVO and make it as big as of a success as possible. We're a community based league, and the TF2 community is our #1 priority, splitting it up would do more harm than good.
I've heard a few people mention how they didn't like ETF2L instantly coming over to NA 'when it doesn't involve them' and trying to 'steal all the playerbase'. I'd just like to remind everyone that ETF2L is a non-profit community run league, and the reason I offered it to the NA community is because you were not happy with ESEA, and I personally saw ETF2L as the best alternative for you at the time. I didn't come over to try and take all of your money and make me rich.
CEVO working with Nahanni is a great oppotunity as a replacement for ESEA, and I urge you all to give it the support it deserves in order to make it great.
Cheers!
godspeed and good luck
[quote=Permzilla]After the events of the last few days, and the new league that has been created by Nahanni and CEVO, ETF2L has decided to withdraw it's NA Division, in order for the NA community to fully commit to CEVO and make it as big as of a success as possible. We're a community based league, and the TF2 community is our #1 priority, splitting it up would do more harm than good.
I've heard a few people mention how they didn't like ETF2L instantly coming over to NA 'when it doesn't involve them' and trying to 'steal all the playerbase'. I'd just like to remind everyone that ETF2L is a non-profit community run league, and the reason I offered it to the NA community is because you were not happy with ESEA, and I personally saw ETF2L as the best alternative for you at the time. I didn't come over to try and take all of your money and make me rich.
CEVO working with Nahanni is a great oppotunity as a replacement for ESEA, and I urge you all to give it the support it deserves in order to make it great.
Cheers![/quote]
godspeed and good luck
I've heard a few people mention how they didn't like ETF2L instantly coming over to NA 'when it doesn't involve them' and trying to 'steal all the playerbase'. I'd just like to remind everyone that ETF2L is a non-profit community run league, and the reason I offered it to the NA community is because you were not happy with ESEA, and I personally saw ETF2L as the best alternative for you at the time. I didn't come over to try and take all of your money and make me rich.
CEVO working with Nahanni is a great oppotunity as a replacement for ESEA, and I urge you all to give it the support it deserves in order to make it great.
Cheers![/quote]
godspeed and good luck
MastShame it would have been nice to at least try and unify the rules
Mhhh, yeah I would open a NA division just to test waters and see how it would go, but it would still require a lot of work put into it and new admins coming in, I understand this decision, but I hope someday we can run both scenes under one unified ruleset
[quote=Mast]Shame it would have been nice to at least try and unify the rules[/quote]
Mhhh, yeah I would open a NA division just to test waters and see how it would go, but it would still require a lot of work put into it and new admins coming in, I understand this decision, but I hope someday we can run both scenes under one unified ruleset
Mhhh, yeah I would open a NA division just to test waters and see how it would go, but it would still require a lot of work put into it and new admins coming in, I understand this decision, but I hope someday we can run both scenes under one unified ruleset
Thank you, Perm, your interest has seemed genuine throughout this ordeal. The unification of EU and US is something that would be amazing in the future, but what you said is right, now isn't the time for something like that. The NA community is in a vacuum right now, and the CEVO league would put our feet back on the ground, at least for the time being.
Thank you, Perm, your interest has seemed genuine throughout this ordeal. The unification of EU and US is something that would be amazing in the future, but what you said is right, now isn't the time for something like that. The NA community is in a vacuum right now, and the CEVO league would put our feet back on the ground, at least for the time being.
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